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    Why Winning Is Really Losing (Article) By Bryce Bell

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    Why Winning Is Really Losing

    In an industry filled with records, percentages and trends, we are up front and personal with streaks each and every day. Streaks are a vital part of gambling. The only guarantee in sports betting is a losing streak taking place somewhere in your week, month or season. It has to happen; no one wins day after day consistently over a long term. The biggest key to success is being able to handle the streak and not let them get to you. You have to ignore the urge to chase and always bet within your bankroll. If a losing streak bothers you, and forces you to bump your bet to try "make back" your losses, odds are your betting too much per game. Adjust your bet per game amount to the point where a loss doesn’t eat you up inside. Turn your betting into investing. Don’t aim for a good day, or week or month, but aim for a good season.

    Here is an interesting fact I discovered in my research. If you are like me, you play on average 2-5 plays a day, roughly 20-25 a week and aim to cash 55% of those bets. With football season it usually means playing the Thursday/Friday night game with 5-8 games each on Saturday and Sunday then playing the Monday Night Game to finish it off. Somewhere in there we have 4-6 basketball plays as well making the average per week at 4 a day.

    The probability of winning all four games on a given day is 9.25%. Winning 3 of 4 is 30%. Splitting 2-2 is a 36.75%, hitting one of four is a 20% shot and going 0 for on the day is a 4% chance. Looking at that information, the chances of having a winning day (4-0 or 3-1) is just only a 39.25%. So if you end up hitting 55% at the end of the season, 60% of the days in the season will in fact be losing days.

    Keep in mind these calculations DO NOT apply to those who chase or have a fluctuating bet size. If you change the amount you wager each game then you’re making it nearly impossible to hit at the all mighty 55% rate long term. If you were to have a magical 60% season, you would lose 53% of the days you bet. This is why so many people go broke betting sports. They see more losing days then they do winning days and try to flip that script around. Chasing and doubling down is the demise to nearly 90% of gamblers at one point in a NFL season. Realize your bankroll will ONLY be at a new high on average once every 15 days. With the vig the way it is, winning is literally about losing less, not winning more. The key is to minimize the losing streaks, keep the bet size the same and wait out for the winning streak.

    I have had an average start to the NFL season (10-8). The record is not glamorous or flashy, but I have kept consistent with my bet size and practiced strict money management. At the rate I am going I will profit roughly one game per week. Assuming my bet size is $100, I will profit $1700 off a $15000 (150 games) investment. That makes my R.O.I. 11.30% over a 6 month period. Considering an average stocks performance is graded over a 12 month period I will put my average to the same time period. That will gives me a 12 month R.O.I. of 22.60%, more than double the average 10% stock return.

    It may not be pretty, but here again I show how keeping your head on your shoulders and practicing strict money management over a long term period will pay off.

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    Why Winning Is Really Losing

    In an industry filled with records, percentages and trends, we are up front and personal with streaks each and every day. Streaks are a vital part of gambling. The only guarantee in sports betting is a losing streak taking place somewhere in your week, month or season. It has to happen; no one wins day after day consistently over a long term. The biggest key to success is being able to handle the streak and not let them get to you. You have to ignore the urge to chase and always bet within your bankroll. If a losing streak bothers you, and forces you to bump your bet to try "make back" your losses, odds are your betting too much per game. Adjust your bet per game amount to the point where a loss doesn’t eat you up inside. Turn your betting into investing. Don’t aim for a good day, or week or month, but aim for a good season.

    Here is an interesting fact I discovered in my research. If you are like me, you play on average 2-5 plays a day, roughly 20-25 a week and aim to cash 55% of those bets. With football season it usually means playing the Thursday/Friday night game with 5-8 games each on Saturday and Sunday then playing the Monday Night Game to finish it off. Somewhere in there we have 4-6 basketball plays as well making the average per week at 4 a day.

    The probability of winning all four games on a given day is 9.25%. Winning 3 of 4 is 30%. Splitting 2-2 is a 36.75%, hitting one of four is a 20% shot and going 0 for on the day is a 4% chance. Looking at that information, the chances of having a winning day (4-0 or 3-1) is just only a 39.25%. So if you end up hitting 55% at the end of the season, 60% of the days in the season will in fact be losing days.

    Keep in mind these calculations DO NOT apply to those who chase or have a fluctuating bet size. If you change the amount you wager each game then you’re making it nearly impossible to hit at the all mighty 55% rate long term. If you were to have a magical 60% season, you would lose 53% of the days you bet. This is why so many people go broke betting sports. They see more losing days then they do winning days and try to flip that script around. Chasing and doubling down is the demise to nearly 90% of gamblers at one point in a NFL season. Realize your bankroll will ONLY be at a new high on average once every 15 days. With the vig the way it is, winning is literally about losing less, not winning more. The key is to minimize the losing streaks, keep the bet size the same and wait out for the winning streak.

    I have had an average start to the NFL season (10-8). The record is not glamorous or flashy, but I have kept consistent with my bet size and practiced strict money management. At the rate I am going I will profit roughly one game per week. Assuming my bet size is $100, I will profit $1700 off a $15000 (150 games) investment. That makes my R.O.I. 11.30% over a 6 month period. Considering an average stocks performance is graded over a 12 month period I will put my average to the same time period. That will gives me a 12 month R.O.I. of 22.60%, more than double the average 10% stock return.

    It may not be pretty, but here again I show how keeping your head on your shoulders and practicing strict money management over a long term period will pay off.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2010 - 5:36 PM ET #2

    Thanks for the <kaution> 
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2010 - 5:40 PM ET #3

    where and who  did you cut and paste this from
    BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
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    where and who  did you cut and paste this from
     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2010 - 5:41 PM ET #4

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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2010 - 5:41 PM ET #5

    Read this two years ago. You really need to stop passing off someone else's research. GL
    The pen is mightier than the pigs
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    Read this two years ago. You really need to stop passing off someone else's research. GL
     
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    atleast credit the source
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2010 - 5:45 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by barneybeans:

    Read this two years ago. You really need to stop passing off someone else's research. GL

    He may have changed one word.

    Then Bryce can honestly say he didn't copy it word-for-word and his conscience will be clear 

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    Quote Originally Posted by barneybeans:

    Read this two years ago. You really need to stop passing off someone else's research. GL

    He may have changed one word.

    Then Bryce can honestly say he didn't copy it word-for-word and his conscience will be clear 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2010 - 6:00 PM ET #9

    This is my own original work as is all my material. This particular article is based on using a concept which was discovered long before any of our times. I will take the plagiarism comments as a compliment.

    Thank you for the feedback.

     

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    This is my own original work as is all my material. This particular article is based on using a concept which was discovered long before any of our times. I will take the plagiarism comments as a compliment.

    Thank you for the feedback.

     

     
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    None of this long winded rant applies to your handicapping whatsoever. The best you can offer is a 10-8 NFL record. Your college football record is abysmal you played a whopping 10 games last Saturday and went 3-7. You are well below .500 on that platform.

    You have been in full chase mode since you started playing here admitting after the Dallas loss last weekend that you "took a shot" and lost.

    You are a below average handicapper, Some of the college plays posted last weekend were among the most poorly researched plays ever posted here.
     
    Your extremely long winded and plagiarized rants do not apply to your own capping skills. You don't appear to have any. You have been here several weeks and have yet to make one red cent.
     
    It is a no small wonder that the only interest here is shown be the usual army of just joined thread bumpers or other long time members who have taken offense to your obvious agenda.

    You have not shown anything here that has not been widely available in just about any amateur posters offering. A little money management 101 and 50% handicapping record at best is a common commodity on this and just about any handicapping forum.

    Your rants and plays are of no consequence whatsoever to anyone but the feeble minded newbie. It is a damn good thing you may not be a tout, there is not one thing here worth a dime, nor available without all the pomp and circumstance that comes with your offerings.



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    None of this long winded rant applies to your handicapping whatsoever. The best you can offer is a 10-8 NFL record. Your college football record is abysmal you played a whopping 10 games last Saturday and went 3-7. You are well below .500 on that platform.

    You have been in full chase mode since you started playing here admitting after the Dallas loss last weekend that you "took a shot" and lost.

    You are a below average handicapper, Some of the college plays posted last weekend were among the most poorly researched plays ever posted here.
     
    Your extremely long winded and plagiarized rants do not apply to your own capping skills. You don't appear to have any. You have been here several weeks and have yet to make one red cent.
     
    It is a no small wonder that the only interest here is shown be the usual army of just joined thread bumpers or other long time members who have taken offense to your obvious agenda.

    You have not shown anything here that has not been widely available in just about any amateur posters offering. A little money management 101 and 50% handicapping record at best is a common commodity on this and just about any handicapping forum.

    Your rants and plays are of no consequence whatsoever to anyone but the feeble minded newbie. It is a damn good thing you may not be a tout, there is not one thing here worth a dime, nor available without all the pomp and circumstance that comes with your offerings.



     
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    billysink!  Both barrels, bro!  Get 'em!!
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    The probability of winning all four games on a given day is 9.25%. Winning 3 of 4 is 30%. Splitting 2-2 is a 36.75%, hitting one of four is a 20% shot and going 0 for on the day is a 4% chance.

     

    Really?

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    The probability of winning all four games on a given day is 9.25%. Winning 3 of 4 is 30%. Splitting 2-2 is a 36.75%, hitting one of four is a 20% shot and going 0 for on the day is a 4% chance.

     

    Really?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by billysink:

    None of this long winded rant applies to your handicapping whatsoever. The best you can offer is a 10-8 NFL record. Your college football record is abysmal you played a whopping 10 games last Saturday and went 3-7. You are well below .500 on that platform.

    You have been in full chase mode since you started playing here admitting after the Dallas loss last weekend that you "took a shot" and lost.

    You are a below average handicapper, Some of the college plays posted last weekend were among the most poorly researched plays ever posted here.
     
    Your extremely long winded and plagiarized rants do not apply to your own capping skills. You don't appear to have any. You have been here several weeks and have yet to make one red cent.
     
    It is a no small wonder that the only interest here is shown be the usual army of just joined thread bumpers or other long time members who have taken offense to your obvious agenda.

    You have not shown anything here that has not been widely available in just about any amateur posters offering. A little money management 101 and 50% handicapping record at best is a common commodity on this and just about any handicapping forum.

    Your rants and plays are of no consequence whatsoever to anyone but the feeble minded newbie. It is a damn good thing you may not be a tout, there is not one thing here worth a dime, nor available without all the pomp and circumstance that comes with your offerings.



    I Agree with everything Above

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    Quote Originally Posted by billysink:

    None of this long winded rant applies to your handicapping whatsoever. The best you can offer is a 10-8 NFL record. Your college football record is abysmal you played a whopping 10 games last Saturday and went 3-7. You are well below .500 on that platform.

    You have been in full chase mode since you started playing here admitting after the Dallas loss last weekend that you "took a shot" and lost.

    You are a below average handicapper, Some of the college plays posted last weekend were among the most poorly researched plays ever posted here.
     
    Your extremely long winded and plagiarized rants do not apply to your own capping skills. You don't appear to have any. You have been here several weeks and have yet to make one red cent.
     
    It is a no small wonder that the only interest here is shown be the usual army of just joined thread bumpers or other long time members who have taken offense to your obvious agenda.

    You have not shown anything here that has not been widely available in just about any amateur posters offering. A little money management 101 and 50% handicapping record at best is a common commodity on this and just about any handicapping forum.

    Your rants and plays are of no consequence whatsoever to anyone but the feeble minded newbie. It is a damn good thing you may not be a tout, there is not one thing here worth a dime, nor available without all the pomp and circumstance that comes with your offerings.



    I Agree with everything Above

     
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    I think he meant those will be your winning percentages if you're a 55% win capper otherwise going 4-0 and 0-4 would be the same percentage.
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    I think he meant those will be your winning percentages if you're a 55% win capper otherwise going 4-0 and 0-4 would be the same percentage.
     
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    With all due respect, what is your formula to recieve going 4-0 is a 9.25% and 0-4 being a 4% chance??
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    With all due respect, what is your formula to recieve going 4-0 is a 9.25% and 0-4 being a 4% chance??
     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2010 - 8:02 PM ET #16

    as do i
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    as do i
     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2010 - 8:05 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by LifeIsGood1122:

    With all due respect, what is your formula to recieve going 4-0 is a 9.25% and 0-4 being a 4% chance??


    He assumes he wins 55% of his bets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LifeIsGood1122:

    With all due respect, what is your formula to recieve going 4-0 is a 9.25% and 0-4 being a 4% chance??


    He assumes he wins 55% of his bets.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2010 - 8:10 PM ET #18

    The ONLY way to win in gambling is, have you heard the saying,' Less is More'. Play 1 game in MLB and NBA a day, and around 6 in NCAAF on Saturday,  and 1-2 in NFL. The BIGGEST problem is people, including yourself, play waaaaaaaaaaaay too many games. Thank You
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    The ONLY way to win in gambling is, have you heard the saying,' Less is More'. Play 1 game in MLB and NBA a day, and around 6 in NCAAF on Saturday,  and 1-2 in NFL. The BIGGEST problem is people, including yourself, play waaaaaaaaaaaay too many games. Thank You
     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2010 - 8:12 PM ET #19

    You and your %'s. Here's one for you. If you play 1 game a day, you have of 50/50 of winning or losing it.
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    You and your %'s. Here's one for you. If you play 1 game a day, you have of 50/50 of winning or losing it.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2010 - 8:34 PM ET #20

    65% since beginning of July is a below average handicapper? News to me...
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    65% since beginning of July is a below average handicapper? News to me...
     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2010 - 12:37 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

    You and your %'s. Here's one for you. If you play 1 game a day, you have of 50/50 of winning or losing it.

    Like drawiing to a gut shot straight flush. It is 50/50. Either it comes, or it don't 

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

    You and your %'s. Here's one for you. If you play 1 game a day, you have of 50/50 of winning or losing it.

    Like drawiing to a gut shot straight flush. It is 50/50. Either it comes, or it don't 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2010 - 2:56 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by Bryce_Bell:

    This is my own original work as is all my material. This particular article is based on using a concept which was discovered long before any of our times. I will take the plagiarism comments as a compliment.

    Thank you for the feedback.  

     

    Bet with your wallet,not your heart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryce_Bell:

    This is my own original work as is all my material. This particular article is based on using a concept which was discovered long before any of our times. I will take the plagiarism comments as a compliment.

    Thank you for the feedback.  

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2010 - 2:57 PM ET #23

    the words SAMMY come to mind when i waste my time reading your shit.

    never again will I open up any of your long winded dumb ass cry for attention posts.


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    the words SAMMY come to mind when i waste my time reading your shit.

    never again will I open up any of your long winded dumb ass cry for attention posts.


     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2010 - 3:06 PM ET #24

    what a total tool
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2010 - 4:31 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by billysink:

    None of this long winded rant applies to your handicapping whatsoever. The best you can offer is a 10-8 NFL record. Your college football record is abysmal you played a whopping 10 games last Saturday and went 3-7. You are well below .500 on that platform.

    You have been in full chase mode since you started playing here admitting after the Dallas loss last weekend that you "took a shot" and lost.

    You are a below average handicapper, Some of the college plays posted last weekend were among the most poorly researched plays ever posted here.
     
    Your extremely long winded and plagiarized rants do not apply to your own capping skills. You don't appear to have any. You have been here several weeks and have yet to make one red cent.
     
    It is a no small wonder that the only interest here is shown be the usual army of just joined thread bumpers or other long time members who have taken offense to your obvious agenda.

    You have not shown anything here that has not been widely available in just about any amateur posters offering. A little money management 101 and 50% handicapping record at best is a common commodity on this and just about any handicapping forum.

    Your rants and plays are of no consequence whatsoever to anyone but the feeble minded newbie. It is a damn good thing you may not be a tout, there is not one thing here worth a dime, nor available without all the pomp and circumstance that comes with your offerings.





    Well written. I wish I would see more of this and less of this

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    No offense to the board. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by billysink:

    None of this long winded rant applies to your handicapping whatsoever. The best you can offer is a 10-8 NFL record. Your college football record is abysmal you played a whopping 10 games last Saturday and went 3-7. You are well below .500 on that platform.

    You have been in full chase mode since you started playing here admitting after the Dallas loss last weekend that you "took a shot" and lost.

    You are a below average handicapper, Some of the college plays posted last weekend were among the most poorly researched plays ever posted here.
     
    Your extremely long winded and plagiarized rants do not apply to your own capping skills. You don't appear to have any. You have been here several weeks and have yet to make one red cent.
     
    It is a no small wonder that the only interest here is shown be the usual army of just joined thread bumpers or other long time members who have taken offense to your obvious agenda.

    You have not shown anything here that has not been widely available in just about any amateur posters offering. A little money management 101 and 50% handicapping record at best is a common commodity on this and just about any handicapping forum.

    Your rants and plays are of no consequence whatsoever to anyone but the feeble minded newbie. It is a damn good thing you may not be a tout, there is not one thing here worth a dime, nor available without all the pomp and circumstance that comes with your offerings.





    Well written. I wish I would see more of this and less of this

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    No offense to the board. :)
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