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Quote Originally Posted by thesoulpurpose:
my earlier post has nothing to do with this fight in particular as this one will be close and abraham has had a lot of where and tear on his body through out the years, I will not be this one, but I do slighly favor arthur,, the OVER even though it's -400, looks like the best bet on this fight So you go on here and blast some guy for leaning Stieglitz and tell him he's a lose and crazy, bla bla bla, and you come on with the over being the best bet. The result serves you right for being such a prick. Just thought I'd visit this forum for the first time in some time and this is the childish crap I have to look at. Guess that's why |
miguel31 | 42 |
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Quote Originally Posted by HumanCalculator: Lol the ignorance in this thread is ridiculous. Go put on your affliction t shirt, drink an energy drink and whack off to mma fighters rolling around in underwear. |
dragonrickjs | 18 |
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Quote Originally Posted by walktheline: you deserved that huge payout walk, sorry about the dark side of boxing rearing it's ugly head. Hard for me not to think promoter Top Rank's hands aren't dirty in this. Judges can'tbe that incompetent. Abril's style big time boring, but big time effective.!
In short, I don't see Rios looking good in this fight under any circumstance outside of an early steamrolling I've bet Abril quite large, and he'll either get rushed out early or completely dominate and expose Rios's technical flaws. I'm expecting the latter. |
Hollywoodturf | 33 |
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[Quote: Originally Posted by Hollywoodturf] After 6r rounds the old man is warmed up and Dawson is in trouble. If this was an old 15 round death match, Hopkins easy win. We never got past 2 rounds, Watch Hopkins late. Good luck B hop. Best fighter ever...................... [/Qluote] If anything, it will be just the opposite. Your not taking Hops age enough into account.His good fortune of catching fighters at the right time / weight is over. He's catching Chad at prime time with his head screwed on perfectly. Mad props to Hops if he's able to fgo all 12 but I doubt it. It will be interesting to see how he behaves after 3-4 rounds when he realizes he can't win.against the typically slow starting Dawson. Chad in 9.
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Hollywoodturf | 33 |
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Thanks for the analysis Redlad, I know you know your stuff from just reading a few weeks worth. I suppose Pacal doesn't have that constant punching style that Calzaghe used to force this semi scam artist to fake a low blow and take a breather later in the fight. I think that if almost 46 year old Hopkins ever felt himself get overwhelmed during the fight, he would turn it dirty fast and find a way out, likely faking he was fouled and couldn't continue like it almost appeeared he was going to do against Roy Jones. That fight and Hopkins antics were disgraceful from my view ringside. Hop hit Roy behind the head pretty good , so Roy just literally tapped him back of the head to retaliate and the drama show ensued and they charged PPV for that crap which sends borderline boxing fans running. I hope Pascal wins emphatically. |
Redlad | 10 |
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Quote Originally Posted by Redlad:
That was a little easier then I expected as Abraham gave up half way through the fight. Froch's jab was superb as I did envision. It enabled him to control the ring & keep the proper distance the whole fight. I was very impressed by his performance today. Let's get a little greedy & press with Marquez inside the distance +115 for 2 Units in the late HBO bout. Very impressive night Redlad, that was some great capping. I imagine you had slight pause when Marquez was on the canvas, I thought he was a bit hurt but weathered that beautifully only to be dominating by rounds end. Top 20 of all time in my book also. Smoothest combo puncher on the planet. Agreed, Paq too big, fast at this point. Top Rank is starting to make me a bit sick making sure they have all advantages, money. Paq will only fight JMM at 147, where I don't think he'd hurt himself to get to 140. |
Redlad | 14 |
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Quote Originally Posted by Redlad:
The object of any boxing match is to win by points or KO. In this bout, it seems to me, you have one fighter that can only win by KO. That is Abraham. The other fighter can win by KO or decision by any stretch of the imagination. So, Froch has 2 ways to win, while Abraham one. How can you lay 8-5 on the one dimensional boxer when they are very close in class & ability? I Can't! Froch is an underrated boxer who understands distance & the power of a good stiff jab to dictate & control that distance. Abraham will likely give away the 1st 7 or 8 rounds by playing mostly defense & fighting for 40 seconds of each early round. He seems to have made a habit of this questionable strategy. Not a great way to impress the neutral judges IMO. Abraham also has the mindset that he can end the fight at any time, with one big punch. He can, but against world class opponents, this may not be the best plan of action, even if it has worked in the past against inferior opposition. Abraham is always dangerous late, but by that time he may be so far behind on the scorecards that he might over-commit to his power punches & leave himself open to a counter shot. Bottom line...... Abraham is not a busy enough fighter to warrant him being such a substantial favorite against the crafty Froch. I made Froch a small favorite when the fight was 1st announced. Nothing has happened since that time to make me change my mind. I'll take the busier & smarter boxer & hope to avoid a late hail Mary bomb. GLTU!! Carl Froch +150 5 Units One argument against this is the fact that before AA put JT to sleep in the 12th, he had overtaken him on the cards...he's no dummy. Is Froch's defense that much better than Miranda's who AA destroyed in 4??? Yea, so it will take AA a few more rounds to stop him. |
Redlad | 14 |
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Quote Originally Posted by Jerseyboy89:
Pacquiao is one dimensional and his style only suits human punching bags with no defense. Mayweather will totally outclass him without losing a round. Yea JerseyShore, well if that's so true and it's an easy fight for Floyd, why the fukk would he not take it and make the 40 mill he's gonna big time need for all his legal bills. You don't think Roach would study the shit out of that style, which simply doesn't not work as well against a southpaw. You think it's some coincidence that both Judah and particularly Corley stunned him. Floyd isn't the same as when he took out Corrales or even Castillo 2. He's been fighting soft opponents for years. I'll go with Pacq speed stamina power |
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Quote Originally Posted by Mack05: Yes, please indulge us. Of the 8 or so books I use betting over 9.5 would have lost as it's clearly over 9 and half way thru the 10th round so any stoppage before the 1:30 mark in round 10 is a loser. I want to know about some books that pay that as a winner.
Walk the books pay different here. The rules must be different here. I will post them later. either way it should have gone well over |
Mack05 | 13 |
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Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:
1) Derek Chisora v Sam Sexton over 9.5 @evens. This will be my biggest play of the evening and I feel quite confident about. These two are very evenly matched and temptation is to play the underdog Sexton. These two will never be world class but both are in good shape and I don't see a war here at all. I am very confident this won't warm up until the second half of the fight. I don't believe either guy has enormous power and I think this could go very close to the full 12 rounds. Really like the over her guys. Will put a small saver on Chisora to win between rounds 10-12 @ +800. It's amazing how close some of these go so cover yourself with the big price. 2) Alexander Frenkel to KO Enzo Macrenelli @ +160. I have seen this a few times. Young, hungry, relatively untested fighter is meant to lose to new improved Enzo, but it's Enzo that ends up on his ass. I don't care how many trainers you use, when your punch resistance is gone it's gone. Mac can't take a punch and Frenkel can bang. Ok we know nothing about Frenkel and he could be a bum, but I can't resist these odds on a guy that can bang against Enzo Mac's fragile chin. You didn't mention it, but I'm sure your well aware these guys have met before(Chisora TKO6) and neither has ever seen the ninth round.... I like your Alvarez inside or similar props. Watched lots of footage of Frenkel and wasn't blown away. Macca could crunch him. |
Mack05 | 13 |
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Quote Originally Posted by nc1capper: Not digging Mosley's age, love his trainer, much better chance with than with his father. Can't offer too much on this to be honest. If Floyd couldn't stop aging small Marquez, I don't see him stopping bigger, iron chinned Shane so FMJ by dec seems most logical pick. If I can offer anything more from my perch here in Vegas, will do..
nice no play on that one punchmaster,,who do you like in the mayweathet-mosley bout ? do you see mosley having much more than a snowball's chance, anxious to hear your opines on this possible mismatch |
nc1capper | 11 |
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Quote Originally Posted by nc1capper: Alrighty nc1capper, no hassle, no ruckus. When I saw the plodding Pavlik walking to the ring at 178, tried to slam down on matador Martinez , too late, but I didn't dare put a penny down on Pavlik with that style matchup because I wanted to remain amongst the few that George Bernard was taking about...
no hassle punchmaster, I am from NC for certain, 54 year year middle class white guy, not trying to cause any racial ruckus here, just stating that it seems to me pavlik has been a little overblown as the great white hope and hasnt really delivered as many had expected, again , not trying to hate , just some lively chat here in the covers forum , excellent point on your behalf on taylor as I would agree way overhyped and he to failed to deliver, be well Mr PunchMaster , and always remember, "In gambling the many must lose in order that the few may win"~~~George Bernard Shaw~~~ |
nc1capper | 11 |
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Quote Originally Posted by nc1capper: No doubt Pavlik lost that fight, hated that style matchup when it was announced. Sure, Pavlik has his limitations but still became MW champ of the world with them and his limited small town trainer. Taylor 1 was his peak fight, snappy jab and all. Did you really have to pull the freakin race card and mention skin color??? Let me guess, your a North Carolina Negro? I can confidently say Jermain Taylor was overrated for barely scraping by a weight drained Hopkins, whose body was dying to get to LHW and I guess Pavlik proved that by ruining Taylor..... and I don't need to look for some bullshite skin color angle.
cat has been over rated because he is white thru out his career, in my humble opinion, dont hate prospect punchmaster, it's just one guys thoughts--he did LOSE the fight tho, ? correct |
nc1capper | 11 |
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Quote Originally Posted by nc1capper:
this guy has never shown me a single thing, lets send him off to the scrap heap -- adios pavlik,,see ya on the undercard Great post Einstein, coming off the canvas to win the middleweight championship of the world, never shown nothing. After 8 rounds he was ahead on the cards last night, 4 rounds apiece but he had the legit knockdown. Martinez was always a horrible style for him, and he's exceptional. So let us all know your amazing accomplishment that tops being middleweight champion.. l |
nc1capper | 11 |
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Quote Originally Posted by McNulty:
Are you kidding? This is a popularity contest...for you. Do the community a favor and bounce. Posters like you are why this site has gone to shit. I'm the best blah blarg. If I had more time I'd look at your past picks and probably see a bunch of losers.
Are you kidding, with all due respect McNulty, you suck. Mack has been on here giving out winners consistently left and right, you do the community a favor and boucne. I like reading winning cappers writeups. |
Mack05 | 44 |
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Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:
Too bad Pavlik is no Sergio Martinez, maybe more power but, stamina, speed, agility, defense, counter punching.. angles.. shall I keep going? :-) Pavlik can use all the excuses he wants, yes bronchitis against Hopkins, and a staph infection for so many months. Yet suddenly clear up right after Williams and Martinez fight an epic fight? If he can barely close his hand now.. he's getting in the ring Dec 19th? That's the reason to choose a tomato can on a PPV fight? At least be realistic, this fight should NEVER be fought on PPV, Williams/ Martinez Maybe.. but this fight? It's a slap in the fans face. Why doesn't Pavlik give the real reason why he doesn't fight... It's called alcohol drugs .. and a bad case of "I got Rich tool fast and just don't give a crap anymore" :-) Hey NuttyRich, do you have confirmation/proof that Pavlik has alcohol/drug problems, have you hung out with him? You know how fast internet rumors spread. If you got proof, I'm open to it. Did I mention anything about the fight should be on PPV with your be realistic comment? That's a whole separate issue and Pavlik didn't ask for it to be on PPV- that's Bob Arums doing. HBO or other major network is not going to take a Pavlik-Espino bout for obvious reasons. The thing I like about Arum is if he goes to the networks and they don't want to do business, he says the heck with it and comes us with his own PPV show for the diehards who want to watch. No once is forcing anyone to buy anything but Arum has put together some great cards in Mexico that the major networks didn't want anything to do with and I was glad to fork over the $24.95..
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nuttyrich | 24 |
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Quote Originally Posted by nc1capper:
punchmaster, nutty is right man, the timing is awful , I mean you can go or you cant go, how can you only go against a tomato can ,,wtf Because once he cancelled the Williams fight again, the sanctioning body (WBC?) started putting pressure on him to defend his belt or give up the title. If his hand gets through the Espino fight, he'll have no problem fighting Williams |
nuttyrich | 24 |
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I've had a STAPH infection and they are no joke, and can easily kill you if you don't keep them in check. Perfectly healthy college athletes have been killed by staph. Pav can't completely close his hand to this day and I really don't think he's afraid of Williams, his camp is just a little wiser not to put him in against a top fighter at less than 100%. Going up 2 weight classes against Hop with bronchitis was not a good idea and he's not going to make the same mistake twice. Williams showed he can be hurt by a solid 154-160 pounder punch and I thought he took too many, flush shots from the awesome Martinez, lucky for Paul, there was no time left when he was hurt in round 1. What a chin on Williams, but it may have been cracked a bit. When Pav catches him with a hard straight right, it will get interesting. |
nuttyrich | 24 |
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Quote Originally Posted by walktheline: Looking at Minto's gut at the weigh-in, I find the speed advantage a bit funny- Minto can't run for too long- should be fun..
Minto and Yankello plan to use their speed advantage and make Chris chase Minto around. Minto has never been stopped. He has been hurt and knocked down but has loads of heart and a decent chin. I expect Minto to do VERY well if he can make it through the first three rounds. |
EricLinny | 14 |
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Good luck on Mitchell- I see that as a little risky with say a looping temple or high on the head shot from Prescott as a possibility early....Mitchell has moved up to 135, probably needed to. Thought I heard Prescott was down in Miami training with top Cubans Gamboa, Rigondeaux.. Lot of rumblings from some pretty good cappers that rate Salita poorly and Khan should find a groove to get him out 6-8 rounds... |
Mack05 | 4 |
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