I have a hard time understanding the meaning of a "value" pick?!?!
Everytime i looke to fill out my picks for the day i would say 90% of the time i end up picking the favorite which obviously doesnt win as often as the line says it should.
Can anyone shed some light on the meaning of "value" when picking a Line to play?!?!
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I have a hard time understanding the meaning of a "value" pick?!?!
Everytime i looke to fill out my picks for the day i would say 90% of the time i end up picking the favorite which obviously doesnt win as often as the line says it should.
Can anyone shed some light on the meaning of "value" when picking a Line to play?!?!
A value pick to me is when a team that is clearly better overall or has a more than favorable pitching match-up has a line range of +1## to -125 or so, you can afford to take them straight up.
The Yanks were a huge value pick 2 days ago when they were like + money going into a game vs. the slumping Tigers.
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A value pick to me is when a team that is clearly better overall or has a more than favorable pitching match-up has a line range of +1## to -125 or so, you can afford to take them straight up.
The Yanks were a huge value pick 2 days ago when they were like + money going into a game vs. the slumping Tigers.
Value basically means that you determine the percentage of times thatTeam A will defeat Team B....there are many ways to arrive at this number...if the line gives you value, you bet the game. For example, tomorrow Philly is -240 and Washington is +230...If you think Washington can win this game 35% of the time you should play Washington.....even though you will lose this wager most of the time....the value is in playing the same way hundreds of time and coming out ahead...there is value in favorites as well.
People say there is no value in a losing play...I strongly disagree with this. Let's say we were going to flip a coin and I told you that I'd give you a choice.....you could pick heads and you'd get $51 or you could pick tails, and I'd give you $49 whatever you didn't pick you would pay me......we are going to flip exactly 100 times. I'd assume everybody and their mother would pick heads because they know that it is a long term winner....even though most know they could "lose" over just 100 flips. Picking heads is playing value and is correct.
An important note, value is determined before the game....the result of the game is basically irrelevant. And playing "value" is a very long term proposition in baseball. You could lose for a week or a month or a half a season. If you are playing it right, you should be profitable long term. Playing value isn't good for a quick score and it certainly isn't glamorous. In fact it's a grind and isn't especially fun but I do believe it is profitable. Finally, depending on the line there can be value on either team in a game...as I said, the value is determined prior to the game. Use the Philly/Nats game again....at -120 tomorrow there would be huge value on the Phils.....at +450 you would be a fool not to play the Nats.
Point is value is long term and in my opinion is the only reliable to show a profit. I know some disagree with me and that's OK. It's my belief.
Good luck with your plays this season
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Value basically means that you determine the percentage of times thatTeam A will defeat Team B....there are many ways to arrive at this number...if the line gives you value, you bet the game. For example, tomorrow Philly is -240 and Washington is +230...If you think Washington can win this game 35% of the time you should play Washington.....even though you will lose this wager most of the time....the value is in playing the same way hundreds of time and coming out ahead...there is value in favorites as well.
People say there is no value in a losing play...I strongly disagree with this. Let's say we were going to flip a coin and I told you that I'd give you a choice.....you could pick heads and you'd get $51 or you could pick tails, and I'd give you $49 whatever you didn't pick you would pay me......we are going to flip exactly 100 times. I'd assume everybody and their mother would pick heads because they know that it is a long term winner....even though most know they could "lose" over just 100 flips. Picking heads is playing value and is correct.
An important note, value is determined before the game....the result of the game is basically irrelevant. And playing "value" is a very long term proposition in baseball. You could lose for a week or a month or a half a season. If you are playing it right, you should be profitable long term. Playing value isn't good for a quick score and it certainly isn't glamorous. In fact it's a grind and isn't especially fun but I do believe it is profitable. Finally, depending on the line there can be value on either team in a game...as I said, the value is determined prior to the game. Use the Philly/Nats game again....at -120 tomorrow there would be huge value on the Phils.....at +450 you would be a fool not to play the Nats.
Point is value is long term and in my opinion is the only reliable to show a profit. I know some disagree with me and that's OK. It's my belief.
Do you guys ever "Chase" a team that loses the first game of a series assuming they will win atleast 1 out of 3 or 4? I have had decent success doing that.
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thanks guys....
Do you guys ever "Chase" a team that loses the first game of a series assuming they will win atleast 1 out of 3 or 4? I have had decent success doing that.
Do you guys ever "Chase" a team that loses the first game of a series assuming they will win atleast 1 out of 3 or 4? I have had decent success doing that.
Not if there isn't value
I look at each game for its individual merits....
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Quote Originally Posted by cdubz34:
thanks guys....
Do you guys ever "Chase" a team that loses the first game of a series assuming they will win atleast 1 out of 3 or 4? I have had decent success doing that.
One problem that I have with betting for value is that I believe that sometimes the linesmakers intentionally give more value to a certain team. Also, when betting for value I find it hard to blelieve that too many people can determine the "true" value of a matchup better than the linesmakers. Since most of us are working with less information than the people who set these lines. Another issue more about handicapping and making your own spreads or lines. If you are like me and many other people handicapping sports you are most likely using past statistics almost exclusively. I think that this is more true with baseball than the other sports, I know that I find it easier to handicap the human element in football than in baseball. This is what I think plagues sports bettors the most when handicapping a game, and that is the human element. And unless you know somebody with some inside information about a team and its players then I think we will always be up against an enemy (the books) with less ammunition (information).
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One problem that I have with betting for value is that I believe that sometimes the linesmakers intentionally give more value to a certain team. Also, when betting for value I find it hard to blelieve that too many people can determine the "true" value of a matchup better than the linesmakers. Since most of us are working with less information than the people who set these lines. Another issue more about handicapping and making your own spreads or lines. If you are like me and many other people handicapping sports you are most likely using past statistics almost exclusively. I think that this is more true with baseball than the other sports, I know that I find it easier to handicap the human element in football than in baseball. This is what I think plagues sports bettors the most when handicapping a game, and that is the human element. And unless you know somebody with some inside information about a team and its players then I think we will always be up against an enemy (the books) with less ammunition (information).
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