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okay that post makes a lot of sense

so since the rich are getting richer, that means the economy is doing good

I dont think the middle class or lower class really give a rats behind how the rich and corporations are doing.

also to sit here and say only the left slings mud, is downright comical.  You might want to take your blinders off and ear plugs out, you might actually see that both sides are pretty equal in the mud dept

14daroad,

The difference between the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and Ryan's plan is that PPACA will retain Medicare as a direct benefits program, whereas Ryan's proposal will gradually convert the Medicare system into a voucher plan. Ryan’s plan under the Path To Prosperity would end Medicare as an insurance program that directly pays medical bills for the elderly. 

Huge, huge difference.

PPACA will make its cuts only to providers(doctors, hospitals...) not beneficiaries. Obama’s long-term plan to save Medicare is to set up a panel(so called "death" panels) of 15 Senate-confirmed experts tasked with issuing proposals to rein in the growth of spending if it exceeds a certain level. The Independent Payment Advisory Board may only propose cuts to providers, not beneficiaries. Congress may replace the cuts by passing its own or with a three-fifths super-majority.

Ryan's plan will increase direct costs to beneficiaries, by approximately $6,500 per year, according to the CBO.

So, despite cutting a substantial 800 million from Medicare in PPACA(which Republicans should agree with), Obama retains the essence and direct nature of Medicare, which does not affect beneficiaries directly. The AARP, Hospitals association and drug industries all endorsed the PPACA.

Which program do you think will appeal to voters 55 and under? I know which one does already.

We will have to wait and see the outcome in November. Current polls are helpful but there remains much to discussed and digested amongst the voters. This is still ongoing.

Ryan's plan will increase direct costs to beneficiaries, by approximately $6,500 per year, according to the CBO."

Hold on there a sec, m_w -- you know I got nothing for love for you, but I think you may be off-base here. If the PPACA only makes cuts to providers, do you realistically believe that those providers will not find some way to pass along the costs of those cuts to the consumer? Or, even worse, do the cuts lead to an increase in fraudulent billing and services by doctors and hospitals in hopes of recovering the amounts that have been unilaterally cut from their government reimbursements for serving those individuals who are on government programs?

Mellow, you are exactly right..Florida is the key again.  I am already getting calls from neighbor retiree's upset about the proposed medicare voucher sysytem.