A permit to carry a concealed weapon

Was wondering since most of the right wingers whine and moan about democrats trying to take away our firearms yet its against our the interpretation of the Constitutional to ban an entire group of firearms as we've seen in various federal court rulings and Supreme Court rulings such as DC v. Heller and Chicago v. McDonald which applied it to the 50 states.

But my question is how many of you guys actually own a firearm?  I'm curious and if so in the state you live in do you have a permit to carry a concealed firearm. There's obviously a handful of states that allow you to open carry and don't even require a permit to carry concealed but in the states that do I'm wondering if you do have one?

And if you think that CCW laws really would have an effect on crime rates. In John Lott's book: More Guns, Less Crime he talks about this and attempts to prove a causation between the two.

Obviously there's been vast literature pointing the flaws in this man's research and discrediting his entire book if you do a quick google search about the man. But he does raise a few interesting points except he failed to do a sufficient, adequate and exemplary amount of research proving his thesis.

I own a handgun but I do not have a permit to carry a concealed firearm as I don't see it as a necessity with where I live.

But I'd like to hear from you all your perspectives with all polarizing political views aside, how you view the importance or restriction of CCW laws in your state and community?

i've never purchased a firearm.  one of my partners brought one to the office so i guess i have an office firearm.  but we keep it locked ion the safe becauise we know that obama is going to come by any day now and try to take it away.

none of us have a concealed permit firearm but our state requires one.  i have no desire to carry that gun anywhere.

on a related note, i've been seeing so many cases lately of road rage turning into shots fired.  gun people like to say that if someone wants to kill another person, they'll figure out how to do it but i think that ignores the majority of problematic situations where idiots get mad and impulsive and the fact that they have a gun handy escalates things significantly where if they just would fuckijn relax for 5 minutes and didn't have a gun handy, nothing bad would happen.  but again, we have prions to fill and the proliferation of guns will do two things- make the gun manufacturers much richer and fill up those spots in prisons. 

Interesting. Yeah I'd hope at least someone in your firm has one just to be safe. But I enjoy target shooting and I definitely feel that if God forbid something did happen at my home I would have the ability to defend my self.

There are some interesting laws though as to when you can use your firearm in public if you have a ccw permit or even a firearm in the home. For instance in some states you can only protect your life with a weapon not property. So if someone breaks in to your house to steal your TV and is unarmed and you shoot him, you're going to be in some serious trouble depending on the state obviously.

Yeah I just linked a video in the GD last week about a road rage incident:   https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=73b_1364917659

Watch that video and imagine if the dude had a firearm.....

Another thing that doesn't make much sense to me is that people often think that oh well if you had have a ccw permit you could have stopped different mass shootings over the years...Absolutely NOT! 

Police officers have hours, days, months, years of training firing a  handgun and various other rifles but particularly a handgun and a high majority of them never take out their firearm out of the holster during their tenure..Even them have  great trouble reacting and firing shots when needed

So to say that an ordinary citizen could have prevented attacks involving a criminal using a firearm is ludicrous..

yeah, i've seen reports of many police shootings. these are allegedly highly trained people with guns.  it is very rare to see one where the police hit their target without a lot of stray hosts.  most of the time, they are firing a shitload of shots all over the place and they go anywhewre and everywhere.  it's crazy.  i can;t imagine what would happen if teachers or the average moron gave it a shot to stop these shootings in crowded places.  but that's reality, a place intellectually foreign to rightwingers.  it's easier to go into foxnews mode, turn the brain off and just assume firing your gun is like it looks on tv. 

Yup exactly.. You think about all the police shootings over the years...

They all involve like anywhere from 50 to over 100 rounds fired at very few targets....

Honestly you can attribute that to a lot of things such as, poor training, very little real live firearm scenarios through their tenures, nervousness, but what I find to be the most realistic is, the semi-automatic pistols they're using.

I wonder what would happen if there were no such thing as a semi-automatic pistol and all this world had were revolvers..??

Imagine that, having to make every bullet count. Now that would be something. But instead you have these police officers carrying around 9mm glock 17s holding about 17 rounds and 1 in the chamber......Its honestly a friggin joke,.

if you watch the walking dead, these scrubs are firing handguns and hitting the targets in the heads every time from 20, 30 50+ yards away.  that's how it works in rightwingland.  in the real world, where the rest of us live, this is how this is how the most trained do it.

2 suspects, 137 shots, 36 on target. 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/12/13_cleveland_police_officers_w.html

thesde are "highly trained" cops with plenty of time to take their shots. 

but i'm sure a teacher who is grading a spelling test one second and then facing some crazed shooter armed to the teeth and kids running around in all directions the next second would get the job done.

137 rounds!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!? on 2 targets?!?!?!?!?!

Wow... Jesus christ.........

"but i'm sure a teacher who is grading a spelling test one second and then facing some crazed shooter armed to the teeth and kids running around in all directions the next second would get the job done."

Exactly...... I can't even fathom the collateral damage....

CCW permit laws average around 10-15 hour training courses..... With the requirement to renew the permit every 5 years....

That's an absolute joke...   If police officers who have hundreds of hours of training can't get the job done how in God's name could an individual who completed 12 hours at the shooting range possibly be capable of subduing a criminal target in a real life scenario...It's not logical to think otherwise...

The idea is that if you don't think you could be proficient with a gun then you don't apply for the permit or seek to carry.

I'm sure that the instructor and the written part of the test weed out the pure idiots and those they don't deem fit to pass the test.

Also, just because one decides to be a criminal doesn't mean they will be proficient with a weapon either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AA_dgRdDhk

I never said that ordinary citizens never have the ability but it is drastically harder especially in certain situations.......

In your isolated case in that video yeah.... he was able to subdue the individual.

As clubdirt noted typical right wingers like you believe that because that guy was able to effectively take out a bad guy because of his ccw permit.......you can apply that to every situation and every individual....

Also, it seems like you nothing about ccw laws

 "I'm sure that the instructor and the written part of the test weed out the pure idiots and those they don't deem fit to pass the test."....

There are roughly 40 shall issue ccw permit states.... meaning more than 2/3 of the country issues concealed firearms licensees. Instructors don't weed out anyone.......

You must have never seen an example of the writing portion.........

Anyone that fails the writing portion must be brain dead like you!

Aaron Burr didn't have a permit, and if it was good enough for him, it's good enough for all of you.

I just think that instructors can and will weed out the obvious ones that can't be proficient with a gun.

Having shot several guns before, ( rifles and pistols) I have seen people that are normally proficient with a target have bad days where they can't hit shlt due to fundamentals and sight picture or technique hang ups.

You can't call for laws that only apply to text book arranged scenarios. Your life may end up in the hands of someone that can hold a 14 inch group or you may get lucky and have your life in the hands of someone that can hold a 5 inch group.

Its easy for you to flap your pie-whole when you likely have never had to look down the business end of a pistol. Much less been through that and been proned out and pistol whipped.

so... you are advocating that an instructor dictates whether or not you have 2nd ammendment rights? 

Over centuries, there is worldwide trend toward more gun regulations.  Before 1800s, there is more gun freedom in the United States.

Obviously there's been vast literature pointing the flaws in this man's research and discrediting his entire book 

To be clear, nobody, anywhere, ever "discredited" John Lott's book or research.

I'd also add that every prediction by the gun grabbing left - "blood in the streets; it will be like the OK Corral!" regarding the expansion of concealed carry have been uniformly wrong.

Are you quite sure that your second amendment rights guarantee the right to conceal a weapon?

I've given you the advice to think before you post before! Perhaps you should follow that advice.

Not only are you naive but you know absolutely nothing about gun laws, ccw laws, or John Lott's book..........

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_rn=8&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=m0xFVw63KoRVuJLwrGeIKQ&cp=11&gs_id=7b&xhr=t&q=john+lott+discredited&es_nrs=true&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=john+lott+d&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44770516,d.dmg&fp=248c264d06671336&biw=1920&bih=996

Robert Spitzer's book: https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Gun-Control-5th/dp/1594519870

pages 69-73.....

"The looming problem with Lott's analysis is that many factors account for fluctuations in crime rates, including poverty,  drug use, gang activities, numbers and practice of police, and unemployment....."

"This problem was illustrated when two researchers, Dan A. Black and Daniel S. Nagin, analyzed Lott's data and concluded that there was no "statistically significant evidence that right to carry laws have an impact on any of the crime rates"

Both quotes taken directly from Spitzer's book..........

In fact Spitzer goes on to note the highly publicized scandal where look made up a stat referring to 98% of the the time that people use guns defensively, they merely have to brandish a weapon to break off an attack...

An in 2003 Lott critics discovered that a person named "Mary Rosh" who wrote frequent, highly praiseworthy INTERNET comments about Lott, his written work and his teaching during previous three years, was in fact Lott himself (although he claimed it was actually his teenage son's doing.) The last name "Rosh was derived from the first two letters of the names of two of his four sons (Roger and Sherwin)

There's so much more.. 14, just shut up!

The right to "keep" (keep a firearm in your home) and bear (carry a firearm) arms.

NO shlt sherlock!

What does that have to do with the ccw permit?

Did I ever mention anything to do with an instructor denying a person's right to "CARRY" a firearm?

I do not own a firearm but strongly support an individual's right to do so

Not only are you naive but you know absolutely nothing about gun laws, ccw laws, or John Lott's book...

"The looming problem with Lott's analysis is that many factors account for fluctuations in crime rates, including poverty,  drug use, gang activities, numbers and practice of police, and unemployment....."

"This problem was illustrated when two researchers, Dan A. Black and Daniel S. Nagin, analyzed Lott's data and concluded that there was no "statistically significant evidence that right to carry laws have an impact on any of the crime rates"

Not only are you naive but you know absolutely nothing about gun laws, ccw laws, or John Lott's book..