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Author: [Politics] Topic: Sometimes, chicks just need to get raped
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Posted: 8/20/2012 10:59:58 AM
we'll call those legitimate rapes. maybe that will become a new republican phrase along the lines of   "sanctity of marriage" and "family values" 

there are two gems in this short statement though.  that, and the second part.


"It seems to me, from what I understand from doctors, that's really rare," Akin replied. "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let's assume that maybe that didn't work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child."

what the darn is he talking about with the female body shutting down the illegitimate rapes?  kids, this is what happens when you don't teach science in school and when rightwingers grow up after having little to no experience with that mercurial wonder- the female body. 

he later said he misspoke about this part and then either misremembered that he misspoke about the legitimate rape part or just thinks sometimes, chicks need a good raping.  

don't you love how some rightwingers downplay the severeity of a rape but show fake outrage over the abortion as if they give any more of a darn about the fetus than they do the woman.  where do these people come from?  the closet homosexuality might make it hard to relate to women, that way, but didn't some of these people have mothers, sisters and daughters?
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Posted: 8/20/2012 11:14:57 AM

Can you point out the statement where this guy said women need to get raped?

I can't wait to read all about it.

Thanks.

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14, there's always a little hyperbole in my posts to get people to click on it although using the phrase "legitimate rape" is an instant classic that really speaks for itself. 
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Posted: 8/20/2012 11:31:58 AM

Yeah, I don't know what this guy was thinking or really what he was trying to say using that term.

There is some truth to what he tried to say regarding the pregnancy "taking" as fight or flight produces a hormone which slows the passage of the fertilized egg to the uterus.

But given that he's runnng for Senator, can't ban abortions, and can't speak a clear sentence on the issue, I think medical discussions would be best left to actual doctors.

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Posted: 8/20/2012 1:13:02 PM

Very bad soundbite.

I have never heard of a pregnancy less likely because of the act of rape. I have seen testimony that the act of rape has a lesser chance of full ejaculation which obviously reduces the amount of sperm, thus a reduction in the chances for conception.

 

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Posted: 8/20/2012 3:01:36 PM

Which doctors stated this theory, Mr Akin? I would be curious to know. Legitimate rape as a theory has been debunked thoroughly. It's doubtful that any physician would make such an unscientific assessment without peer reviewed, journal published, data.

Here's a link to the most prestigious U.S. obstetrics and gynecology journal which shows the instance of pregancies resulting from rape to be at 5%:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8765248

Unbelievably, Mr. Akin serves on the House Committee for Science,Space and Technology. Perhaps his position on that committee needs to be reevaluated, as it seems his medical understanding is, at best, at a medieval level. 

He is also a candidate for the U.S. Senate. I hope my fellow citizens in Missouri make the right decision this Fall and elect
Claire McCaskill.

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Posted: 8/20/2012 3:12:59 PM

Here's a link to the most prestigious U.S. obstetrics and gynecology journal which shows the instance of pregancies resulting from rape to be at 5%

I'm not sure what you're trying to say as that wasn't Aiken's point.

Let me clarify:

From the CDC:

Results—In 2008, an estimated 6,578,000 pregnancies resulted in 4,248,000 live births, 1,212,000 induced abortions, and 1,118,000 fetal losses.

32,000 = 0.004% of pregnancies


 

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Which doctors stated this theory, Mr Akin? I would be curious to know. Legitimate rape as a theory has been debunked thoroughly. It's doubtful that any physician would make such an unscientific assessment without peer reviewed, journal published, data.

You are either purposely misrepresenting this or not understanding the issue.

Here is Web MD regarding stress and pregnancy:

Alpha-amylase is secreted when the nervous system produces compounds known as catecholamines in response to the "fight or flight" stress reactions.

Buck Louis says there is early evidence that catecholamines released in response to this type of stress reduce blood flow, which slows the passage of the fertilized egg to the uterus.

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Posted: 8/20/2012 3:17:49 PM

It looks like Aiken is going to step aside either tonight or tomorrow.

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Posted: 8/20/2012 3:30:19 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

14, there's always a little hyperbole in my posts to get people to click on it although using the phrase "legitimate rape" is an instant classic that really speaks for itself. 


Its ironic that he doenst under the hyperbole considering his threads...

he just went bezerk spamming up this thread with cut/paste BS as soo as you said... "sanctity of marriage" and "family values" ...
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Posted: 8/20/2012 3:35:34 PM

Wow, you're right.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/republican-source-akin-moving-to-withdraw

Although those in his campaign say he's staying. John Ashcroft to the rescue perhaps?

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Posted: 8/20/2012 4:37:25 PM
right on cue, i get an email from some democrat calling this guy out for being crazy (which is fine) but then telling me how we have to stop this craziness and i need to donate to her campaign.  she's 4 states away from missouri.  if i wanted to donate to a candidate in response to this dumbass (i don't), why would i give this lady money as opposed to the person running against akin. 

politicians with their hands out.   
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Posted: 8/20/2012 4:40:42 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

Wow, you're right.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/republican-source-akin-moving-to-withdraw

Although those in his campaign say he's staying. John Ashcroft to the rescue perhaps?



what an fool.  you get elected to congress, you're set for life, do whatever the hell you want, and you never have to work again and this guy blows it up. 
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Posted: 8/20/2012 4:59:43 PM
And republican women will continue to blindly vote for guys like Akin. I think Akin has personally been close to a rape situation like this, to have no sympathy for a raped woman or girl. Or maybe he is one of those men that feel their seed(sperm) trumps all.
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Posted: 8/20/2012 5:20:34 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

Here's a link to the most prestigious U.S. obstetrics and gynecology journal which shows the instance of pregancies resulting from rape to be at 5%

I'm not sure what you're trying to say as that wasn't Aiken's point.

Let me clarify:

From the CDC:

Results—In 2008, an estimated 6,578,000 pregnancies resulted in 4,248,000 live births, 1,212,000 induced abortions, and 1,118,000 fetal losses.

32,000 = 0.004% of pregnancies


 



First, I was addressing Akin's comments, not yours 14daroad. In case you didn't realize that in your haste to respond.
There is no such thing as "legitimate rape" medically or morally speaking. That is simply not up for debate with any civilized individual.

Second, 
Here's what Akin had to say:
In response to a question on whether he supports abortion in cases of rape:

"It seems to me first of all from what I understand from doctors that's really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down"


You really need to reassess what Akin said. What exactly am I misrepresenting or not understanding? Akin was talking about his belief that pregnancies are rare following rape. In fact, 5% of all rapes result in pregnancy. This is in contrast to a 2.5% rate of pregnancy involving consensual sex. So, in actuality, rape results in a greater % of pregnancy than consensual sex. Perhaps if you read the article(which you obviously didn't), you would have understood the point being made.

His commentary is not about all U.S. pregnancies, as you have myopically interpreted. The CDC numbers you present are not pertinent to the discussion of his comments.

To me, he really has neither a legitimate medical nor any moral point to his musings. Hence, why he has been subjected to the outright backlash from the medical community and most politicians, regardless of party affiliation.


As to your WebMD source, that is an ongoing area of debate, there are no conclusive studies to determine the effects of certain hormones on pregnancy. Dr. Louis is one of many with opinions in that arena. His word is not the be all end all, though it may support your opinions.

By the way, are you an M.D.?


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Posted: 8/20/2012 5:29:32 PM

I have no comment in regards to the medical side of possible pregnancy from a rape.

I dated a girl a long time ago that said she was the product of a rape. She turned out to be pretty cool and I'm happy her mother didn't think about aborting her.

I also think Kobe Bryant has a pretty good idea of the difference between legitimate rape and illigitimate rape. Not all women are honest about the issue. I hate the Lakers with a passion, but believe the girl made up the accusations of rape.

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Posted: 8/20/2012 5:36:41 PM
bowls, there is no legitimate rape.  it just doesn't exist (outside of rightwing locations).  and i'm not sure i'd be too quick to say kobe didn't rape that chick. 
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Posted: 8/20/2012 5:57:39 PM
There is no such thing as "legitimate rape" medically or morally speaking.



I know, but Akin never said a doctor told him there was such a thing as "legitimate rape" so no, you weren't responding to his comments.
What he was probably trying to say was forcible rape.

So, in actuality, rape results in a greater % of pregnancy than consensual sex. Perhaps if you read the article(which you obviously didn't), you would have understood the point being made.




I read the article and watched the interview and what he was bumbling to was the point I made. Pregnancy by rape is rare compared to all pregnancies.

His commentary is not about all U.S. pregnancies, as you have myopically interpreted. The CDC numbers you present are not pertinent to the discussion of his comments.



Yes it was and yes they are.

You twisting it, is exactly why I responded.

As to your WebMD source, that is an ongoing area of debate, there are no conclusive studies to determine the effects of certain hormones on pregnancy.




Irrelevant as none of that means a doctor didn't tell Akin this.


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Posted: 8/20/2012 6:19:26 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

There is no such thing as "legitimate rape" medically or morally speaking.



I know, but Akin never said a doctor told him there was such a thing as "legitimate rape" so no, you weren't responding to his comments.
What he was probably trying to say was forcible rape.

So, in actuality, rape results in a greater % of pregnancy than consensual sex. Perhaps if you read the article(which you obviously didn't), you would have understood the point being made.




I read the article and watched the interview and what he was bumbling to was the point I made. Pregnancy by rape is rare compared to all pregnancies.

His commentary is not about all U.S. pregnancies, as you have myopically interpreted. The CDC numbers you present are not pertinent to the discussion of his comments.



Yes it was and yes they are.

You twisting it, is exactly why I responded.

As to your WebMD source, that is an ongoing area of debate, there are no conclusive studies to determine the effects of certain hormones on pregnancy.




Irrelevant as none of that means a doctor didn't tell Akin this.



I have twisted nothing. Incredible. It's difficult to have a rational discussion with you.

Carry on.  Are you an M.D.?
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Posted: 8/20/2012 6:38:13 PM
I have twisted nothing. 


Yes, yes you have. 
See, Akin was never said a doctor told him about "legitimate rape"

Nor did he imply it. 

It's difficult to have a rational discussion with you.

See above.

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QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

I have twisted nothing. 


Yes, yes you have. 
See, Akin was never said a doctor told him about "legitimate rape"

Nor did he imply it. 

It's difficult to have a rational discussion with you.

See above.


No one believes Akin got the actaul term "legitimate rape" from a physician, including myself.  That is obvious.
All I asked is "which doctors" spoke and informed Akin about rape and possible pregnancy scenarios to inform his viewpoints. Did you interpret my question differently?

Well, which ones did, Mr. Akin? I don't think he will ever reveal that, because there aren't any doctors who would endorse such thinking.

Once again, 14, are you an M.D.? 
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Posted: 8/20/2012 6:48:04 PM
What exactly am I misrepresenting or not understanding? Akin was talking about his belief that pregnancies are rare following rape.


No, Akin said "that's really rare
What is really rare? 
Women who are raped becoming pregnant.

And they make up a tiny fraction of pregnancies.

So yeah, that's rare.

I did enjoy this, however:

The Gottschalls do acknowledge that their study was at odds with previous research, which showed a lower rate of pregnancy among rape victims.


Oh:

A separate large-scale study showed that, for the general population of women that age, the per-incidence pregnancy rate for a single act of intercourse is 3.1 percent.

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Posted: 8/20/2012 6:50:42 PM
All I asked is "which doctors" spoke and informed Akin about rape and possible pregnancy scenarios to inform his viewpoints. Did you interpret my question differently?


Your "question" is irrelevant as it has nothing to do with what Akin said.


Well, which ones did, Mr. Akin? I don't think he will ever reveal that, because there aren't any doctors who would endorse such thinking.


So now you're saying there are no doctors who endorse what Buck Louis says?

Once again, 14, are you an M.D.? 

NO
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Posted: 8/20/2012 7:10:04 PM
Well I'll side with the majority of most reasonable folks on this Akin issue. His commentary is absurd, misogynistic and irresponsible for a potential U.S. Senator.

I have confidence in my thoughts regarding his commentary, both medically and morally. Akin hasn't a leg to stand on. Your defense of him is quite disconcerting.

In fact, my Ob/Gyn colleagues just had a good laugh at your commentary. But hey, what do they know?




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Posted: 8/20/2012 7:18:20 PM
mellow_wolf,

I'm glad these mythical, Internet Ob/gyn colleagues are laughing.

Since they can't point out anything I said which was factually incorrect, I'd expect nothing less.
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