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    Ist Period "Key" Parlay

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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2007 - 12:43 AM ET #1

    I am going to track a variant of Rick Brown's "Key" parlay system. I'll be using the same rules for selection of the "key" team and for progression on a loss by the "key" and regression on a win. A "push" will cause no change in the unit-bet level. The only variation will be that, instead of using the moneyline for the entire hockey match, I'm going to use the moneyline for the first period only. My thesis is that the system will prove to be more profitable and have less volatility. This is because, when you use the heaviest favorite as the "key," the moneyline for the entire match will always be much higher than the moneyline for the first period only. So you get a much better payoff using the first-period moneyline. The "downside" to this is that the "key" will/should have a lower win percentage. And there certainly will be a lot of pushes than will not happen when you bet on the entire match. When you have a two-team parlay and one side of the parlay is a "push" the bet becomes a straight bet on the other side of the parlay. If it wins, you win a straight bet at the moneyline odds used to calculate the parlay payoff. If it loses, you lose the straight bet. If both sides of the parlay "push," the bet is a "push." The consequence of these "pushes" will/should be less volatility in the money flow resulting from the bets as the "pushes" will turn some parlays into straight bets. We shall see if my theses prove to be correct. In any event, it will be interesting. I'm going to use the first-period moneylines at my book, which are put up late every night. And I'll try to post them here promptly after their posting so I get something close to Rick's "opening line" for the match. For Saturday, March 31, the "key" is TB at -185 for the first period. TB will be pared with the Rangers at -175, Anaheim at -160 and Nashville at -145. I'll start with a $100 parlay for each: key is Tampa Bay in $100 parlays with NYR 100/142 Ana 100/150.40 Nash 100/160.20
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    I am going to track a variant of Rick Brown's "Key" parlay system. I'll be using the same rules for selection of the "key" team and for progression on a loss by the "key" and regression on a win. A "push" will cause no change in the unit-bet level. The only variation will be that, instead of using the moneyline for the entire hockey match, I'm going to use the moneyline for the first period only. My thesis is that the system will prove to be more profitable and have less volatility. This is because, when you use the heaviest favorite as the "key," the moneyline for the entire match will always be much higher than the moneyline for the first period only. So you get a much better payoff using the first-period moneyline. The "downside" to this is that the "key" will/should have a lower win percentage. And there certainly will be a lot of pushes than will not happen when you bet on the entire match. When you have a two-team parlay and one side of the parlay is a "push" the bet becomes a straight bet on the other side of the parlay. If it wins, you win a straight bet at the moneyline odds used to calculate the parlay payoff. If it loses, you lose the straight bet. If both sides of the parlay "push," the bet is a "push." The consequence of these "pushes" will/should be less volatility in the money flow resulting from the bets as the "pushes" will turn some parlays into straight bets. We shall see if my theses prove to be correct. In any event, it will be interesting. I'm going to use the first-period moneylines at my book, which are put up late every night. And I'll try to post them here promptly after their posting so I get something close to Rick's "opening line" for the match. For Saturday, March 31, the "key" is TB at -185 for the first period. TB will be pared with the Rangers at -175, Anaheim at -160 and Nashville at -145. I'll start with a $100 parlay for each: key is Tampa Bay in $100 parlays with NYR 100/142 Ana 100/150.40 Nash 100/160.20
     
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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2007 - 3:21 AM ET #2

    Interested in how the key's win percentage does in 1st quarter only -- tend to think it will be lower also. Key percentage for game is a little over 71% in both hockey and baseball. Even at 71% the levels can go to 5 or 6 on losses. Good Luck with this!
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    Interested in how the key's win percentage does in 1st quarter only -- tend to think it will be lower also. Key percentage for game is a little over 71% in both hockey and baseball. Even at 71% the levels can go to 5 or 6 on losses. Good Luck with this!
     
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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2007 - 12:13 PM ET #3

    p.s. I have Ottawa as "C" opened at -183 & Nashville at -170
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    p.s. I have Ottawa as "C" opened at -183 & Nashville at -170
     
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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2007 - 12:16 PM ET #4

    Looks like some will be different since you are using 1st quarter lines. Anyway, it is interesting to me.
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    Looks like some will be different since you are using 1st quarter lines. Anyway, it is interesting to me.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 1, 2007 - 2:30 AM ET #5

    Fwd 0 Day 1 Key Won A Won +142 B Pushed +54 on straight bet on key C Lost -100 Day Total +96 Forward + 96 Day 2 Key is San Jose -230 A is NYR -220 100/108.70 B is Det -150 100/139/10 C is NYR -132 100/152.20 (Chicago also was -132 but total pt. differential versus opponent favored NYR over Chicago)
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    Fwd 0 Day 1 Key Won A Won +142 B Pushed +54 on straight bet on key C Lost -100 Day Total +96 Forward + 96 Day 2 Key is San Jose -230 A is NYR -220 100/108.70 B is Det -150 100/139/10 C is NYR -132 100/152.20 (Chicago also was -132 but total pt. differential versus opponent favored NYR over Chicago)
     
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    Posted: Apr. 1, 2007 - 5:09 AM ET #6

    Push worked out well -- good start. Thinking in day 2 that you meant NJ for "A" ??
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    Push worked out well -- good start. Thinking in day 2 that you meant NJ for "A" ??
     
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    Posted: Apr. 1, 2007 - 10:29 AM ET #7

    Yes, thanks for noticing. Day 2 team A is New Joisey.
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    Yes, thanks for noticing. Day 2 team A is New Joisey.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2007 - 2:43 AM ET #8

    Key Push B Push C Push A Won as straight bet +$45 day and +$141 accum Is that correct?
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    Key Push B Push C Push A Won as straight bet +$45 day and +$141 accum Is that correct?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 2, 2007 - 11:00 PM ET #9

    That's correct, Rick. Day 3 Fwd +141 There's a tie for the key between Detroit and Nashville. Detroit has more points, but Nashville has greater point spread vs. its opponent, Chicago. I'm going with Nashville, especially because Columbus has beaten Detroit twice this year, which Nashville is undefeated v Chicago for the last two years. Besides, I'm from the Chicago area and am confident fading the Blackhawks (though they have shown some signs of life lately). Key is Nashville -230 A is Det -230 100/105.86 B is Min is -225 100/107.24 C is tie between Vancouver and Toronto, and I'm going with Vancouver -220 as it has a greater point differential between it and it opponent. Vancouver -220 100/108.69
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    That's correct, Rick. Day 3 Fwd +141 There's a tie for the key between Detroit and Nashville. Detroit has more points, but Nashville has greater point spread vs. its opponent, Chicago. I'm going with Nashville, especially because Columbus has beaten Detroit twice this year, which Nashville is undefeated v Chicago for the last two years. Besides, I'm from the Chicago area and am confident fading the Blackhawks (though they have shown some signs of life lately). Key is Nashville -230 A is Det -230 100/105.86 B is Min is -225 100/107.24 C is tie between Vancouver and Toronto, and I'm going with Vancouver -220 as it has a greater point differential between it and it opponent. Vancouver -220 100/108.69
     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2007 - 1:18 AM ET #10

    Key pushed A pushed (Det would have pushed also) B won straight bet + 42.60 C lost straight bet -100 (Tor would have pushed) Day -57.40 Forward +83.60 Day 4 Key is Atl -220 A is Anaheim -118 100/169 no B or C b/c of short card on the nite (I'm not betting this. I don't believe in playing a short card like Rick does, as it forces you onto plays which are not heavy favorites. I'd rather pass than bet against San Jose, even with a team as good as Anaheim. But, for the sake of consistency, the system play is posted as the primary goal of this thread is to create a first-period vs. full-match comparison of outcomes)
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    Key pushed A pushed (Det would have pushed also) B won straight bet + 42.60 C lost straight bet -100 (Tor would have pushed) Day -57.40 Forward +83.60 Day 4 Key is Atl -220 A is Anaheim -118 100/169 no B or C b/c of short card on the nite (I'm not betting this. I don't believe in playing a short card like Rick does, as it forces you onto plays which are not heavy favorites. I'd rather pass than bet against San Jose, even with a team as good as Anaheim. But, for the sake of consistency, the system play is posted as the primary goal of this thread is to create a first-period vs. full-match comparison of outcomes)
     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2007 - 9:22 AM ET #11

    Short card has been a constant dilema for me for the very reasons you mention. I more or less opted for it because there is a (sort of) Key to be found.
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    Short card has been a constant dilema for me for the very reasons you mention. I more or less opted for it because there is a (sort of) Key to be found.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 5, 2007 - 1:38 AM ET #12

    Lol, should have bet it: Key wins with A even though both teams lost their matches. Day + 169 Forward +252.60 Day 5 Key is Min -300 A is Nashville-220 100/93.90 B is Buffalo -220 100/93.90 C is NJ -180 100/107.40
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    Lol, should have bet it: Key wins with A even though both teams lost their matches. Day + 169 Forward +252.60 Day 5 Key is Min -300 A is Nashville-220 100/93.90 B is Buffalo -220 100/93.90 C is NJ -180 100/107.40
     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2007 - 1:37 AM ET #13

    Day 5 Key wins and the rest push, so we get three straight-bet winners at 33.33 each for a win total of 99.99 on the day. Day +99.99 Forward +352.59 Day 6 Another short card Key is TB -170 A is Atlanta based on point differential as it and Carolina are each -110 on both the game and first period lines right now. 100/203.20
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    Day 5 Key wins and the rest push, so we get three straight-bet winners at 33.33 each for a win total of 99.99 on the day. Day +99.99 Forward +352.59 Day 6 Another short card Key is TB -170 A is Atlanta based on point differential as it and Carolina are each -110 on both the game and first period lines right now. 100/203.20
     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2007 - 11:11 AM ET #14

    Day 6 add-on B is Anaheim at -110 winning tie breaker with Dallas for most points. 100/203.20
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    Day 6 add-on B is Anaheim at -110 winning tie breaker with Dallas for most points. 100/203.20
     
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    Posted: Apr. 7, 2007 - 2:46 AM ET #15

    Day 6 Key loses Day -200 Forward +152.59 Day 7 Det is key -270 A in Calgary -240 100/94.14 B is Min -220 100/99.33 C is Buff -175 100/115.34
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    Day 6 Key loses Day -200 Forward +152.59 Day 7 Det is key -270 A in Calgary -240 100/94.14 B is Min -220 100/99.33 C is Buff -175 100/115.34
     
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    Posted: Apr. 8, 2007 - 11:28 AM ET #16

    Day 6 Key wins with B & C and A pushes for straight bet win of 33.33. Day +248 Forward +400.59 Day 7 Unit level is 1 Key is Dall -200 A is Buf -145 100/153.45 B is Colo -135 100/161.11 C is Van -117 100/178.21
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    Day 6 Key wins with B & C and A pushes for straight bet win of 33.33. Day +248 Forward +400.59 Day 7 Unit level is 1 Key is Dall -200 A is Buf -145 100/153.45 B is Colo -135 100/161.11 C is Van -117 100/178.21
     
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    Posted: Apr. 8, 2007 - 12:43 PM ET #17

    Think it was better than that. Should have been at level 2 for day 6 ???
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    Think it was better than that. Should have been at level 2 for day 6 ???
     
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    Posted: Apr. 8, 2007 - 12:45 PM ET #18

    ooops -- meant day 7 -- days are off
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    Posted: Apr. 8, 2007 - 12:45 PM ET #19

    day 8 is your latest not day 7
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    Posted: Apr. 9, 2007 - 12:42 AM ET #20

    Day 6 was a Key-loss day, so Day 7 should have been a 2-unit play with a +496 outcome and +648.59 Forward number. Day 8 Key and A push but B and C lose for -200 Forward and Regular Season Closing Number is +448.59. I don't think the system should be played in the playoffs as we lose the weak-sister opponents to pick on. To play or not to play, that is the question?
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    Day 6 was a Key-loss day, so Day 7 should have been a 2-unit play with a +496 outcome and +648.59 Forward number. Day 8 Key and A push but B and C lose for -200 Forward and Regular Season Closing Number is +448.59. I don't think the system should be played in the playoffs as we lose the weak-sister opponents to pick on. To play or not to play, that is the question?
     
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    Really started tracking these because people kept saying that parlays are bad bets. I agree that anything over 3 teams is bad -- built in juice increases drastically with more teams. I am completely convinced that 2-team parlays are a great added weapon we can benefit from. I picked a key system based on opening lines to show results of "brainless" bets. No handicapping -- just load & fire. Many people could do better using a well handicapped pair of games. My point is that parlays are not bad bets in & of themselves. I think playoffs are tougher to pick, and not sure if I would use the key system there either. Good luck if you do.||Peace_5.gif' border=0>
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    Really started tracking these because people kept saying that parlays are bad bets. I agree that anything over 3 teams is bad -- built in juice increases drastically with more teams. I am completely convinced that 2-team parlays are a great added weapon we can benefit from. I picked a key system based on opening lines to show results of "brainless" bets. No handicapping -- just load & fire. Many people could do better using a well handicapped pair of games. My point is that parlays are not bad bets in & of themselves. I think playoffs are tougher to pick, and not sure if I would use the key system there either. Good luck if you do.||Peace_5.gif' border=0>
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 23, 2007 - 2:33 AM ET #22

    It actually kicked butt so far in playoffs.
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