I don't think you're wrong at all. I just meant you should trust your instincts. The $ is definately on Houston, so I don't see anything funny in the line move.
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I don't think you're wrong at all. I just meant you should trust your instincts. The $ is definately on Houston, so I don't see anything funny in the line move.
Yeah thats what i'm looking for. Though every percetange I look at has Jets... covers 'team experts, covers consensus, vegas insider, every consensus app i have on my phone etc. etc. Not one percentage is in favor of Houston.
I'm just looking to know.
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Yeah thats what i'm looking for. Though every percetange I look at has Jets... covers 'team experts, covers consensus, vegas insider, every consensus app i have on my phone etc. etc. Not one percentage is in favor of Houston.
The way I see it is...the forum is always a good representation of what people who do this everyday are thinking. Let's face it...the Jets are a public team. The %'s are more of a reflection of the sheer volume of bets, or free picks. The people who are researching games clearly don't like the Jets tonight because most of the skill players on offense are sitting out, or not playing long. They also don't like McElroy. So the majority of $ is def on Houston. Personally, I took the +3 & ML. A lof of continuity on the Jets defense, and I think it's deep enough to dominate Houston's backups.
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The way I see it is...the forum is always a good representation of what people who do this everyday are thinking. Let's face it...the Jets are a public team. The %'s are more of a reflection of the sheer volume of bets, or free picks. The people who are researching games clearly don't like the Jets tonight because most of the skill players on offense are sitting out, or not playing long. They also don't like McElroy. So the majority of $ is def on Houston. Personally, I took the +3 & ML. A lof of continuity on the Jets defense, and I think it's deep enough to dominate Houston's backups.
Larry, do you really believe the numbers/percentages the sites like sportsbook.com & sportsinsights put out are correct? I dont.......
No, not necessarily. I think the idea is to gather enough information to try and make the assessment because what I do believe is that spreads are designed to deceive betters. I find the majority of my winning bets are anti-logical or even hard to pull the trigger on... as if the harder decision is what wins. The bottom line is I don't believe the "books" are out to win just the juice and if I can get and edge on who they actually 'want' to win the game I will certainly consider factoring it in.
That said, I now have enough information to assess the money is on Houston. I was going to play them but now I'll just watch.
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Quote Originally Posted by PrimeTimeBoys:
Larry, do you really believe the numbers/percentages the sites like sportsbook.com & sportsinsights put out are correct? I dont.......
No, not necessarily. I think the idea is to gather enough information to try and make the assessment because what I do believe is that spreads are designed to deceive betters. I find the majority of my winning bets are anti-logical or even hard to pull the trigger on... as if the harder decision is what wins. The bottom line is I don't believe the "books" are out to win just the juice and if I can get and edge on who they actually 'want' to win the game I will certainly consider factoring it in.
That said, I now have enough information to assess the money is on Houston. I was going to play them but now I'll just watch.
No, not necessarily. I think the idea is to gather enough information to try and make the assessment because what I do believe is that spreads are designed to deceive betters. I find the majority of my winning bets are anti-logical or even hard to pull the trigger on... as if the harder decision is what wins. The bottom line is I don't believe the "books" are out to win just the juice and if I can get and edge on who they actually 'want' to win the game I will certainly consider factoring it in.
That said, I now have enough information to assess the money is on Houston. I was going to play them but now I'll just watch.
" The bottom line is I don't believe the "books" are out to win just the juice and if I can get and edge on who they actually 'want' to win the game I will certainly consider factoring it in."
Excellent points & I too agree with the above ^^^^ statement very much so..........
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Quote Originally Posted by Larry_Legend:
No, not necessarily. I think the idea is to gather enough information to try and make the assessment because what I do believe is that spreads are designed to deceive betters. I find the majority of my winning bets are anti-logical or even hard to pull the trigger on... as if the harder decision is what wins. The bottom line is I don't believe the "books" are out to win just the juice and if I can get and edge on who they actually 'want' to win the game I will certainly consider factoring it in.
That said, I now have enough information to assess the money is on Houston. I was going to play them but now I'll just watch.
" The bottom line is I don't believe the "books" are out to win just the juice and if I can get and edge on who they actually 'want' to win the game I will certainly consider factoring it in."
Excellent points & I too agree with the above ^^^^ statement very much so..........
My mantra thru college was - do the opposite of the public - and it took a while for me to let that go - because many times it doesn't consitently give you winners. But with the internet and available data you can use that to decide on who to bet. Obviously from a pre season perspective the data you can use is old and last years info. I usually avoid preason because of the lack of no data;however, i decided to bet this year and i use last years data as i would the regular season and i follow patterns (off. passing, off. rushing, def. rishing and passing along with sagarin - rankings). So far this week their have been 6 games where the pattern has been very similar to tonites game( clev, caro, tenn,seattle, denver and wash.) and all of the teams covered. Houston falls under the same pattern - thus I'm going with houston. Gluck all
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My mantra thru college was - do the opposite of the public - and it took a while for me to let that go - because many times it doesn't consitently give you winners. But with the internet and available data you can use that to decide on who to bet. Obviously from a pre season perspective the data you can use is old and last years info. I usually avoid preason because of the lack of no data;however, i decided to bet this year and i use last years data as i would the regular season and i follow patterns (off. passing, off. rushing, def. rishing and passing along with sagarin - rankings). So far this week their have been 6 games where the pattern has been very similar to tonites game( clev, caro, tenn,seattle, denver and wash.) and all of the teams covered. Houston falls under the same pattern - thus I'm going with houston. Gluck all
I use a system based on reverse line movement. Thats really what I was getting at here... trying to identify if I have a play. Public is on Houston... line is moving with Houston... no system play.
Good luck with whatever you guys choose tonight. I will see you in the regular season.
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I use a system based on reverse line movement. Thats really what I was getting at here... trying to identify if I have a play. Public is on Houston... line is moving with Houston... no system play.
Good luck with whatever you guys choose tonight. I will see you in the regular season.
No, not necessarily. I think the idea is to gather enough information to try and make the assessment because what I do believe is that spreads are designed to deceive betters. I find the majority of my winning bets are anti-logical or even hard to pull the trigger on... as if the harder decision is what wins. The bottom line is I don't believe the "books" are out to win just the juice and if I can get and edge on who they actually 'want' to win the game I will certainly consider factoring it in.
That said, I now have enough information to assess the money is on Houston. I was going to play them but now I'll just watch.
After hearing everyone talking about 'balanced books', I finally hear someone that makes real sense to me.
Only issue is that it's still hard to figure out which way they are steering us.
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Quote Originally Posted by Larry_Legend:
No, not necessarily. I think the idea is to gather enough information to try and make the assessment because what I do believe is that spreads are designed to deceive betters. I find the majority of my winning bets are anti-logical or even hard to pull the trigger on... as if the harder decision is what wins. The bottom line is I don't believe the "books" are out to win just the juice and if I can get and edge on who they actually 'want' to win the game I will certainly consider factoring it in.
That said, I now have enough information to assess the money is on Houston. I was going to play them but now I'll just watch.
After hearing everyone talking about 'balanced books', I finally hear someone that makes real sense to me.
Only issue is that it's still hard to figure out which way they are steering us.
After hearing everyone talking about 'balanced books', I finally hear someone that makes real sense to me.
Only issue is that it's still hard to figure out which way they are steering us.
Yeah... well... thats the trick... but its also where the money is so figuring out that trick is worth your time. This is a way bigger industry than juice, anyone wanting to argue that is wasting their time.
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Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:
After hearing everyone talking about 'balanced books', I finally hear someone that makes real sense to me.
Only issue is that it's still hard to figure out which way they are steering us.
Yeah... well... thats the trick... but its also where the money is so figuring out that trick is worth your time. This is a way bigger industry than juice, anyone wanting to argue that is wasting their time.
I use a system based on reverse line movement. Thats really what I was getting at here... trying to identify if I have a play. Public is on Houston... line is moving with Houston... no system play.
Good luck with whatever you guys choose tonight. I will see you in the regular season.
Do you think many or most are on Houston? I would say I think like the public and my senses tell me Jets are the play so I would go opposite of that.
Everyone knows that the Jets have a strong defense that can win games for them and Leinart is trash.
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Quote Originally Posted by Larry_Legend:
I use a system based on reverse line movement. Thats really what I was getting at here... trying to identify if I have a play. Public is on Houston... line is moving with Houston... no system play.
Good luck with whatever you guys choose tonight. I will see you in the regular season.
Do you think many or most are on Houston? I would say I think like the public and my senses tell me Jets are the play so I would go opposite of that.
Everyone knows that the Jets have a strong defense that can win games for them and Leinart is trash.
I'd urge all of you to get off the steering,line changes, public opinion bandwagon - not saying never look at that but come up with stats that truly give you a picture of a game. Recognize you will lose if you did everything according to what is on the paper or simply try to track line movements or what the oddsmakers are trying to get me to do etc. Look at a game and say what really indicates how good a team is on offense and defense, what about if they are playing weak opponents. If you come up with these drivers and then find similar patterns that had a similar line ...follow it and it might result in a similar result. Once again Good Luck - TB
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I'd urge all of you to get off the steering,line changes, public opinion bandwagon - not saying never look at that but come up with stats that truly give you a picture of a game. Recognize you will lose if you did everything according to what is on the paper or simply try to track line movements or what the oddsmakers are trying to get me to do etc. Look at a game and say what really indicates how good a team is on offense and defense, what about if they are playing weak opponents. If you come up with these drivers and then find similar patterns that had a similar line ...follow it and it might result in a similar result. Once again Good Luck - TB
I'd urge all of you to get off the steering,line changes, public opinion bandwagon - not saying never look at that but come up with stats that truly give you a picture of a game. Recognize you will lose if you did everything according to what is on the paper or simply try to track line movements or what the oddsmakers are trying to get me to do etc. Look at a game and say what really indicates how good a team is on offense and defense, what about if they are playing weak opponents. If you come up with these drivers and then find similar patterns that had a similar line ...follow it and it might result in a similar result. Once again Good Luck - TB
Be careful with the axe Eugene.
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Quote Originally Posted by TheBuddah:
I'd urge all of you to get off the steering,line changes, public opinion bandwagon - not saying never look at that but come up with stats that truly give you a picture of a game. Recognize you will lose if you did everything according to what is on the paper or simply try to track line movements or what the oddsmakers are trying to get me to do etc. Look at a game and say what really indicates how good a team is on offense and defense, what about if they are playing weak opponents. If you come up with these drivers and then find similar patterns that had a similar line ...follow it and it might result in a similar result. Once again Good Luck - TB
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