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#1 Posted: 9/17/2012 1:30:42 PM Difficult for me to admit.....but there is no doubt that Stoops will get out coached on Saturday. And there is little doubt the Wildcats will cover the 13.5 spread. What there is doubt about is whether the Sooners can pull out the win at home?
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#2 Posted: 9/17/2012 2:13:05 PM I agree with almost nothing you have to say, but I do agree with you on KSU. I'm not sure about Snyder being a better coach, but I think he does have a more complete team right now. |
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#3 Posted: 9/17/2012 2:48:58 PM As Much as Stoops gets knocked , he does get the horse to water ...
Coach Snyder is one of my ALL Time Favs ... I will be on K St +14 , but no result would shock me
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#4 Posted: 9/17/2012 2:50:31 PM Well......if you don't agree with me about Stoops...then you're obviously accustomed to watching mediocre coaching and haven't had the pleasure of witnessing true coaching genius. And if you haven't been fortunate enough to have had that experience then I can't really blame you for your ignorance.
Stoops is fortunate that he landed in Norman after Florida. With only average coaching and recruiting skills he's been able to parlay 50 years of Sooner tradition and excellence into a barely acceptable performance. Take away the one nat'l championship he happened to be coach during and he's just another guy. Without Mike Leach in 2000 he would have been lost. And for what little he's accomplished he's massively overcompensated at some $6-7M/yr. He's lucky there just aren't many great coaches around to take his place.
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#5 Posted: 9/17/2012 2:51:42 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life: As Much as Stoops gets knocked , he does get the horse to water ...
Coach Snyder is one of my ALL Time Favs ... I will be on K St +14 , but no result would shock me
Would like for the horse to get a drink now and then.
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#6 Posted: 9/17/2012 2:53:12 PM Stoops gets out coached almost every game. He just has more talent usually to cover his behind.
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#7 Posted: 9/17/2012 2:59:51 PM Finally we agree Mr Train.
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#8 Posted: 9/17/2012 3:09:00 PM Joe unfortunately you are one of those sooner fans that think OU should win every game. Oklahoma gets maybe 2-3 TOP recruits per year anyone that thinks different is nuts. Texas, LSU, Bama, Ohio State and USC get all TOP recruits. Stoops and his team coach them up to play well as a team. I think Stoops should be an NFL coach because his downfall is loyalty to his assistants and not going after a premier OC after Leach did but even with those guys they put up big numbers. Joe tell me one other team that has a better record each and every year going back to the NC game. Give me ONE team that has lost less than 10 games at home in the last 12 years. The reason why everyone remembers Ok losing is because it rarely happens. I think Kstate will give them a game and has a really good chance of winning but the reason why is because they have no players. Go to covers and look under injuries they have 6, 4 starters suspended for the year on top of 2 starters injured for the year. Everyone acts like OU is loaded with premier talent. FSU gets 5 and 4 stars every year and they stink. This year they may have a breakout year. OU gets garbage on because they are the only team in college football that is always playing for a NC other than a three or 4 years in the last 12. You can't say that about any other team. Bama is great now but please tell me as a Bama fan you would want to go back 12 years and play out all of those seasons. Going 4-9, 6-6, 6-7. I agree OU will be down and anyone that really follow college sporst knows OU would have huge problems with all the suspensions and injuries. So give me a break. I love how people say Stoops gets outcoached. How many bowl games has he won. How many Big XII championships as he won. How many games against Texas as he won. How many big road games as he won. Beating FSU the last 2 years. Are none of those Big Games? Please give me 3 teams you would talk over OU the last 12 years and give me their record and how many league championships and bowl games they have won and "BIG GAMES" I would love to hear the teams that you think have been better. |
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#9 Posted: 9/17/2012 3:39:35 PM Regular season wins mean nothing, especially in Norman. The coaching we have witnessed in BCS games in the past 6 years is such an embarrassment. Bottom line is the guy can't recruit so he chooses to not even try...and his in-game strategy is driven by his deer-in-the-headlights panic that sets in everytime a critical decision needs to be made.
Frankly I would have fired him and brough in Leach (offensive genius) at half the price but I guess the powers that be in Norman have gotten used to just regular season wins. And that's sad.
Lord, I'm at least glad OU didn't go to the SEC years ago. Then we would have just been another Georgia or FSU.
My point is it's not which 3 teams I would take over OU in the last 12 years. I just want a better coach.
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#10 Posted: 9/17/2012 3:46:54 PM Had POY on you guys last year in this game. This year though, Klein can throw and you don't have the great DEs to stop the zone read. Long day in Norman?
Stoops is more remembered for the Boise State debacle than his national championship. |
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#11 Posted: 9/17/2012 4:22:49 PM Joe nobody gives a garbage what you think
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#12 Posted: 9/17/2012 4:35:10 PM So B-B I think it's time they put your star on the Walk-Of-Fame. What's the hold up there? You should get your Fan Base to work on that.
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#13 Posted: 9/17/2012 4:52:48 PM
No bet game for me just like
FSU/CLEMSON..... Id give both games a 60% chance of a big win, 30% chance of a close game and a 10% chance of an upset.
?????OUTCOACHED?? SO YOUR BETTING ON A COACHING BATTLE...STOOPS DOESNT CALL ANY PLAYS ON EITHER SIDE..neither does snyder!! no words a coach can say can make them make plays!!! stupidest thread ever!! |
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#14 Posted: 9/17/2012 4:54:48 PM Joe I feel bad because you are a typical Sooner fan. I graduated from OU but am extremely objective. OU doesnt get a LARGE NUMBER of the best recruits and it has nothing to do with Stoops. He is BY FAR the best coach as far as coaching up his players. I think he should go to the NFL because he just cares about wins not margin of victory and is a defensive minded coach. You are so delusional when you talk about Leach. The guys a mental case and Stoops would have never gotten Peterson or Murray who I knew was a HUGE STEAL for the Cowboys if they run that gimmick offense. No team in college football has ever won with that gimmick offense because good defenses shut it down like OU has done several times. Just because OU loses one time to Tech lets not forget when Tech came in with NC aspirations and OU took them to the woodshed. OU's BIGGEST PROBLEM is after Leach left he never went after a GREAT Offensive genius. Instead he just continues to promote within which is extremely stupid. He is a top 3 coach but is too loyal or too stupid to go after an offensive guy that can really mix things up. Also regular season games mean nothing. WHAT????? Last time I checked you lose one game you are OUT. THey mean EVERYTHING. Would you rather lose 3 games play in the insight.com bowl and win. Give me a freakin break. OU has been in 3 NC games over 12 years and was within 1 game of being in 3 more. Not that bad I don't see anyone with a resume even close to that.
And you think the last 6 years in the BCS has been a complete debacle. So in 2006 OU goes 11-3 lose 43-32 to Boise as Boise pulls out every trick play in the book. 2007 They go 11-3 and lose to a very good WV team; next year they are in the NC game against Tim Tebow and lose 24-14. Going 12-2. The next year they go 8-5 win their BCS Bowl game. Next year 10-3 win their BCS Bowl game by 28. Last year they go 10-3 and win their bowl game. So basically over the last 6 years; they were 3-3 in Bowl games; winning the last 3; losing in three BCS bowls against ELITE competition including a NC game. WOW OU FREAKIN SUCKS. There isn't a team that has had that success over the last 6 years. So in 6 years that had one season where they didn't win 10 games. I mean I guess if they don't go 13-0 every year Stoops just can't coach. Get another team OU doesn't need garbage behind fans like you. I know OU doesnt have their best team and they may well lose this week but they spanked Kstate last year by 40 and has 2 weeks to prepare so you never know. |
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#15 Posted: 9/17/2012 4:57:56 PM How does it feel joe?
How does it feel for some one to come in your thread and talk garbage for no reason?
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#16 Posted: 9/17/2012 5:32:24 PM What are they arguing about????? last year OU Wins 56-17 at manhattan and neither team has changed much!!!?? Really confused?? OU will win, probably 27-17.. no big deal!! |
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#17 Posted: 9/17/2012 5:32:52 PM Don't see any garbage-talking here.....What I do see is reasonable and civil difference of opinion.
I might suggest that you on the other hand need to get civilized and come in out of the jungle and learn to solve your disagreements without such inarticulate verbal attacks. Maybe a little anger management might help. You by chance on parole or taking prescription medication?
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#18 Posted: 9/17/2012 5:46:57 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by TRAIN69:
Stoops gets out coached almost every game. He just has more talent usually to cover his behind.
he gets out coached every game he is clueless.
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#19 Posted: 9/17/2012 6:29:45 PM handicapper almost none of what you're saying is relevant. jw did not say stoops isnt a good coach bc they don't go 13-0 every year. his main argument was clearly : he's a bad coach because he doesn't recruit well (or even try) and that he gets outcoached in-game often.
you've chosen to focus your response on OU being great as a team recently (albeit not against elite competition in BCS bowls) with good but not great recruits...ummm that doesnt subvert any of what joe said regardless of whether it's true 
this is why these threads get derailed. it's ok to think stoops is a better coach than leach. but when you say things that aren't relevant to the initial argument the invariable digression prohibits anything useful from actually being said.
i think snyder's a better coach for myriad reasons. if KSU went 3-9 this year i would probably still think this. 
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#20 Posted: 9/17/2012 6:38:37 PM Bilas......Now that's an on point, lucid, logical and well thought out commentary.
Seriously.....who here if there was a coaching vacancy with their team would vote for Stoops to come to their town? Forget the $6-7M/yr.
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#21 Posted: 9/17/2012 6:49:28 PM Mack Brown taking a knee on the 1-yd line to prevent hanging 76 on Ole Miss was also something Stoops would never do.
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#22 Posted: 9/17/2012 6:53:36 PM Mack is and has always been a class act. And of course he was tutored well.
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#23 Posted: 9/17/2012 7:23:22 PM  Joe trying to act like he is civilized now..... Funny
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#24 Posted: 9/17/2012 8:19:21 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:   Joe trying to act like he is civilized now..... Funny
Hey Boom-Boom,
Next time you're at a game and need to use the restroom.....make sure you pay attention to the sign over the urinal.
DON'T EAT THE BIG WHITE MINT
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#25 Posted: 9/17/2012 8:20:41 PM Fail |
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