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Ball State/Tulsa + Write-UP (I Have been Smoking hot!)

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Posted: Jan. 6, 2009 - 3:00 PM ET #1

My Bowl write-ups, if you have been following them, have been almost dead on. The reason is because I focus on the constants from each team not just recent play and motivation.  Tonight, like last night when I called Ohio State and the under, I see some very obvious things with the teams that again are being overlooked in all the hype. Also note that a large number of Ball States games this year were on ESPN primetime and Ball put those games over (lending to the over inflation when the line was made.)

When Ball State plays Tulsa tonight in a game that is being touted as a high scoring affair (debate as to how high) the Over/under will be a topic of great debate. There is talk of some weather and injury that have already deflated the total to 73 (as of now) and I see getting as low as 70.5 by kick-off.

This takes us to the big questions...how many will they score tonight? Which offense wins out?

my answer...just like last night...NEITHER!

To me however this situation tonight reeks of last night. It is GLARING to me that we have a Ball State defense that seems to have been completely overlooked and will be the biggest determining factor in the side and total of this game.

Ball State this year has NOT PLAYED IN ONE GAME THAT HAS GONE OVER 70 POINTS. NONE.

In fact, Ball State has not allowed more the 24 against all year except for the MAC Final against Buffalo where they allowed 42. The 42 points is very deceiving though... unless you watched the game or read the box score. 

Of Buffalo's 42 in that game, 2 TDs were on fumble returns for TDs (not the Ball State Deference fault) when Ball State was in Buffalo's red zone. Another Buff TD was after a failed onsides kick attemot by Ball that gave Buff amazing field position in a situation where Ball States perfect season had been ruined... and with little time left Buffalo punched in another TD to put them at 42 for the game against a devastated Ball Defense (not characteristic of a D that played great al year).. In this game Ball had 5 turnovers, but the despite the look of a blowout, Ball's Defense actually held Buffalo to a mere 95 yarsd rushing and 206 pasing. This was a nice effort against a good Buffalo QB Drew Willy and RB Starks.

Other then that game, Ball State D has been very good against the pass a signifigant partof Tulsa's game) both at home and on the road. For the season Ball State is allowing an averge of just over 200 yrads (206) a game. 

Now I know everyone is going to say that Tulsa has been great rushing the ball averaging 250+ per game on the ground on the ground and that can't be ignored. My answer once again is that those stats are an illusion. The reason is because that number is not a "constant" indicator of how Tulsa plays. It is infalted by the Tulane game where they rushed for 489 in one game against a horrible rush D from tulane that quit in the first half and was decimated by injuries. They also got 329 against Central Arkansas and 321 versus UTEP. These types of numbers make Tulsa's offense a look a littlle more powerful then it really is. 

Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Tulsa can't run and there offense isn't good, its just that in reality they are not as good as the stats make them look. They are definately a good rushing team. But as evident in the East carolina game where they rushed for 200 yards, it took them 55 carries to get there (a very modest 3.7 per play.) They also went signigantly UNDER the total in that game of 66.

Tonight here is what I see happening:

Based on this year here are the keys..

Overall | In-Depth
Off Avg Yards Pass Rush Y/R Y/A
BALST
TULSA
36.6
47.4
459.4
565.0
266.7
310.2
192.7
254.8
5.1
5.4
9.2
10.2
Def Avg Yards Pass Rush Y/R Y/A
BALST
TULSA
18.6
29.1
347.9
392.3
206.2
258.8
141.8
133.5
4.3
3.9
6.3
8.0

Its Ball States Defense that has a 10 1/2 point advantage in the game. Altough Tulsa has some big yardage numbers and points for the year, alot of them were meaningless and against BAD football teams. When we clear away all the fat, its really going to shape up to be a competitive low scoring game that Tulsa won't feel comfortable operating in. This game will be frustrating for Tulsa playing against a good defnce that won't allow them to run wild...thus forcing them into the type of game that they played against ECU.

The biggest differnce in the two teams back breaking confrence games these teams played...and  what truly puts me on Ball State....is that Ball State gave away their confrence game (they didn't ge beat by Buffalo, they beat themselves) ...Tulsa straight up got beat by a better team (East Carolina).

Playing:
Ball State +2.5
Under 73

GL!
 
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My Bowl write-ups, if you have been following them, have been almost dead on. The reason is because I focus on the constants from each team not just recent play and motivation.  Tonight, like last night when I called Ohio State and the under, I see some very obvious things with the teams that again are being overlooked in all the hype. Also note that a large number of Ball States games this year were on ESPN primetime and Ball put those games over (lending to the over inflation when the line was made.)

When Ball State plays Tulsa tonight in a game that is being touted as a high scoring affair (debate as to how high) the Over/under will be a topic of great debate. There is talk of some weather and injury that have already deflated the total to 73 (as of now) and I see getting as low as 70.5 by kick-off.

This takes us to the big questions...how many will they score tonight? Which offense wins out?

my answer...just like last night...NEITHER!

To me however this situation tonight reeks of last night. It is GLARING to me that we have a Ball State defense that seems to have been completely overlooked and will be the biggest determining factor in the side and total of this game.

Ball State this year has NOT PLAYED IN ONE GAME THAT HAS GONE OVER 70 POINTS. NONE.

In fact, Ball State has not allowed more the 24 against all year except for the MAC Final against Buffalo where they allowed 42. The 42 points is very deceiving though... unless you watched the game or read the box score. 

Of Buffalo's 42 in that game, 2 TDs were on fumble returns for TDs (not the Ball State Deference fault) when Ball State was in Buffalo's red zone. Another Buff TD was after a failed onsides kick attemot by Ball that gave Buff amazing field position in a situation where Ball States perfect season had been ruined... and with little time left Buffalo punched in another TD to put them at 42 for the game against a devastated Ball Defense (not characteristic of a D that played great al year).. In this game Ball had 5 turnovers, but the despite the look of a blowout, Ball's Defense actually held Buffalo to a mere 95 yarsd rushing and 206 pasing. This was a nice effort against a good Buffalo QB Drew Willy and RB Starks.

Other then that game, Ball State D has been very good against the pass a signifigant partof Tulsa's game) both at home and on the road. For the season Ball State is allowing an averge of just over 200 yrads (206) a game. 

Now I know everyone is going to say that Tulsa has been great rushing the ball averaging 250+ per game on the ground on the ground and that can't be ignored. My answer once again is that those stats are an illusion. The reason is because that number is not a "constant" indicator of how Tulsa plays. It is infalted by the Tulane game where they rushed for 489 in one game against a horrible rush D from tulane that quit in the first half and was decimated by injuries. They also got 329 against Central Arkansas and 321 versus UTEP. These types of numbers make Tulsa's offense a look a littlle more powerful then it really is. 

Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Tulsa can't run and there offense isn't good, its just that in reality they are not as good as the stats make them look. They are definately a good rushing team. But as evident in the East carolina game where they rushed for 200 yards, it took them 55 carries to get there (a very modest 3.7 per play.) They also went signigantly UNDER the total in that game of 66.

Tonight here is what I see happening:

Based on this year here are the keys..

Overall | In-Depth
Off Avg Yards Pass Rush Y/R Y/A
BALST
TULSA
36.6
47.4
459.4
565.0
266.7
310.2
192.7
254.8
5.1
5.4
9.2
10.2
Def Avg Yards Pass Rush Y/R Y/A
BALST
TULSA
18.6
29.1
347.9
392.3
206.2
258.8
141.8
133.5
4.3
3.9
6.3
8.0

Its Ball States Defense that has a 10 1/2 point advantage in the game. Altough Tulsa has some big yardage numbers and points for the year, alot of them were meaningless and against BAD football teams. When we clear away all the fat, its really going to shape up to be a competitive low scoring game that Tulsa won't feel comfortable operating in. This game will be frustrating for Tulsa playing against a good defnce that won't allow them to run wild...thus forcing them into the type of game that they played against ECU.

The biggest differnce in the two teams back breaking confrence games these teams played...and  what truly puts me on Ball State....is that Ball State gave away their confrence game (they didn't ge beat by Buffalo, they beat themselves) ...Tulsa straight up got beat by a better team (East Carolina).

Playing:
Ball State +2.5
Under 73

GL!
 
 
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Love the avatar, keep up the good work.
 
 
 
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You have been smoking pot?

Oh my bad ... I thought that was your topic title... but you must have smoked a little to have the guts and play a Tulsa under

Not touching the total but its scary... a little bit like Rice under maybe it can happen tonight for you.

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You have been smoking pot?

Oh my bad ... I thought that was your topic title... but you must have smoked a little to have the guts and play a Tulsa under

Not touching the total but its scary... a little bit like Rice under maybe it can happen tonight for you.

GL
 
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last nite this site had the winners for the bowl game edited
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Thunderstorms expected and wind. Good call on the under.


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Thunderstorms expected and wind. Good call on the under.


 
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Posted: Jan. 6, 2009 - 4:04 PM ET #7

Numbers don't lie...Look at Tulsa Offense over 550 ypg...Look at Ball st Defense nearly 350 ypg and they are in the MAC...Yes Tulsa defense is weak, but if this goes to a shootout no way Ball can hang.....

Good Luck!!!
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Numbers don't lie...Look at Tulsa Offense over 550 ypg...Look at Ball st Defense nearly 350 ypg and they are in the MAC...Yes Tulsa defense is weak, but if this goes to a shootout no way Ball can hang.....

Good Luck!!!
 
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Nice info, I like your cap on it.. I'm playing the 7pt teaser..
 
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Nice info, I like your cap on it.. I'm playing the 7pt teaser..
 
Ball St + 10
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If we are gonna talk about illusions then we should discuss the weak ass MAC conference that Ball State plays in.
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Quote Originally Posted by Robb52:

Numbers don't lie...Look at Tulsa Offense over 550 ypg...Look at Ball st Defense nearly 350 ypg and they are in the MAC...Yes Tulsa defense is weak, but if this goes to a shootout no way Ball can hang.....

Good Luck!!!


Numbers don't lie..but they can mislead..Ohio State/Texas  and FAU/CMU perfect examples that I capped' the same exact way as this one.

Any game can be a shootout. However, capping' this game there is no history of consistency on the part of Tulsa. The only constant has been Ball States D.
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Numbers don't lie...Look at Tulsa Offense over 550 ypg...Look at Ball st Defense nearly 350 ypg and they are in the MAC...Yes Tulsa defense is weak, but if this goes to a shootout no way Ball can hang.....

Good Luck!!!


Numbers don't lie..but they can mislead..Ohio State/Texas  and FAU/CMU perfect examples that I capped' the same exact way as this one.

Any game can be a shootout. However, capping' this game there is no history of consistency on the part of Tulsa. The only constant has been Ball States D.
 
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Posted: Jan. 6, 2009 - 5:20 PM ET #11

Quote Originally Posted by jnugz187:

If we are gonna talk about illusions then we should discuss the weak ass MAC conference that Ball State plays in.


Statically Ball State played a schedule strength of 116 as opposed to Tulsa's' 122.
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Quote Originally Posted by jnugz187:

If we are gonna talk about illusions then we should discuss the weak ass MAC conference that Ball State plays in.


Statically Ball State played a schedule strength of 116 as opposed to Tulsa's' 122.
 
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Very nice m15525, im on the fence about this game....seems like all the cappers on this site are pertty much split.  None had more info than you, i think im going to be stupid and greedy and parlay Ball St, and the under...Is your avatar a grown up Rudy?????
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Very nice m15525, im on the fence about this game....seems like all the cappers on this site are pertty much split.  None had more info than you, i think im going to be stupid and greedy and parlay Ball St, and the under...Is your avatar a grown up Rudy?????
 
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The more and more you look at this matchup, the #'s do lean towards Ball St. Might drop Ball States chances abit if the wind is gonna affect the passing game though. Tulsa's biggest weakness is definitely their pass D, Nate Davis could easily put up 400+ yds on this D in good weather. Really think the weather is gonna play the biggest factor in this game, if it indeed ends up bein rainy and windy.
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The more and more you look at this matchup, the #'s do lean towards Ball St. Might drop Ball States chances abit if the wind is gonna affect the passing game though. Tulsa's biggest weakness is definitely their pass D, Nate Davis could easily put up 400+ yds on this D in good weather. Really think the weather is gonna play the biggest factor in this game, if it indeed ends up bein rainy and windy.
 
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Very nice m15525, im on the fence about this game....seems like all the cappers on this site are pertty much split.  None had more info than you, i think im going to be stupid and greedy and parlay Ball St, and the under...Is your avatar a grown up Rudy?????


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I also consider the line move of 5 points (in a pick'em type scenario) to be some nice value to back Ball State as well.



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Very nice m15525, im on the fence about this game....seems like all the cappers on this site are pertty much split.  None had more info than you, i think im going to be stupid and greedy and parlay Ball St, and the under...Is your avatar a grown up Rudy?????


John Kreese Karate Kid (avatar)

I also consider the line move of 5 points (in a pick'em type scenario) to be some nice value to back Ball State as well.



 
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I am only concerned about wind. Rain actually helps overs unless the field is in real bad shape.

I am also am not really concerned about Ball States ability to score, its Tulsa I am worried about... I think Tulsa is gonna have problems.


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I am only concerned about wind. Rain actually helps overs unless the field is in real bad shape.

I am also am not really concerned about Ball States ability to score, its Tulsa I am worried about... I think Tulsa is gonna have problems.


 
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No posting touts picks anywhere on the site.

giantsfan420 you get time on the Penalty Box.
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giantsfan420 you get time on the Penalty Box.
 
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Good luck M!



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Thanks RichTons..

Where are you on this tilt?
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Where are you on this tilt?
 
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Here comes the UNDER THUNDER!

Total dropping like a rock 71.5...we will probably get to 70.5 as I mentioned above..

I don't think the books have the balls to go below 70 because of the middle opportunities. They will get hammered at 69.5 if they go there.
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Here comes the UNDER THUNDER!

Total dropping like a rock 71.5...we will probably get to 70.5 as I mentioned above..

I don't think the books have the balls to go below 70 because of the middle opportunities. They will get hammered at 69.5 if they go there.
 
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Ball St L4@way
 
Opp Rating   Ball St                                
    71.5            UB (3)(24)21-28(42) (14)
     71.5           CM 31-24
      56             Mia O 31-16
      58.5          W.Kent 24-7
64.5ave opp  power rating(SOS).107-75 = +32 Pt Differential (PD)
add 3pts for each away game to (PD) only because they were at a 3pt disadv. ea gm
Div by 4 gms= +11 ppg
 
Ball State is beating their last 4 opp on the road by 11ppg
Giving them a 75 Road Rating.This makes the Buff gm in itself totally irrelevant imo, only beacuse its only averaged in to the other 3. Persons(public mostly) that are only looking at that game and making a decision from that gm and what conf they are from are doing 2 things 1. Not looking at the overall BIG pitcure
          2. Making a BIG mistake.
 
Line goes from -3 BSt. to Tulsa -+3 maybe +4. Imo, I think the public has been pounding Tulsa because they are focusing on that one gm (Buff) and one game only, giving Bst Value. Ballstate wins and covers this game
 
 Opp Rating     TULSA
 
  61.5 Marshall 38-35
71.5 Houston (14)30-56 (70)
71.5 Arkasas(7) 23-23 (30)
55    SMU   (7) (37) 30-31
ave opp 65 121-145 (PD)= Neg -24 PD
+3 for ea away gm = -12 div by 4 = -3 ppg
 
Tulsa is getting beat by their ave opp on the road by 3 pts per gm given them a 62 road rating 13.5pts worse than BallSt
 
         SCORECAST
        Ball St  26-18.5
        Tulas    30-36..nice defense
 
 Prediction  42 28   Ball St
 
Check Ball States Pt defense vs Tulsa.
BSt also scores 3 ppg  less than Tulsa
Not hearing to much about their offense are we
 
Ball St +3
 
 
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Ball St L4@way
 
Opp Rating   Ball St                                
    71.5            UB (3)(24)21-28(42) (14)
     71.5           CM 31-24
      56             Mia O 31-16
      58.5          W.Kent 24-7
64.5ave opp  power rating(SOS).107-75 = +32 Pt Differential (PD)
add 3pts for each away game to (PD) only because they were at a 3pt disadv. ea gm
Div by 4 gms= +11 ppg
 
Ball State is beating their last 4 opp on the road by 11ppg
Giving them a 75 Road Rating.This makes the Buff gm in itself totally irrelevant imo, only beacuse its only averaged in to the other 3. Persons(public mostly) that are only looking at that game and making a decision from that gm and what conf they are from are doing 2 things 1. Not looking at the overall BIG pitcure
          2. Making a BIG mistake.
 
Line goes from -3 BSt. to Tulsa -+3 maybe +4. Imo, I think the public has been pounding Tulsa because they are focusing on that one gm (Buff) and one game only, giving Bst Value. Ballstate wins and covers this game
 
 Opp Rating     TULSA
 
  61.5 Marshall 38-35
71.5 Houston (14)30-56 (70)
71.5 Arkasas(7) 23-23 (30)
55    SMU   (7) (37) 30-31
ave opp 65 121-145 (PD)= Neg -24 PD
+3 for ea away gm = -12 div by 4 = -3 ppg
 
Tulsa is getting beat by their ave opp on the road by 3 pts per gm given them a 62 road rating 13.5pts worse than BallSt
 
         SCORECAST
        Ball St  26-18.5
        Tulas    30-36..nice defense
 
 Prediction  42 28   Ball St
 
Check Ball States Pt defense vs Tulsa.
BSt also scores 3 ppg  less than Tulsa
Not hearing to much about their offense are we
 
Ball St +3
 
 
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