Quote Originally Posted by YoungOne:
I really don't like the giants at all this season. I think Eli is a mediocre qb, toomer is getting old. the other wrs other than burress are all mediocre, brandon jacobs would make a better change of pace back than featured back, bradshaw and ware were flukes last season, no shockey, no osi...these guys will be lucky to be 9-7
pretty weird to call Eli 'mediocre, don't you think...
with Manning as a starter, they went 11-5 and won the division in 05', they went 8-8 when half the team went down in 06' with injuries and still made the playoffs, and they went 10-6 and won the Super Bowl last year.. that's not really mediocre... if you put a real 'mediocre' qb behind center of that team, I'm sure you would not have had those results...
it's funny how Manning has never produced a losing season as a starter and alot of people keep predicting he's going to have one every year (not saying you are)... I figure they do it so that they can look like geniuses if and when it happens... but odds are, it won't this year...
people think without Osi and Strahan they are done.. that's what they thought with Tiki and Luke Petitgout gone last year...
the fact remains that the giants have depth that is very capable of stepping up...
off the bench, Justin Tuck had more sacks than Strahan and was one short of Osi last year... he was also considered for Super Bowl MVP and for the Pro Bowl... that doesn't sound like someone incapable of taking over this defense... I'll take him over most starters that are on other teams right now... and Kiwi led the team in tackles during the span he played before getting hurt... now he's heading back to DE (his original position where he was drafted out of college with the idea of replacing Strahan one day).. now he can..
and as for not being able to do things without Shockey, that's when the team got hot last season and Manning performed his best stats of the year.. when Shockey was out... I'm not saying Boss is better than Shockey, I'm saying Manning was playing better without him... probably more because he didn't have Shockey crying for the ball all the time and giving pressure to force throws to him... either way, the fact remains he did produce better without him...
as for the backs, it doesn't matter who's back there... Jacobs, Ward, Bradshaw, hell, bring tiki back if you want.. the thing is, the O-line has been solid at run blocking and creating holes and those guys have been together as a unit for the last 3 years.. no reason why that changes...
Quote Originally Posted by YoungOne:
9-7 or 8-8 is absolutely possible for these guys

I agree... but so it 10-6 or 11-5 