1. Izzo is 15-3 in the second game of the weekend in the tourney. Izzo is a far superior coach to Pearl and I fully expect his gameplan and in-game adjustments to trump whatever Pearl does. 2. People are acting as if MSU is not athletic. Make that assumption at your own risk. 3. Raymar Morgan vs. Wayne Chism match-up may decide this game. I have a feeling Chism won't like the abuse he's going to take in the paint and resort to hanging out around the arc. 4. MSU rebounds and defends better. 5. I expect MSU to pack the paint and make UT beat them from the outside. UT shoots a poor % from the outside. 6. UT plays undisciplined. If we learned anything from Saturday's games, the more disciplined team won both games.
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MSU Moneyline...
1. Izzo is 15-3 in the second game of the weekend in the tourney. Izzo is a far superior coach to Pearl and I fully expect his gameplan and in-game adjustments to trump whatever Pearl does. 2. People are acting as if MSU is not athletic. Make that assumption at your own risk. 3. Raymar Morgan vs. Wayne Chism match-up may decide this game. I have a feeling Chism won't like the abuse he's going to take in the paint and resort to hanging out around the arc. 4. MSU rebounds and defends better. 5. I expect MSU to pack the paint and make UT beat them from the outside. UT shoots a poor % from the outside. 6. UT plays undisciplined. If we learned anything from Saturday's games, the more disciplined team won both games.
One of these days I'm going to win a college basketball play again though that could be next season its too late to give up now which I probably should have around November -- UNDER 136.5
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One of these days I'm going to win a college basketball play again though that could be next season its too late to give up now which I probably should have around November -- UNDER 136.5
My gut is telling me MSU, but I don't bet on my gut feeling very often. Probably will stay with the total, which I'm leaning towards the Under. BOL guys
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My gut is telling me MSU, but I don't bet on my gut feeling very often. Probably will stay with the total, which I'm leaning towards the Under. BOL guys
Wow, this should be a good one. Can't wait. And it's not an easy one to call. However, as hard as it is to bet against Izzo in the tourney, I think today might be the day to do it.
After breaking everything down there were a few things that stood out to me to give U.T. the slight edge.
Firstly, and the one that's the most significant to me, is Thad Motta called the Vols defense "the best we've seen this season". I know I don't have to remind anyone the OSU playedMichigan State this season (who they beat by seven).
Secondly, as far as resume's go (and you can only put so much into them) it's hard to overlook UT's wins over Kansas, Kentucky, Ohio State, and Florida, with a one point loss to Purdue. Vandy did hand their asses to them twice but we all know some match-ups just favor one team over another.
Michigan St. on the other hand, has wins over Purdue, Wisconsin, the Zags and Minnesota, but lost to OSU, Texas, Florida, and North Carolina.
Thirdly, you have to wonder if at some point MSU's injury troubles are going to catch up with them, especially with a team like Tennessee who CAN play 10 guys, match their athleticism and hit the boards with equal fervor.
Fourthly, I like the experience of the UT, starting 3 seniors and having the slightly older team.
You can't really give an edge to either team in terms of effort. I expect both to leave everything on the floor.
And in terms of the emotional "feel good" angle, both teams have
overcome some serious adversity to get here. But if you buy into the
"emotional letdown in the 2nd game after losing a key player theory",
you have to wonder if MSU will feel it today.
Look, I won't argue with anyone about Izzo's track record v. Bruce Pearl's, and again, it's awfully hard to bet against him,
but something tells me today it's Bruce's turn to get his team in the
Final Four.
VOLS -2
Good luck everyone
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Wow, this should be a good one. Can't wait. And it's not an easy one to call. However, as hard as it is to bet against Izzo in the tourney, I think today might be the day to do it.
After breaking everything down there were a few things that stood out to me to give U.T. the slight edge.
Firstly, and the one that's the most significant to me, is Thad Motta called the Vols defense "the best we've seen this season". I know I don't have to remind anyone the OSU playedMichigan State this season (who they beat by seven).
Secondly, as far as resume's go (and you can only put so much into them) it's hard to overlook UT's wins over Kansas, Kentucky, Ohio State, and Florida, with a one point loss to Purdue. Vandy did hand their asses to them twice but we all know some match-ups just favor one team over another.
Michigan St. on the other hand, has wins over Purdue, Wisconsin, the Zags and Minnesota, but lost to OSU, Texas, Florida, and North Carolina.
Thirdly, you have to wonder if at some point MSU's injury troubles are going to catch up with them, especially with a team like Tennessee who CAN play 10 guys, match their athleticism and hit the boards with equal fervor.
Fourthly, I like the experience of the UT, starting 3 seniors and having the slightly older team.
You can't really give an edge to either team in terms of effort. I expect both to leave everything on the floor.
And in terms of the emotional "feel good" angle, both teams have
overcome some serious adversity to get here. But if you buy into the
"emotional letdown in the 2nd game after losing a key player theory",
you have to wonder if MSU will feel it today.
Look, I won't argue with anyone about Izzo's track record v. Bruce Pearl's, and again, it's awfully hard to bet against him,
but something tells me today it's Bruce's turn to get his team in the
Final Four.
Give me the points....the loss of Lucas doesn't matter. The coaching of Tom Izzo gets it done. Don't bet against this guy in March because you'll lose more often than you win..Go Sparty!
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Give me the points....the loss of Lucas doesn't matter. The coaching of Tom Izzo gets it done. Don't bet against this guy in March because you'll lose more often than you win..Go Sparty!
Wow, this should be a good one. Can't wait. And it's not an easy one to call. However, as hard as it is to bet against Izzo in the tourney, I think today might be the day to do it.
After breaking everything down there were a few things that stood out to me to give U.T. the slight edge.
Firstly, and the one that's the most significant to me, is Thad Motta called the Vols defense "the best we've seen this season". I know I don't have to remind anyone the OSU playedMichigan State this season (who they beat by seven).
Secondly, as far as resume's go (and you can only put so much into them) it's hard to overlook UT's wins over Kansas, Kentucky, Ohio State, and Florida, with a one point loss to Purdue. Vandy did hand their asses to them twice but we all know some match-ups just favor one team over another.
Michigan St. on the other hand, has wins over Purdue, Wisconsin, the Zags and Minnesota, but lost to OSU, Texas, Florida, and North Carolina.
Thirdly, you have to wonder if at some point MSU's injury troubles are going to catch up with them, especially with a team like Tennessee who CAN play 10 guys, match their athleticism and hit the boards with equal fervor.
Fourthly, I like the experience of the UT, starting 3 seniors and having the slightly older team.
You can't really give an edge to either team in terms of effort. I expect both to leave everything on the floor.
And in terms of the emotional "feel good" angle, both teams have
overcome some serious adversity to get here. But if you buy into the
"emotional letdown in the 2nd game after losing a key player theory",
you have to wonder if MSU will feel it today.
Look, I won't argue with anyone about Izzo's track record v. Bruce Pearl's, and again, it's awfully hard to bet against him,
but something tells me today it's Bruce's turn to get his team in the
Final Four.
VOLS -2
Good luck everyone
"However, as hard as it is to bet against Izzo in the tourney, I think today might be the day to do it." - famous last words...
To your first point, Thad Matta is a moron. His team scored 60pts or under in a couple big 10 games this season (with Turner). To say a team that gave up 73pts was the "best D" he has seen all year is just a flat-out lie. I would put NO stock in that.
To point #2, throw out the regular season and games that took place 2-3 months ago. UT won some big games, but they were at home...
Point #3, MSU can roll out 8-9 players if they want. Lucas injury is a big concern but depth is not. NO team in America crashes the boards like MSU. NO team (not even my Badgers).
Point #4 Experience? Do you mean national championship experience? Final 4 experience? Because that favors MSU. You can have 5 seniors, but if they haven't won anything I'll gladly take the "younger" (I say that sarcastically, MSU is not UK) team that has played for it all.
I could make an argument for UT winning, but at the end of the day I just don't see them being able to knock down enough 3's to win the game. MSU has played over 1 1/2 games without Lucas so the "letdown" theory is moot.
I fully expect Izzo to win this game....
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Quote Originally Posted by angrytiger:
Wow, this should be a good one. Can't wait. And it's not an easy one to call. However, as hard as it is to bet against Izzo in the tourney, I think today might be the day to do it.
After breaking everything down there were a few things that stood out to me to give U.T. the slight edge.
Firstly, and the one that's the most significant to me, is Thad Motta called the Vols defense "the best we've seen this season". I know I don't have to remind anyone the OSU playedMichigan State this season (who they beat by seven).
Secondly, as far as resume's go (and you can only put so much into them) it's hard to overlook UT's wins over Kansas, Kentucky, Ohio State, and Florida, with a one point loss to Purdue. Vandy did hand their asses to them twice but we all know some match-ups just favor one team over another.
Michigan St. on the other hand, has wins over Purdue, Wisconsin, the Zags and Minnesota, but lost to OSU, Texas, Florida, and North Carolina.
Thirdly, you have to wonder if at some point MSU's injury troubles are going to catch up with them, especially with a team like Tennessee who CAN play 10 guys, match their athleticism and hit the boards with equal fervor.
Fourthly, I like the experience of the UT, starting 3 seniors and having the slightly older team.
You can't really give an edge to either team in terms of effort. I expect both to leave everything on the floor.
And in terms of the emotional "feel good" angle, both teams have
overcome some serious adversity to get here. But if you buy into the
"emotional letdown in the 2nd game after losing a key player theory",
you have to wonder if MSU will feel it today.
Look, I won't argue with anyone about Izzo's track record v. Bruce Pearl's, and again, it's awfully hard to bet against him,
but something tells me today it's Bruce's turn to get his team in the
Final Four.
VOLS -2
Good luck everyone
"However, as hard as it is to bet against Izzo in the tourney, I think today might be the day to do it." - famous last words...
To your first point, Thad Matta is a moron. His team scored 60pts or under in a couple big 10 games this season (with Turner). To say a team that gave up 73pts was the "best D" he has seen all year is just a flat-out lie. I would put NO stock in that.
To point #2, throw out the regular season and games that took place 2-3 months ago. UT won some big games, but they were at home...
Point #3, MSU can roll out 8-9 players if they want. Lucas injury is a big concern but depth is not. NO team in America crashes the boards like MSU. NO team (not even my Badgers).
Point #4 Experience? Do you mean national championship experience? Final 4 experience? Because that favors MSU. You can have 5 seniors, but if they haven't won anything I'll gladly take the "younger" (I say that sarcastically, MSU is not UK) team that has played for it all.
I could make an argument for UT winning, but at the end of the day I just don't see them being able to knock down enough 3's to win the game. MSU has played over 1 1/2 games without Lucas so the "letdown" theory is moot.
"However, as hard as it is to bet against Izzo in the tourney, I think today might be the day to do it." - famous last words...
To your first point, Thad Matta is a moron. His team scored 60pts or under in a couple big 10 games this season (with Turner). To say a team that gave up 73pts was the "best D" he has seen all year is just a flat-out lie. I would put NO stock in that.
To point #2, throw out the regular season and games that took place 2-3 months ago. UT won some big games, but they were at home...
Point #3, MSU can roll out 8-9 players if they want. Lucas injury is a big concern but depth is not. NO team in America crashes the boards like MSU. NO team (not even my Badgers).
Point #4 Experience? Do you mean national championship experience? Final 4 experience? Because that favors MSU. You can have 5 seniors, but if they haven't won anything I'll gladly take the "younger" (I say that sarcastically, MSU is not UK) team that has played for it all.
I could make an argument for UT winning, but at the end of the day I just don't see them being able to knock down enough 3's to win the game. MSU has played over 1 1/2 games without Lucas so the "letdown" theory is moot.
I fully expect Izzo to win this game....
Those are some interesting arguments and I can't really counter all of them.
You may very well be right in terms of experience and rebounding, but it's pretty easy to call someone a "moron" from the comfort of your own home. Big 10 basketball games routinely produce a great many games in which teams score less than 60 points. As a Badger fan, you'd know that better than anyone. But the last time I checked Thad Motta's put together some pretty good basketball teams and certainly has more college basketball wins than you do.
If you want to throw out regular season victories you can. I can't. To me, the UT resume is still more impressive that MSU's.
As far as outside shooting for Tennessee goes, I actually think their frontcourt is good enough to get some points in the paint today, but if it does come down to knocking down 3's I'd argue that nobody expected West Virginia to knock them down yesterday, but they did.
Hard to counter an argument that MSU is more disciplined, because they probably are. You have to respect any coach that puts his players in football pads for rebounding drills. And yes, yes, yes Tom Izzo's teams have a much better track record than Bruce Pearl's.
Too bad Izzo isn't actually playing IN this game today. His team is. And it's playing against deep, determined, healthier one.
Like I said, it's a tough game to call. Both teams deserve to be here. I just like Tennessee in this spot, with the way this tourney has gone.
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Quote Originally Posted by chitownbadger:
"However, as hard as it is to bet against Izzo in the tourney, I think today might be the day to do it." - famous last words...
To your first point, Thad Matta is a moron. His team scored 60pts or under in a couple big 10 games this season (with Turner). To say a team that gave up 73pts was the "best D" he has seen all year is just a flat-out lie. I would put NO stock in that.
To point #2, throw out the regular season and games that took place 2-3 months ago. UT won some big games, but they were at home...
Point #3, MSU can roll out 8-9 players if they want. Lucas injury is a big concern but depth is not. NO team in America crashes the boards like MSU. NO team (not even my Badgers).
Point #4 Experience? Do you mean national championship experience? Final 4 experience? Because that favors MSU. You can have 5 seniors, but if they haven't won anything I'll gladly take the "younger" (I say that sarcastically, MSU is not UK) team that has played for it all.
I could make an argument for UT winning, but at the end of the day I just don't see them being able to knock down enough 3's to win the game. MSU has played over 1 1/2 games without Lucas so the "letdown" theory is moot.
I fully expect Izzo to win this game....
Those are some interesting arguments and I can't really counter all of them.
You may very well be right in terms of experience and rebounding, but it's pretty easy to call someone a "moron" from the comfort of your own home. Big 10 basketball games routinely produce a great many games in which teams score less than 60 points. As a Badger fan, you'd know that better than anyone. But the last time I checked Thad Motta's put together some pretty good basketball teams and certainly has more college basketball wins than you do.
If you want to throw out regular season victories you can. I can't. To me, the UT resume is still more impressive that MSU's.
As far as outside shooting for Tennessee goes, I actually think their frontcourt is good enough to get some points in the paint today, but if it does come down to knocking down 3's I'd argue that nobody expected West Virginia to knock them down yesterday, but they did.
Hard to counter an argument that MSU is more disciplined, because they probably are. You have to respect any coach that puts his players in football pads for rebounding drills. And yes, yes, yes Tom Izzo's teams have a much better track record than Bruce Pearl's.
Too bad Izzo isn't actually playing IN this game today. His team is. And it's playing against deep, determined, healthier one.
Like I said, it's a tough game to call. Both teams deserve to be here. I just like Tennessee in this spot, with the way this tourney has gone.
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