Why do 'red states' have more poverty?

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Smaller government austerity policies in red states have created macroeconomic societies with high poverty and low education rates. Low-paying jobs and lack of health care also dominate states that have implemented the smaller government theories of conservative ideology.

In Texas, for example, decades of Republican control, from the governor’s office down to state and local legislatures, the Tea Party ideological model is in place. And it has the highest poverty rate of “any large industrial state,” according to Texas Politics data.

The data showed similar high poverty rate numbers for other red states, including Mississippi, Louisiana, Kentucky, North Carolina, and Tennessee.

Lack of health care is also a bigger problem in states following the conservative Republican ideological view of less funding for government assistance programs.

Florida Gov. Rick Scott recently acknowledged the serious economic problems associated with having more than 21 percent of the population without health insurance. The costs for hospitals treating the uninsured is so high, Scott surrendered to pressure from Florida health care providers and accepted the Medicaid expansion of the Affordable Care Act, also called Obamacare.

Hunger is also a bigger problem among states where Republicans have had their way with local budgets. And while southern red states do not have a lock on growing US poverty rates, they still lead with the worse numbers. More than 24 percent of the people in Mississippi suffer from food deficiencies, with Alabama coming in second at nearly 23 percent.


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Posted: 2/26/2013 11:10:01 PM
somewhat of a loaded question but in reality the answer is probably pretty simple. Some on here though will not want to hear the answer.
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I have witnessed this down here in Mississippi all my life! The poor folk down here put the same ole republicans in office over and over,yet they blame democrats, immigrants, and minorities for all of their ills. We are the poorest state in the union,but yet we have one of the highest grocery taxes! The republicans and teabaggers down here hate the federal government,but this state couldn't survive without federal dollars! The 1st department republicans down here cut is EDUCATION! Keep them dumbed down! The uneducated are the easiest to misled!
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QUOTE Originally Posted by No_Contest:

I have witnessed this down here in Mississippi all my life! The poor folk down here put the same ole republicans in office over and over,yet they blame democrats, immigrants, and minorities for all of their ills. We are the poorest state in the union,but yet we have one of the highest grocery taxes! The republicans and teabaggers down here hate the federal government,but this state couldn't survive without federal dollars! The 1st department republicans down here cut is EDUCATION! Keep them dumbed down! The uneducated are the easiest to misled!


all joking aside -- this is a sad sad state of affairs.  Compromising education should never be the answer.
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QUOTE Originally Posted by No_Contest:

I have witnessed this down here in Mississippi all my life! The poor folk down here put the same ole republicans in office over and over,yet they blame democrats, immigrants, and minorities for all of their ills. We are the poorest state in the union,but yet we have one of the highest grocery taxes! The republicans and teabaggers down here hate the federal government,but this state couldn't survive without federal dollars! The 1st department republicans down here cut is EDUCATION! Keep them dumbed down! The uneducated are the easiest to misled!


All due respect. IMO the problem with education is not a financial one. The problem I see with education is parents that don't give a f u ck about setting high goals for their kids.

How can you justify throwing good money at a hopeless situation?
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Posted: 2/27/2013 1:30:38 AM
Until we tackle our social problems you might as well get used to lackluster education stats. I don't see that happening any time soon.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 3:18:49 AM
so bowslit...  what is your perception on the reason that red states have more poverty?
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Posted: 2/27/2013 7:17:39 AM
Why do red states have lower unemployment rates and fewer budgetary problems?

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In Texas, for example, decades of Republican control, from the governor’s office down to state and local legislatures, the Tea Party ideological model is in place. And it has the highest poverty rate of “any large industrial state,” according to Texas Politics data.



California has a poverty rate of 23.5 percent, the highest of any state in the country, according to figures released this week by the United States Census Bureau.

I guess California is not an "industrial state" or something.


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New York, New Jersey, Illinois and California are the biggest population losers in America.

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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:30:27 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36:

so bowslit...  what is your perception on the reason that red states have more poverty?


Perhaps it could easily be explained as extremely poor people don't vote. Or that the lazy people hate snow.

I think this is a distraction argument because its the red states who usually have less debt.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 12:03:03 PM
Something similar was brought up during the campaign about a year ago.

I asked "By what is being brought up in the thread title does this mean these people are voting for the Republican candidates?"

No Contest mentioned these same poor people are putting the good ole boys back in office every year. Could the same be said for...

Detroit
New Orleans
Washington
Chicago
etc, etc, etc


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Posted: 2/27/2013 6:56:15 PM
Hmmm.  Why do red states have more poverty?  
Because poverty is indicated in the infographic by coloring it red, and prosperity 

North Dakota and South Dakota Both went Republican in 2012, but are illustrative of opportunities that are in that region.  The gas exploration and drilling in those states is ridiculous.  
Also, there are more Red Sates than Blue states. 

IF you want to make spurious and reaching correlation have fun with this infographic. 

http://visual.ly/get-facts-african-american-population-state
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QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117:

Hmmm.  Why do red states have more poverty?  
Because poverty is indicated in the infographic by coloring it red, and prosperity 

North Dakota and South Dakota Both went Republican in 2012, but are illustrative of opportunities that are in that region.  The gas exploration and drilling in those states is ridiculous.  
Also, there are more Red Sates than Blue states. 

IF you want to make spurious and reaching correlation have fun with this infographic. 

http://visual.ly/get-facts-african-american-population-state

Rick -- numbers are numbers. stats are stats. trends are trends. etc... You can choose to write them off as "spurious and reaching correlations" all you want but at the end of the day numbers (especially those that are repeatable year after year) do not lie. 

And I am not sure what you are trying to imply with the African American link. That link can be interpreted many ways. Some which have more support than others.

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Posted: 2/28/2013 3:47:03 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:



Perhaps it could easily be explained as extremely poor people don't vote. Or that the lazy people hate snow.

I think this is a distraction argument because its the red states who usually have less debt.


I dont get your fantasy land logic... so you attribute more poverty in red states because poor GOPs dont vote?  or wait because they hate snow?

The thread is called... Why do 'red states' have more poverty?

and I ask you that exact question... how can that possibly be in any way a distraction?  are you really that far gone into fantasy land?


Let me try this again...  why do states with GOP leadership have more poverty...  try that one...
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Posted: 2/28/2013 7:59:38 AM
Concerning poverty there is more of a corrolation between # of African Americans opposed to republican leadership.
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Posted: 2/28/2013 8:00:33 AM
There is also a correlation with average temperature being higher.

Maybe it is more difficult to work in heat so people chose not to.
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Posted: 2/28/2013 8:01:06 AM
Also a correlation in obesity.

Maybe people are too fat to work.
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Posted: 2/28/2013 8:02:38 AM
I guess you are right though. Poor people should vote Democrat since the only thing that matters to poor people is free stuff. Right?

Poor people should not have ideology.
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Posted: 2/28/2013 9:52:17 AM
Have you started work on your manifesto yet. Its the first requirement before losing it.
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Posted: 2/28/2013 10:07:42 AM
there are too many fat behind people in alabama for 23% of "us" to be suffering from food deficiencies....i'm calling horsehit on this one
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QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

Have you started work on your manifesto yet. Its the first requirement before losing it.

Not much of a writer.  
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QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117:


Not much of a writer.  

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QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36:



I dont get your fantasy land logic... so you attribute more poverty in red states because poor GOPs dont vote?  or wait because they hate snow?

The thread is called... Why do 'red states' have more poverty?

and I ask you that exact question... how can that possibly be in any way a distraction?  are you really that far gone into fantasy land?


Let me try this again...  why do states with GOP leadership have more poverty...  try that one...

*crickets*

typical bowslit... the discusion starts and he cuts-and-runs like a coward... probably too busy explaining why his OJ is innocent
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Posted: 3/1/2013 9:44:40 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by mattbrot:


Rick -- numbers are numbers. stats are stats. trends are trends. etc... You can choose to write them off as "spurious and reaching correlations" all you want but at the end of the day numbers (especially those that are repeatable year after year) do not lie. 

And I am not sure what you are trying to imply with the African American link. That link can be interpreted many ways. Some which have more support than others.


numbers don't lie?  
Numbers lie all the time.  
An example of this is the fact that there is a stronger correlation with African American numbers and poverty than there is with "red states" and poverty.  
I am not bringing this up because I am some sort of racist, but because it is a spurious correlation.  
Correlation does not imply causation.  

That's day one garbage bro. 


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