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    Why do all the GOPers run the other way when seeing Trump's tax/health plans and education budgets?

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    scalabrine
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    Posted: May. 18, 2017 - 6:11 PM ET #1

    I started a thread asking all the Trump voters how they could explain Trump's Tax plan (a massive shift of wealth to corporation and he uber wealthy): 

    The response? Democrats are corrupt too!

    (Seriously that's what was said).

    The AHCA: a massive cut in spending for Medicaid, and subsidized covers for millions, kicking 20 million+ or more off the rolls. 

    The response? Obamacare suc ked!!!

    Now we look at his education budget proposals.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/trumps-first-full-education-budget-deep-cuts-to-public-school-programs-in-pursuit-of-school-choice/2017/05/17/2a25a2cc-3a41-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.5221b9aa4676


    Many many many here continually cite the same problems with covers members and the rest of America:

    We are STUPID!

    Ok, how do we solve that?

    Trump's plan? Massive cuts in public education budgets for charter schools and vouchers (translation: shift the money to private entities and lower costs by giving more "choice" but less money through vouchers). Haven't we heard this ridiculous "freedom of choice" speech before??? Yes it was the EXACT same argument used for TRUMPcare. Ironically this is the "pro-life" party too.


    YOUR PARTY!

    Cut health care

    Cut education budget

    Cut taxes for the uber wealthy and corporations



    YOU, YES YOU, VOTED FOR THIS PIECE OF SHI+. What an embarrassment he is and consequently YOU are.

    Grandstanding evangelicals staying with the party of "morals" but voting for a puss*grabber.


    I'm serious: WHAT DOES YOUR PARTY STAND FOR? 
    This? These cuts!? WHAT IS THEIR PLAN?

    Austerity rules the day! Cut everything and deregulate everything.


    And the only response....Obama and Democrats. They CANNOT vouch or defend their own decisions!!! They cannot!!!


    Every person who put this lunatic in office is a DISGRACE. What a joke.


    SHAME 

    SHAME

    SHAME
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    I started a thread asking all the Trump voters how they could explain Trump's Tax plan (a massive shift of wealth to corporation and he uber wealthy): 

    The response? Democrats are corrupt too!

    (Seriously that's what was said).

    The AHCA: a massive cut in spending for Medicaid, and subsidized covers for millions, kicking 20 million+ or more off the rolls. 

    The response? Obamacare suc ked!!!

    Now we look at his education budget proposals.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/trumps-first-full-education-budget-deep-cuts-to-public-school-programs-in-pursuit-of-school-choice/2017/05/17/2a25a2cc-3a41-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.5221b9aa4676


    Many many many here continually cite the same problems with covers members and the rest of America:

    We are STUPID!

    Ok, how do we solve that?

    Trump's plan? Massive cuts in public education budgets for charter schools and vouchers (translation: shift the money to private entities and lower costs by giving more "choice" but less money through vouchers). Haven't we heard this ridiculous "freedom of choice" speech before??? Yes it was the EXACT same argument used for TRUMPcare. Ironically this is the "pro-life" party too.


    YOUR PARTY!

    Cut health care

    Cut education budget

    Cut taxes for the uber wealthy and corporations



    YOU, YES YOU, VOTED FOR THIS PIECE OF SHI+. What an embarrassment he is and consequently YOU are.

    Grandstanding evangelicals staying with the party of "morals" but voting for a puss*grabber.


    I'm serious: WHAT DOES YOUR PARTY STAND FOR? 
    This? These cuts!? WHAT IS THEIR PLAN?

    Austerity rules the day! Cut everything and deregulate everything.


    And the only response....Obama and Democrats. They CANNOT vouch or defend their own decisions!!! They cannot!!!


    Every person who put this lunatic in office is a DISGRACE. What a joke.


    SHAME 

    SHAME

    SHAME
     
    scalabrine
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    Posted: May. 18, 2017 - 6:45 PM ET #2

    Benghazi
    Clinton's Email server
    Obama is a Muslim!!!

    Meanwhile they gut healthcare for 'choice'.

    Gut education budgets for 'choice'. 

    Massively shift wealth upward away from the middle and working class.

    But they don't do it surreptitiously. They do it IN PLAIN SIGHT now.

    What a disgrace....

    MAGA.

    Oh yeah. This is some MAGA campaign.

    Trump voters are an absolute disgrace.

    And we already know they'd vote for the puss*grabber again.

    Why? Just like Trump, they'll never admit they made a mistake.

    All cut from the same cloth.

    This is your bed. You lie in it. I won't. 

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    Benghazi
    Clinton's Email server
    Obama is a Muslim!!!

    Meanwhile they gut healthcare for 'choice'.

    Gut education budgets for 'choice'. 

    Massively shift wealth upward away from the middle and working class.

    But they don't do it surreptitiously. They do it IN PLAIN SIGHT now.

    What a disgrace....

    MAGA.

    Oh yeah. This is some MAGA campaign.

    Trump voters are an absolute disgrace.

    And we already know they'd vote for the puss*grabber again.

    Why? Just like Trump, they'll never admit they made a mistake.

    All cut from the same cloth.

    This is your bed. You lie in it. I won't. 

     
    Mark_The_Narc
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    Posted: May. 18, 2017 - 6:46 PM ET #3

    Scal what your missing is the cuts are needed due to the inefficiency of health care and education in the hands of bureaucrats. 

    So much waste and fraud and the prez wants to stop that. Don't see how you can have a problem with that. The status quo isn't working.
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    Scal what your missing is the cuts are needed due to the inefficiency of health care and education in the hands of bureaucrats. 

    So much waste and fraud and the prez wants to stop that. Don't see how you can have a problem with that. The status quo isn't working.
     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2017 - 6:59 PM ET #4

    One of the great tenants of Evangelism is forgiveness and willingness to let the Lord into ones live regardless of past deeds. The vag grabbing falls under this. 

    I don't and won't speak for most faiths however as I generally dislike non Evangelical Christianity but most go along with this I believe.
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    One of the great tenants of Evangelism is forgiveness and willingness to let the Lord into ones live regardless of past deeds. The vag grabbing falls under this. 

    I don't and won't speak for most faiths however as I generally dislike non Evangelical Christianity but most go along with this I believe.
     
    scalabrine
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    Posted: May. 18, 2017 - 7:15 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_The_Narc:

    Scal what your missing is the cuts are needed due to the inefficiency of health care and education in the hands of bureaucrats. 

    So much waste and fraud and the prez wants to stop that. Don't see how you can have a problem with that. The status quo isn't working.

    Ah yes! Those damn bureaucrats. Let's hand all the money over to private corporations who have the public's best interest in mind.

    DON'T hold public servants (you know that's what they are called right?) accountable, let's vote in the ones that will GUT these 'inefficient' systems (as though they are supposed to work perfectly in favor of tax cuts, wealth shifting and privatization. 

    Because the invisible hand of the market will save us all.

    To that I say this:

    Are

    you

    fun*ing 

    kidding 

    Me????

    Marc, get your head out of the sand. You're post above is one of the most myopic and misguided ever typed here (as least one that had a granule of a cogent argument).

    I repeat: you as a trump voter should be ashamed of yourself.

    And the same evangelicals that forgave the puss*grabber were quite selective in their forgiveness (how convenient), because they were chanting fist-raised Lock Her Up out of the other side of their mouth. Not too much forgiveness when it came to an email server now was their?

    Puss*grabbing Trump? Sexually assaulting women and bragging about it?? FORGIVE HIM! FORGIVE HIM!

    WHAT 

    A 

    DISGRACE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_The_Narc:

    Scal what your missing is the cuts are needed due to the inefficiency of health care and education in the hands of bureaucrats. 

    So much waste and fraud and the prez wants to stop that. Don't see how you can have a problem with that. The status quo isn't working.

    Ah yes! Those damn bureaucrats. Let's hand all the money over to private corporations who have the public's best interest in mind.

    DON'T hold public servants (you know that's what they are called right?) accountable, let's vote in the ones that will GUT these 'inefficient' systems (as though they are supposed to work perfectly in favor of tax cuts, wealth shifting and privatization. 

    Because the invisible hand of the market will save us all.

    To that I say this:

    Are

    you

    fun*ing 

    kidding 

    Me????

    Marc, get your head out of the sand. You're post above is one of the most myopic and misguided ever typed here (as least one that had a granule of a cogent argument).

    I repeat: you as a trump voter should be ashamed of yourself.

    And the same evangelicals that forgave the puss*grabber were quite selective in their forgiveness (how convenient), because they were chanting fist-raised Lock Her Up out of the other side of their mouth. Not too much forgiveness when it came to an email server now was their?

    Puss*grabbing Trump? Sexually assaulting women and bragging about it?? FORGIVE HIM! FORGIVE HIM!

    WHAT 

    A 

    DISGRACE
     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2017 - 7:45 PM ET #6


    Scal has a free shot now with Hugh_Jorgan boxed.

    C'mon, bring it, Scal. 


    Cutting education and disability funding...

    Picking on kids and the crippled?

    Pathetic.

    And how come the $20T deficit is never mentioned any more?

    All of a sudden it's OK for the Corporate Fukks Welfare Tax Relief??

    Who is paying for all this???

    Go get'em Scal.
    ~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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    Scal has a free shot now with Hugh_Jorgan boxed.

    C'mon, bring it, Scal. 


    Cutting education and disability funding...

    Picking on kids and the crippled?

    Pathetic.

    And how come the $20T deficit is never mentioned any more?

    All of a sudden it's OK for the Corporate Fukks Welfare Tax Relief??

    Who is paying for all this???

    Go get'em Scal.
     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2017 - 8:02 PM ET #7

    Health insurance companies would get $1 billion or more windfall under GOP Obamacare replacement plan

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/07/health-insurers-billion-dollar-windfall-gop-obamacare-replacement.html

    It is fxcking disgusting that the GOP worries more about grotesquely-overpaid insurance company executives than about the American public.


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    Health insurance companies would get $1 billion or more windfall under GOP Obamacare replacement plan

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/07/health-insurers-billion-dollar-windfall-gop-obamacare-replacement.html

    It is fxcking disgusting that the GOP worries more about grotesquely-overpaid insurance company executives than about the American public.


     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2017 - 3:31 AM ET #8

    Hey, you have to cut healthcare and education spending to balance the tax cuts for the super rich. Right under people's noses. And the whiny liberals are no better. Since the beginning they've fallen for a political sleight of hand. So up in arms about walls and such. Walls that were never getting built though maybe they should. Meanwhile bank deregulation is happening right under their noses. He's done away with protections put in place to protect us from getting f#cked by banks in the same ways we were just like 10 years ago. But you can't blame conservatives for Trump. It was these very same whiny liberals, many who didn't feel much better about Clinton than conservatives did, who didn't turn out to the polls. Minorities didn't show up. Women didn't show up. I even had multiple conversations with caucasian women, caucasian women who were Bernie Sanders supporters, who refused to vote for Clinton. Then when Trump won they all stood around aloof like, "Well, I can't believe he won." Scal, you can't blame people for voting for Trump when there are liberal caucasian women who didn't even want Clinton. I couldn't tell you why so many liberals decided to stay home but they did. Maybe they were too busy occupying something. Maybe instead of talking sh#t to Trump voters you should be talking sh#t to liberals who didn't vote.
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    Hey, you have to cut healthcare and education spending to balance the tax cuts for the super rich. Right under people's noses. And the whiny liberals are no better. Since the beginning they've fallen for a political sleight of hand. So up in arms about walls and such. Walls that were never getting built though maybe they should. Meanwhile bank deregulation is happening right under their noses. He's done away with protections put in place to protect us from getting f#cked by banks in the same ways we were just like 10 years ago. But you can't blame conservatives for Trump. It was these very same whiny liberals, many who didn't feel much better about Clinton than conservatives did, who didn't turn out to the polls. Minorities didn't show up. Women didn't show up. I even had multiple conversations with caucasian women, caucasian women who were Bernie Sanders supporters, who refused to vote for Clinton. Then when Trump won they all stood around aloof like, "Well, I can't believe he won." Scal, you can't blame people for voting for Trump when there are liberal caucasian women who didn't even want Clinton. I couldn't tell you why so many liberals decided to stay home but they did. Maybe they were too busy occupying something. Maybe instead of talking sh#t to Trump voters you should be talking sh#t to liberals who didn't vote.
     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2017 - 7:26 AM ET #9

    @Stump- "And the whiny liberals are no better."


    @Scal - And the response...Obama and the Democrats! They CANNOT vouch for their own decisions.


    EVERY

    SINGLE

    TIME

    YOU 

    ASK THEM

    ABOUT THEIR

    EMBARRASSING and DELETERIOUS PARTY


    POLICY OF MASSIVE CUTS TO 




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    @Stump- "And the whiny liberals are no better."


    @Scal - And the response...Obama and the Democrats! They CANNOT vouch for their own decisions.


    EVERY

    SINGLE

    TIME

    YOU 

    ASK THEM

    ABOUT THEIR

    EMBARRASSING and DELETERIOUS PARTY


    POLICY OF MASSIVE CUTS TO 




     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2017 - 7:28 AM ET #10

    HEIGHTEN INEQUALITY, HURT THE MIDDLE AND WORKING CLASS, SHIFT WEALTH, WORSEN THE EDUCATION SYSTEM WITH A DEPARTMENT HEAD THAT KNOWS AS MUCH ABOUT EDUCATION AS A COVERS EXPERT KNOWS OF ASTROPHYSICS,

    THE RESPONSE IS ALWAYS THE SAME:


    "The Democrats!!!!!" It's right there folks. I said they'd say it. It happens EVERY TIME. They are the party of personal reaponsibility but take no responsibility to explain why the candidate they voted in guts subsidized services to the public!!!


    The party itself and the voters who fail to acknowledge this are a JOKE. There is no question about it now.
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    HEIGHTEN INEQUALITY, HURT THE MIDDLE AND WORKING CLASS, SHIFT WEALTH, WORSEN THE EDUCATION SYSTEM WITH A DEPARTMENT HEAD THAT KNOWS AS MUCH ABOUT EDUCATION AS A COVERS EXPERT KNOWS OF ASTROPHYSICS,

    THE RESPONSE IS ALWAYS THE SAME:


    "The Democrats!!!!!" It's right there folks. I said they'd say it. It happens EVERY TIME. They are the party of personal reaponsibility but take no responsibility to explain why the candidate they voted in guts subsidized services to the public!!!


    The party itself and the voters who fail to acknowledge this are a JOKE. There is no question about it now.
     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2017 - 7:32 AM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    Scal has a free shot now with Hugh_Jorgan boxed.

    C'mon, bring it, Scal. 


    Cutting education and disability funding...

    Picking on kids and the crippled?

    Pathetic.

    And how come the $20T deficit is never mentioned any more?

    All of a sudden it's OK for the Corporate Fukks Welfare Tax Relief??

    Who is paying for all this???

    Go get'em Scal.


    I come for the receipts. Where is the the proof of the savior they claimed would MAGA. It's a JOKE.


    When they asked Whitney Houston about her dealer she said "Show me the receipts" (of the coke transaction). 


    I want the receipts Trump voters. What has your party done to MAGA???? Come on Trump voters, step up to the plate right NOW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    Scal has a free shot now with Hugh_Jorgan boxed.

    C'mon, bring it, Scal. 


    Cutting education and disability funding...

    Picking on kids and the crippled?

    Pathetic.

    And how come the $20T deficit is never mentioned any more?

    All of a sudden it's OK for the Corporate Fukks Welfare Tax Relief??

    Who is paying for all this???

    Go get'em Scal.


    I come for the receipts. Where is the the proof of the savior they claimed would MAGA. It's a JOKE.


    When they asked Whitney Houston about her dealer she said "Show me the receipts" (of the coke transaction). 


    I want the receipts Trump voters. What has your party done to MAGA???? Come on Trump voters, step up to the plate right NOW.
     
    SuperSic58
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    Posted: May. 19, 2017 - 7:48 AM ET #12

    A massive market correction is inevitable, irregardless of whether or not Trump or Clinton got into office.
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    A massive market correction is inevitable, irregardless of whether or not Trump or Clinton got into office.
     
    scalabrine
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    Posted: May. 19, 2017 - 10:54 AM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSic58:

    A massive market correction is inevitable, irregardless of whether or not Trump or Clinton got into office.


    This thread isn't about market corrections. That is obfuscating the main point of the OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSic58:

    A massive market correction is inevitable, irregardless of whether or not Trump or Clinton got into office.


    This thread isn't about market corrections. That is obfuscating the main point of the OP.
     
    SuperSic58
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    Posted: May. 19, 2017 - 5:05 PM ET #14

    I'd imagine Trump voters are sitting there with a Russian flag draped over their shoulder wearing a Ushanka, drinking a bottle of vodka, listening to hard bass and dancing while watching liberals lose their minds for the next 4 years.

    Then again the DNC could have had a sense of humor and have nominated Bernie.
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    I'd imagine Trump voters are sitting there with a Russian flag draped over their shoulder wearing a Ushanka, drinking a bottle of vodka, listening to hard bass and dancing while watching liberals lose their minds for the next 4 years.

    Then again the DNC could have had a sense of humor and have nominated Bernie.
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2017 - 3:20 AM ET #15

    According to center for American progress, Congress may reject Trump's proposed cuts to healthcare and education.  Problem is that government could save billions now but pay trillions later. 

    More reasonable way is to share spending cuts in all of government instead of picking wrong winners and losers.
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    According to center for American progress, Congress may reject Trump's proposed cuts to healthcare and education.  Problem is that government could save billions now but pay trillions later. 

    More reasonable way is to share spending cuts in all of government instead of picking wrong winners and losers.
     
    scalabrine
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    Posted: May. 20, 2017 - 11:35 AM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    According to center for American progress, Congress may reject Trump's proposed cuts to healthcare and education.  Problem is that government could save billions now but pay trillions later. 

    More reasonable way is to share spending cuts in all of government instead of picking wrong winners and losers.

    I'm not even sure if you are for or against the cuts with this post.

    The real problem is there isn't a single stumping GOP'er Trump supporter in this forum who can adequately defend the cuts to education, health and wealth shifting of the taxes.

    It's like they couldn't give a shi* because well, they'd have to admit the scum they elected is a disaster.

    THEY CANNOT DEFEND THESE PROGRAMS ON THEIR MERITS! And they elected this person. They are of this party and RUN for the hills naked as the day they were born when their reps show their corporate loving colors!!!

    WHERE ARE THE POSTERS DEFENDING THESE THREE PLANS????? 


    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    According to center for American progress, Congress may reject Trump's proposed cuts to healthcare and education.  Problem is that government could save billions now but pay trillions later. 

    More reasonable way is to share spending cuts in all of government instead of picking wrong winners and losers.

    I'm not even sure if you are for or against the cuts with this post.

    The real problem is there isn't a single stumping GOP'er Trump supporter in this forum who can adequately defend the cuts to education, health and wealth shifting of the taxes.

    It's like they couldn't give a shi* because well, they'd have to admit the scum they elected is a disaster.

    THEY CANNOT DEFEND THESE PROGRAMS ON THEIR MERITS! And they elected this person. They are of this party and RUN for the hills naked as the day they were born when their reps show their corporate loving colors!!!

    WHERE ARE THE POSTERS DEFENDING THESE THREE PLANS????? 


     
     
    scalabrine
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    Posted: May. 20, 2017 - 11:38 AM ET #17

    How embarrassing must it be for a party when you elect them and then the 3 major programs/policies which will directly impact everyone's life can't be spoken a WORD FOR.

    Not a word!

    But start a thread about blacks and they are all there in UNISON!!!


    WHERE ARE THE DEFENDERS OF THESE POLICIES???? This forum is LOADED with GOPers Trump Supporters. WHERE ARE YOU AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT:

    The tax plan

    The education policy

    TrumpCare?


    SPEAK UP.
    Reply
    How embarrassing must it be for a party when you elect them and then the 3 major programs/policies which will directly impact everyone's life can't be spoken a WORD FOR.

    Not a word!

    But start a thread about blacks and they are all there in UNISON!!!


    WHERE ARE THE DEFENDERS OF THESE POLICIES???? This forum is LOADED with GOPers Trump Supporters. WHERE ARE YOU AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT:

    The tax plan

    The education policy

    TrumpCare?


    SPEAK UP.
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