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Posted: 6/2/2011 10:07:03 AM
Anyone else just super excited to see Rubio come over to the NBA? I've been waiting to see this guy in the best league in the world for YEARS now.


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Posted: 6/2/2011 10:07:31 AM

"Ricky Rubio, huh?" Timberwolves All-Star Kevin Love tweeted late Wednesday night. "I'll believe it when I see it..."

His tweets continued: "Just thinking about pick and rolls...goodnight.

"Pick....N....Rolls."

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Posted: 6/2/2011 10:08:06 AM
I have to believe that part of Rubio's decision to come over had to do with the fact that he knew he would get to play with Kevin Love, probably the best young PF and rebounder in the game right now.


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Posted: 6/2/2011 10:13:50 AM
but where does that leave them in the draft we already know they are trying to trade the pick to cleveland so if they get the 4 pick what would they do with it since they wouldnt need kemba or brendan who would be there
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Posted: 6/2/2011 10:14:52 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

I have to believe that part of Rubio's decision to come over had to do with the fact that he knew he would get to play with Kevin Love, probably the best young PF and rebounder in the game right now.



I think Rubio has agreed to come over on a promise he's getting dealt from Minnesota.

With such a weak draft coming up Minnesota essentially has the top pick in the class with Rubio.
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Posted: 6/2/2011 10:17:50 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

I have to believe that part of Rubio's decision to come over had to do with the fact that he knew he would get to play with Kevin Love, probably the best young PF and rebounder in the game right now.


ya, those two should be fun to watch, i think he will do well, as for the team though, thats a work in progress ..... i have been in the penalty box for a week for some reason so i couldnt get back to you when you said you were from central cali, im from riverside. you familiar with that area? Gl with your play tonight man, although im leaning heat as of right now, keep up the good work.
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Posted: 6/2/2011 10:20:47 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djcfl1:


I think Rubio has agreed to come over on a promise he's getting dealt from Minnesota.

With such a weak draft coming up Minnesota essentially has the top pick in the class with Rubio.


I'd be shocked if that was the case. Rubio's right are still extremely valuable but trading him is a clear admission that Khan effed up in that draft and basically the biggest decision of his GM tenure, and GM's just aren't psychologically built to do that.
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Posted: 6/2/2011 10:21:24 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by RATPACK9921:

but where does that leave them in the draft we already know they are trying to trade the pick to cleveland so if they get the 4 pick what would they do with it since they wouldnt need kemba or brendan who would be there


I think they are targeting Kanter, that was they can run out Rubio--SG--Beasley--Love--Kanter. It appears that Kanter's game would blend well with Love's as well.
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QUOTE Originally Posted by dduukkee:

ya, those two should be fun to watch, i think he will do well, as for the team though, thats a work in progress ..... i have been in the penalty box for a week for some reason so i couldnt get back to you when you said you were from central cali, im from riverside. you familiar with that area? Gl with your play tonight man, although im leaning heat as of right now, keep up the good work.


Yeah for sure man, somewhat familiar with it, went to UCLA undergrad but I've had some work stuff I've had to pop out to Riverside for. Dunno about my play tonight, gonna wait and see what some other people think, will help my thought process
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Posted: 6/2/2011 10:35:23 AM
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Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

Anyone else just super excited to see Rubio come over to the NBA? I've been waiting to see this guy in the best league in the world for YEARS now.


i was excited when i watched him playing well against the states in the olympics but that seems like forever ago... The hype has definitely cooled down since he didnt play after he got drafted.

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Posted: 6/2/2011 10:42:01 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by MoneyShot:

i was excited when i watched him playing well against the states in the olympics but that seems like forever ago... The hype has definitely cooled down since he didnt play after he got drafted.



Man that was such a fun game to watch... he was like 19 at that point if I remember correctly and he did not look out of place at all going against the NBA's best. His hype has cooled down but Europe isn't exactly known as the place for a young player to get a ton of PT (look at Jennings, for example). I think Rubio still has got it but they just play a different game over there in terms of substitution patterns and tempo and what not. An up-tempo league will play right into his hands.
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Posted: 6/2/2011 10:44:33 AM

Besides hype, I dont see him doing much in an NBA. He was a much bigger promise than turned out to be the player. Has played mediocre Spanish Playoff games so far and there are at least 3 better european or american players playing in europe right now.

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Posted: 6/2/2011 10:53:06 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by kaponofor3:



I think they are targeting Kanter, that was they can run out Rubio--SG--Beasley--Love--Kanter. It appears that Kanter's game would blend well with Love's as well.
yeah but thats tough because dont forget they just signed darko to that 5 year 35 million dollar deal and he did play pretty well while being one of the league leaders in blocks i dont know if kahn could justify that signing by having him ride the bench if you know what i mean so i dont know if they get kanter even though they should
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Posted: 6/2/2011 11:36:41 AM

.... can't remember where i read it last week, but the article mentioned how rubio has apparently not improved that much over the last 2 years and has regularily been getting torched by (2nd tier) athletic american point guards playing in europe..... 

... i will post the link to that article if i can find it....

Great news for season team win bettors! .... this is going to jack up the season wins line for the t-wolves.... but guess what, they will still suck!

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Posted: 6/2/2011 12:32:59 PM

He has no choice but to sign with MN.  It's his only ticket to the NBA and if he waits until after July 1st, he takes the chance on the new labor agreement and that would likely mean less money.

I can see MN trading down in the draft because they HAVE to give the Clippers their first round pick next year as part of the Sam Cassell/Jaric deal. 

I could also see them drafting K. Irving and then having too many point guards. 

All that said, what has Rubio done since the 2008 Olympics?  Just about nothing...if anything he has regressed. 

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Posted: 6/2/2011 12:40:18 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

He has no choice but to sign with MN.  It's his only ticket to the NBA and if he waits until after July 1st, he takes the chance on the new labor agreement and that would likely mean less money.

I can see MN trading down in the draft because they HAVE to give the Clippers their first round pick next year as part of the Sam Cassell/Jaric deal. 

I could also see them drafting K. Irving and then having too many point guards. 

All that said, what has Rubio done since the 2008 Olympics?  Just about nothing...if anything he has regressed

that s what i was thinking hutch.  i dont know garbage about european basketball but how the hell do you avg 6 ppg and 3.5 ppg  3 years after you supposed coming out party    something doesnt seem right there.  i mean if westbrook or one these young guys in the nba were in barcelona would that be their avg s too?  this has darko written all over it imo, and their on the same team

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Posted: 6/2/2011 12:57:42 PM
Well the reason he averaged such low numbers is a function of the European system/league he was playing in. Playing time is spread around evenly and even the best/superstar players don't get massive minutes like they do in the NBA, so that probably accounts for a large portion of it. Think back to Jennings in Italy, everyone was crushing him for his play there (or lack thereof) and he ended up being A-OK. I don't think its accurate to say he regressed considering he was playing in a system where he basically had handcuffs on. He's a player that has a game far more suited to the NBA than the European leagues, and I think he'll show that once he gets to the NBA.

Westbrook, for example, in the European leagues would be a COMPLETELY different player. First time he took a bad shot the vast majority of the coaches there would bench his behind, cutting his minutes drastically. Less one on one play in the European leagues for sure, and as a PG, if you don't run the offense the coach likes, you aren't gonna see the floor period, especially if you are a young dude with a lot of hype
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Posted: 6/2/2011 1:01:00 PM
6 points and 3.5 assists though? that doesnt seem right regardless of the style or coaching.  time will tell i guess.  i can understand if  either points or assists being low but both?  i mean the object is to win why hold such a supposed good player back.
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Posted: 6/2/2011 1:01:46 PM
Rubio is overrated, I've seen him play.

He is something like Goran Dragic, not better, not worse.
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Posted: 6/2/2011 1:04:21 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

Anyone else just super excited to see Rubio come over to the NBA? I've been waiting to see this guy in the best league in the world for YEARS now.




Kap, we typically agree on things when I decide to post, but Rubio? I hope and pray you aren't expecting much and buying into the hype.

On this past seasons 2 and 80 Timberwolves team he would physically be (not depth chart due to buzz) the 4th best PG on the team behind Ridnour, Flynn, and Telfair.

He can't even start for his team in Spain, and is currently averaging 6 points per game lol.
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Posted: 6/2/2011 1:07:04 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by badlands:

6 points and 3.5 assists though? that doesnt seem right regardless of the style or coaching.  time will tell i guess.  i can understand if  either points or assists being low but both?  i mean the object is to win why hold such a supposed good player back.


It's just a function of the way the system is over there, bads. Doesn't make much sense to me either but that's how it is. Veterans get most of the PT and the rest is generally evenly distributed amongst all the other players even if you are a teenage superstar or prodigy.
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Posted: 6/2/2011 1:07:52 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by D-Wade:

Rubio is overrated, I've seen him play.

He is something like Goran Dragic, not better, not worse.


I'm sorry, but that's completely ridiculous. I've seen Rubio play too. He'll be far, far better than Dragic.
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Posted: 6/2/2011 1:08:57 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by D-Wade:

Rubio is overrated, I've seen him play.

He is something like Goran Dragic, not better, not worse.




If that is the case, T-wolves fans will be really pissed.
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Posted: 6/2/2011 1:11:01 PM
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Kap, we typically agree on things when I decide to post, but Rubio? I hope and pray you aren't expecting much and buying into the hype.

On this past seasons 2 and 80 Timberwolves team he would physically be (not depth chart due to buzz) the 4th best PG on the team behind Ridnour, Flynn, and Telfair.

He can't even start for his team in Spain, and is currently averaging 6 points per game lol.


I'm not buying into the "hype", I'm buying into what my eyes see. Rubio has a supernatural feel for the game and is a fantastic distributor and passer. Mere athleticism or physicality is not a pre-requisite to play PG in the NBA but it helps. Rubio may not be as fast as those guys, but he is FAR smarter in terms of PG intelligence than Flynn and Bassy for sure. His length will help him early in his career while he is playing "catch up" physically with some of the more established PGs.

You guys are mistakenly looking at his Spanish league experience and team stats through the NBA prism. You can't do that, you have to understand the nature of the European leagues.
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