michael redd is the 3rd most valuable player to the bucks.. he's no star player
It doesn't matter what his true abilities are. Its a perception that matters. A starting guard on an NBA team is ou (and they played like crap w/o him the game before). Did you see the ticker on ESPN as they announced Redd is out for the season. Every causal bettor was salivating at betting PHX at only -9.
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Quote Originally Posted by nbafan88:
michael redd is the 3rd most valuable player to the bucks.. he's no star player
It doesn't matter what his true abilities are. Its a perception that matters. A starting guard on an NBA team is ou (and they played like crap w/o him the game before). Did you see the ticker on ESPN as they announced Redd is out for the season. Every causal bettor was salivating at betting PHX at only -9.
if this "system" really worked, you would be keeping it to yourself and just tell your close friends and family. It doesn't work, that's why you will never post any plays in here. Cause you would be embarassed if you post plays and you hit 33%. Post some plays using this "system". I bet you won't cause everyone will see how horrible this "system" is.
The problem is I don't feel the need to prove anything to you or anyone else. I can tell you I love Sac tonight but not at the number. I will root for them to be down by 4 or more points and will take them 2nd half for sure so that is one play I will be on if the situation dictates itself. I will be taking the under on LAL game as I have done so for the past couple years. Spurs really play a much quicker pace than ever before in the Duncan era but with the number being what it is, it looks like it will go over rather easy. If you add up what both teams are averaging home away its at 200. Too many on the over here for my likes so give me the under in this spot. Doesn't mean I won't be on something later though. I never rush or panic. I have given out advice before in baseball much like this and I don't see it changing the lines or any sportsbooks profits. This thread has reached maybe only 1500 people which is probably less than 1% of the gambling population in the NBA so you don't have to feel threatened.
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Quote Originally Posted by SolidCapper:
if this "system" really worked, you would be keeping it to yourself and just tell your close friends and family. It doesn't work, that's why you will never post any plays in here. Cause you would be embarassed if you post plays and you hit 33%. Post some plays using this "system". I bet you won't cause everyone will see how horrible this "system" is.
The problem is I don't feel the need to prove anything to you or anyone else. I can tell you I love Sac tonight but not at the number. I will root for them to be down by 4 or more points and will take them 2nd half for sure so that is one play I will be on if the situation dictates itself. I will be taking the under on LAL game as I have done so for the past couple years. Spurs really play a much quicker pace than ever before in the Duncan era but with the number being what it is, it looks like it will go over rather easy. If you add up what both teams are averaging home away its at 200. Too many on the over here for my likes so give me the under in this spot. Doesn't mean I won't be on something later though. I never rush or panic. I have given out advice before in baseball much like this and I don't see it changing the lines or any sportsbooks profits. This thread has reached maybe only 1500 people which is probably less than 1% of the gambling population in the NBA so you don't have to feel threatened.
One last thing SolidCapper, I hate the word system which means you have to play something if it falls into the system which is the last thing I do. You obviously have not heard me say 20 times to pick your spots. This is not a system, it is more of a situational play than anything. I have also been gambling this way for the past 13 years and anything I type to help people will only help a few as most will forget what I have typed and do it their way anyhow. You obviously feel very threatened because you really hate this thread so you should just ignore it and it will go away.
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One last thing SolidCapper, I hate the word system which means you have to play something if it falls into the system which is the last thing I do. You obviously have not heard me say 20 times to pick your spots. This is not a system, it is more of a situational play than anything. I have also been gambling this way for the past 13 years and anything I type to help people will only help a few as most will forget what I have typed and do it their way anyhow. You obviously feel very threatened because you really hate this thread so you should just ignore it and it will go away.
It doesn't matter what his true abilities are. Its a perception that matters. A starting guard on an NBA team is ou (and they played like crap w/o him the game before). Did you see the ticker on ESPN as they announced Redd is out for the season. Every causal bettor was salivating at betting PHX at only -9.
After the Bucks covered the +9, now you point this out. Before the game, you were like "he's not a star player", basically insinuating to the other covers user to not play the game, cause the player is insignificant. If you told him to play the game, you would've gained more credibility.
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Quote Originally Posted by CallMeBruce:
It doesn't matter what his true abilities are. Its a perception that matters. A starting guard on an NBA team is ou (and they played like crap w/o him the game before). Did you see the ticker on ESPN as they announced Redd is out for the season. Every causal bettor was salivating at betting PHX at only -9.
After the Bucks covered the +9, now you point this out. Before the game, you were like "he's not a star player", basically insinuating to the other covers user to not play the game, cause the player is insignificant. If you told him to play the game, you would've gained more credibility.
After the Bucks covered the +9, now you point this out. Before the game, you were like "he's not a star player", basically insinuating to the other covers user to not play the game, cause the player is insignificant. If you told him to play the game, you would've gained more credibility.
Huh??? I just said that MIL was the play, except I didn't have the balls to bet it.
QUOTE Originally Posted by cisco:
Star player out:
Michael Redd not expected to play Monday against the Suns. (Injured left knee.)
Milwaukee +9 -104 ?
Yup,
that would be a play for me. And they played like crapola yesterday
which only reinforces public preception of how bad they are.
But the question now is, Do I have the BALLS to bet it.
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Quote Originally Posted by SolidCapper:
After the Bucks covered the +9, now you point this out. Before the game, you were like "he's not a star player", basically insinuating to the other covers user to not play the game, cause the player is insignificant. If you told him to play the game, you would've gained more credibility.
Huh??? I just said that MIL was the play, except I didn't have the balls to bet it.
QUOTE Originally Posted by cisco:
Star player out:
Michael Redd not expected to play Monday against the Suns. (Injured left knee.)
Milwaukee +9 -104 ?
Yup,
that would be a play for me. And they played like crapola yesterday
which only reinforces public preception of how bad they are.
But the question now is, Do I have the BALLS to bet it.
SolidCapper: Go through and look at how many games are covered after a starter goes out (the very next game). It doesn't always work but it works enough for me. But sometimes its hard to bet a team when their leading scorer is gonna sit. I'm thinking (like probably everyone else), How the F they gonna make up 25 points and 6 asst and 35 minutes.... But the replacements do enough to cover (again this is not a 100%)...
If Wade can't go for MIA, look to bet them...
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SolidCapper: Go through and look at how many games are covered after a starter goes out (the very next game). It doesn't always work but it works enough for me. But sometimes its hard to bet a team when their leading scorer is gonna sit. I'm thinking (like probably everyone else), How the F they gonna make up 25 points and 6 asst and 35 minutes.... But the replacements do enough to cover (again this is not a 100%)...
As for Football, look at the NC game. AS soon as McCoy got hurt, I couldn't wait to bet Texas at half. Came out Texas+7.5 but moved to + +9.5. Anyhow, Good Luck capping. I just think you should have this "angle" in your quiver.
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As for Football, look at the NC game. AS soon as McCoy got hurt, I couldn't wait to bet Texas at half. Came out Texas+7.5 but moved to + +9.5. Anyhow, Good Luck capping. I just think you should have this "angle" in your quiver.
So basically if you used this in the NFL this past weekend, you would've been 0-2 with the Bengals and Patriots which basically means you lost a ton of $$.
Shut up with your NFL examples, 165 is refering to the NBA, the same angles and trends don't apply to other sports retard...Tom brady being injured for the Pats doesn't mean his back up is going to step up and play better...you can't compare these sports
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Quote Originally Posted by SolidCapper:
So basically if you used this in the NFL this past weekend, you would've been 0-2 with the Bengals and Patriots which basically means you lost a ton of $$.
Shut up with your NFL examples, 165 is refering to the NBA, the same angles and trends don't apply to other sports retard...Tom brady being injured for the Pats doesn't mean his back up is going to step up and play better...you can't compare these sports
I write down all the games for the week on one sheet of paper. Tues-Mon is my bettin week. I make the list in advance and pick 1-3 games on each day for the week without the line. So ill have anywhere from 7-21 leans before lines come out.
I will then make my own line on the game before i look at real lines for that day. If my line is more than a point off i wont play it. Then i pick 1-3 games that i really like then try to figure out what my gut is tellling and pick make one final bet.
always look at the box scores, understand matchups and situations... keep it simple...personally i never use trends they mess with my head.... i will only look at the teams present ATS record and their W/L SU
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I write down all the games for the week on one sheet of paper. Tues-Mon is my bettin week. I make the list in advance and pick 1-3 games on each day for the week without the line. So ill have anywhere from 7-21 leans before lines come out.
I will then make my own line on the game before i look at real lines for that day. If my line is more than a point off i wont play it. Then i pick 1-3 games that i really like then try to figure out what my gut is tellling and pick make one final bet.
always look at the box scores, understand matchups and situations... keep it simple...personally i never use trends they mess with my head.... i will only look at the teams present ATS record and their W/L SU
165yds, if the info you presented ONLY pertains to betting NBA 2nd halves, I won't argue ANY points, as I don't have much knowledge in that area. But if you applying these rules to NBA game or first half wagers or other sports, I have several issues with your post.
Either way, thanks for putting in a lot of thought and sharing some of your gambling ideas. I have many, but it would take too long to fit on one page.
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165yds, if the info you presented ONLY pertains to betting NBA 2nd halves, I won't argue ANY points, as I don't have much knowledge in that area. But if you applying these rules to NBA game or first half wagers or other sports, I have several issues with your post.
Either way, thanks for putting in a lot of thought and sharing some of your gambling ideas. I have many, but it would take too long to fit on one page.
The MOST important aspect of my handicapping ball games is to get an opening line and follow the movement. I'll gladly take 1/2 or 1 point less by waiting to bet, as late movement or lack thereof is another crucial piece to the puzzle.
That being said, if you just bet based on line shifts, you are a fool. It is just one of SEVERAL factors I ALWAYS incorporate into my handicapping.
I also believe that you have to look for teams that are not playing up to par and fade teams that are playing well IF you think the situation dictates it. I follow the philosophy that you are not as bad or good as your last few games. That is why computers are overrated in capping: they don't factor in a team's mindset at that moment. It is up to you, with some research, to determine what each team's mental state SHOULD be based on their play and schedule.
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The MOST important aspect of my handicapping ball games is to get an opening line and follow the movement. I'll gladly take 1/2 or 1 point less by waiting to bet, as late movement or lack thereof is another crucial piece to the puzzle.
That being said, if you just bet based on line shifts, you are a fool. It is just one of SEVERAL factors I ALWAYS incorporate into my handicapping.
I also believe that you have to look for teams that are not playing up to par and fade teams that are playing well IF you think the situation dictates it. I follow the philosophy that you are not as bad or good as your last few games. That is why computers are overrated in capping: they don't factor in a team's mindset at that moment. It is up to you, with some research, to determine what each team's mental state SHOULD be based on their play and schedule.
Also, I firmly believe that after thorough research, you should isolate your picks to 1 solid play a day and bet HEAVY on it. And also do not be afraid to PASS if nothing looks good on the schedule. There is always going to many more games to choose from on another day. For example, if you are winning some money and PASS on a full NFL or NBA card on a given day because nothing looks bettable, you are disciplined enough to maybe be one of the few to win money handicapping in the long run.
I first look for an underdog to bet, then a small favorite, then lastly consider a totals play in football or baseball only. Basketball totals are whacked, and I never had any long-term success betting them. To follow up on an earlier point, if you were taking bets, would you rather have someone betting 5 games/day at $50 or 1 game/day at $250? The first guy has NO shot of winning in the long run, as the juice will destroy him.
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Also, I firmly believe that after thorough research, you should isolate your picks to 1 solid play a day and bet HEAVY on it. And also do not be afraid to PASS if nothing looks good on the schedule. There is always going to many more games to choose from on another day. For example, if you are winning some money and PASS on a full NFL or NBA card on a given day because nothing looks bettable, you are disciplined enough to maybe be one of the few to win money handicapping in the long run.
I first look for an underdog to bet, then a small favorite, then lastly consider a totals play in football or baseball only. Basketball totals are whacked, and I never had any long-term success betting them. To follow up on an earlier point, if you were taking bets, would you rather have someone betting 5 games/day at $50 or 1 game/day at $250? The first guy has NO shot of winning in the long run, as the juice will destroy him.
Also, I used to hate paying 1.20 or even 1.15 juice. But, If a line moves from 3' to 4, I would much rather have the extra juice of +4 -20. A favorite of 4 -20 or 4 -25 is similar to 4'. And a full point jump from the opening line of 3' is not preferred by me. I want to see SMALL line movement OPPOSITE of who I like. It all may seem odd, but this has been working very well for me lately.
Equally odd is that I analyze games backwards from common handicappers. I analyze line movement before even looking at a game. Then if it draws my attention, I will research the matchup for usually NO LONGER than 10 minutes. Overanalyzing is just as bad as not analyzing. And I also try to find at least one reason why I would bet EITHER side. And I try to come up with at least 2 or 3 reasons to back my side. Otherwise, the bet looks too easy, and they never are. You then are basically saying the oddsmakers are stupid, and that is obviously not the case.
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Also, I used to hate paying 1.20 or even 1.15 juice. But, If a line moves from 3' to 4, I would much rather have the extra juice of +4 -20. A favorite of 4 -20 or 4 -25 is similar to 4'. And a full point jump from the opening line of 3' is not preferred by me. I want to see SMALL line movement OPPOSITE of who I like. It all may seem odd, but this has been working very well for me lately.
Equally odd is that I analyze games backwards from common handicappers. I analyze line movement before even looking at a game. Then if it draws my attention, I will research the matchup for usually NO LONGER than 10 minutes. Overanalyzing is just as bad as not analyzing. And I also try to find at least one reason why I would bet EITHER side. And I try to come up with at least 2 or 3 reasons to back my side. Otherwise, the bet looks too easy, and they never are. You then are basically saying the oddsmakers are stupid, and that is obviously not the case.
Another reason why I wait till close to gametime to bet is that any big late movement happens for a reason, and usually it is due to a player sitting out that I would not have known about otherwise. Unless it is a late night game where the lines have already moved for the most part, and I am going to a bar, I rarely bet a game early.
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Another reason why I wait till close to gametime to bet is that any big late movement happens for a reason, and usually it is due to a player sitting out that I would not have known about otherwise. Unless it is a late night game where the lines have already moved for the most part, and I am going to a bar, I rarely bet a game early.
Shut up with your NFL examples, 165 is refering to the NBA, the same angles and trends don't apply to other sports retard...Tom brady being injured for the Pats doesn't mean his back up is going to step up and play better...you can't compare these sports
Why don't u just stop gambling, instead of writing stupid posts like this, ok???
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Quote Originally Posted by Michfan15:
Shut up with your NFL examples, 165 is refering to the NBA, the same angles and trends don't apply to other sports retard...Tom brady being injured for the Pats doesn't mean his back up is going to step up and play better...you can't compare these sports
Why don't u just stop gambling, instead of writing stupid posts like this, ok???
165yds, if the info you presented ONLY pertains to betting NBA 2nd halves, I won't argue ANY points, as I don't have much knowledge in that area. But if you applying these rules to NBA game or first half wagers or other sports, I have several issues with your post.
Either way, thanks for putting in a lot of thought and sharing some of your gambling ideas. I have many, but it would take too long to fit on one page.
These rules are for the NBA, I simply said to watch the other sports to get a better feel. Please don't bring up other sports.
The star player angle and I think some are getting mixed up about is the perception has to be how are they going to replace 18,8,6. If Melo was playing but say BIllups (Allstar type) was out than I would take the Nuggets. This would only cause the line to move say 1 to 1.5 points but the perception would be they aren't covering tonight.
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Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:
165yds, if the info you presented ONLY pertains to betting NBA 2nd halves, I won't argue ANY points, as I don't have much knowledge in that area. But if you applying these rules to NBA game or first half wagers or other sports, I have several issues with your post.
Either way, thanks for putting in a lot of thought and sharing some of your gambling ideas. I have many, but it would take too long to fit on one page.
These rules are for the NBA, I simply said to watch the other sports to get a better feel. Please don't bring up other sports.
The star player angle and I think some are getting mixed up about is the perception has to be how are they going to replace 18,8,6. If Melo was playing but say BIllups (Allstar type) was out than I would take the Nuggets. This would only cause the line to move say 1 to 1.5 points but the perception would be they aren't covering tonight.
The MOST important aspect of my handicapping ball games is to get an opening line and follow the movement. I'll gladly take 1/2 or 1 point less by waiting to bet, as late movement or lack thereof is another crucial piece to the puzzle.
That being said, if you just bet based on line shifts, you are a fool. It is just one of SEVERAL factors I ALWAYS incorporate into my handicapping.
I also believe that you have to look for teams that are not playing up to par and fade teams that are playing well IF you think the situation dictates it. I follow the philosophy that you are not as bad or good as your last few games. That is why computers are overrated in capping: they don't factor in a team's mindset at that moment. It is up to you, with some research, to determine what each team's mental state SHOULD be based on their play and schedule.
I agree with most of what you said in your first sentence but combine that with perception and agree with the second sentence. The third I don't, most research and studying is BS. If you spend 1 hour researching a game or fifteen minutes the odds of you winning don't go up as much as you would to believe. Overthinking is what kills a lot of gamblers and they confuse themselves. Think long think wrong.
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Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:
The MOST important aspect of my handicapping ball games is to get an opening line and follow the movement. I'll gladly take 1/2 or 1 point less by waiting to bet, as late movement or lack thereof is another crucial piece to the puzzle.
That being said, if you just bet based on line shifts, you are a fool. It is just one of SEVERAL factors I ALWAYS incorporate into my handicapping.
I also believe that you have to look for teams that are not playing up to par and fade teams that are playing well IF you think the situation dictates it. I follow the philosophy that you are not as bad or good as your last few games. That is why computers are overrated in capping: they don't factor in a team's mindset at that moment. It is up to you, with some research, to determine what each team's mental state SHOULD be based on their play and schedule.
I agree with most of what you said in your first sentence but combine that with perception and agree with the second sentence. The third I don't, most research and studying is BS. If you spend 1 hour researching a game or fifteen minutes the odds of you winning don't go up as much as you would to believe. Overthinking is what kills a lot of gamblers and they confuse themselves. Think long think wrong.
Also, I firmly believe that after thorough research, you should isolate your picks to 1 solid play a day and bet HEAVY on it. And also do not be afraid to PASS if nothing looks good on the schedule. There is always going to many more games to choose from on another day. For example, if you are winning some money and PASS on a full NFL or NBA card on a given day because nothing looks bettable, you are disciplined enough to maybe be one of the few to win money handicapping in the long run.
If you saw yesterday I took only the under in SA and won, couldnt take Sac 2nd half since they were up. The other day I went 3-1. There should never be a mindset well I can only bet one game a day. Some days I bet zero games or 1 game or six games (most would be 2nd half). It's where the value lies not isolating one game and saying thats it.
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Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:
Also, I firmly believe that after thorough research, you should isolate your picks to 1 solid play a day and bet HEAVY on it. And also do not be afraid to PASS if nothing looks good on the schedule. There is always going to many more games to choose from on another day. For example, if you are winning some money and PASS on a full NFL or NBA card on a given day because nothing looks bettable, you are disciplined enough to maybe be one of the few to win money handicapping in the long run.
If you saw yesterday I took only the under in SA and won, couldnt take Sac 2nd half since they were up. The other day I went 3-1. There should never be a mindset well I can only bet one game a day. Some days I bet zero games or 1 game or six games (most would be 2nd half). It's where the value lies not isolating one game and saying thats it.
Also, I used to hate paying 1.20 or even 1.15 juice. But, If a line moves from 3' to 4, I would much rather have the extra juice of +4 -20. A favorite of 4 -20 or 4 -25 is similar to 4'. And a full point jump from the opening line of 3' is not preferred by me. I want to see SMALL line movement OPPOSITE of who I like. It all may seem odd, but this has been working very well for me lately.
This is wrong and here's why. There's a very fine line between a winning gambler and a losing one. That vig is what kills most of them. It's tough enough to win one game at -110, now you want to add -120. Now over the coarse of a 100 bets you now have to hit at a much higher rate to show a profit. I read where someone told me to just double my wager on GS the other day with the points instead of taking ML. The reason you have to bet ML dogs and find winners is to offset that juice. This is what most of you are missing. I don't know many good gamblers that win just taking -110 games and winning. It's never a good idea to lay anything more than -110 let alone -125 and I don't care what the line is. Why not simply pass, your telling me you can't find another game you like just as much in the future without laying the juice. Always think how would I do if I placed this exact same wager 100 times to show a profit, this is one of the first steps to understanding and finding value.
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Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:
Also, I used to hate paying 1.20 or even 1.15 juice. But, If a line moves from 3' to 4, I would much rather have the extra juice of +4 -20. A favorite of 4 -20 or 4 -25 is similar to 4'. And a full point jump from the opening line of 3' is not preferred by me. I want to see SMALL line movement OPPOSITE of who I like. It all may seem odd, but this has been working very well for me lately.
This is wrong and here's why. There's a very fine line between a winning gambler and a losing one. That vig is what kills most of them. It's tough enough to win one game at -110, now you want to add -120. Now over the coarse of a 100 bets you now have to hit at a much higher rate to show a profit. I read where someone told me to just double my wager on GS the other day with the points instead of taking ML. The reason you have to bet ML dogs and find winners is to offset that juice. This is what most of you are missing. I don't know many good gamblers that win just taking -110 games and winning. It's never a good idea to lay anything more than -110 let alone -125 and I don't care what the line is. Why not simply pass, your telling me you can't find another game you like just as much in the future without laying the juice. Always think how would I do if I placed this exact same wager 100 times to show a profit, this is one of the first steps to understanding and finding value.
Another reason why I wait till close to gametime to bet is that any big late movement happens for a reason, and usually it is due to a player sitting out that I would not have known about otherwise. Unless it is a late night game where the lines have already moved for the most part, and I am going to a bar, I rarely bet a game early.
A good line is 60/40 fav to dog. That is what the books want. Now the reason the line goes down a good time is the fact sharps wait right before game time to place their bets hoping to get the best line while the line goes up. Sharps are the ones that move the line, everyone else simply helps them balance everything out. That is the thought process behind it. You think the books would be scared of a bad gambler laying down 10 grand right before the game or someone who wins constantly laying down say 5 grand. More times than not its the sharps that move lines not money. Please don't start betting games only for that reason though.
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Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:
Another reason why I wait till close to gametime to bet is that any big late movement happens for a reason, and usually it is due to a player sitting out that I would not have known about otherwise. Unless it is a late night game where the lines have already moved for the most part, and I am going to a bar, I rarely bet a game early.
A good line is 60/40 fav to dog. That is what the books want. Now the reason the line goes down a good time is the fact sharps wait right before game time to place their bets hoping to get the best line while the line goes up. Sharps are the ones that move the line, everyone else simply helps them balance everything out. That is the thought process behind it. You think the books would be scared of a bad gambler laying down 10 grand right before the game or someone who wins constantly laying down say 5 grand. More times than not its the sharps that move lines not money. Please don't start betting games only for that reason though.
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