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    Wall will pay for itself

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    JimmyDrizzl
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2019 - 12:46 PM ET #1

    Last year it cost all of the hard working taxpayers approx. 118 billion to process, feed, house, give medical care, welfare payments, etc. etc. to the millions of illegal border crossers that got past the border guards.....A stinking* wall extension in critical areas that will cost 5 billion would probably cut the 118 bil figure by at least half....We save 50 bil a year or more......CRITICAL TO ACT NOW..... if no new wall is built very soon the number of migrants coming over will only skyrocket up as they are poor...but not dummies....as the word of the demrats stupidity on open borders gets out more and more will get ready for the trip........The way the situation is now.....THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF GUATAMALA , EL SALVADOR, AND HONDURAS IS ELIGIBLE TO CLAIM ASYLUM IF THEY CAN POSSIBLY SET ONE FOOT ON AMERICAN SOIL....SO DUMB ARE THE DEMON-RATS to let this happen and ruin the country that we the people and our ancestors have built for over 200 years...

    Side note...Trump needs to urgently place a 20% tax on all money send by migrants back to their home country...THIS WILL BE A SMART WAY OF GETTING SOME OF OUR TAX MONEY BACK.....LET THEM PAY... "their fair share" as the dims always say...

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    Last year it cost all of the hard working taxpayers approx. 118 billion to process, feed, house, give medical care, welfare payments, etc. etc. to the millions of illegal border crossers that got past the border guards.....A stinking* wall extension in critical areas that will cost 5 billion would probably cut the 118 bil figure by at least half....We save 50 bil a year or more......CRITICAL TO ACT NOW..... if no new wall is built very soon the number of migrants coming over will only skyrocket up as they are poor...but not dummies....as the word of the demrats stupidity on open borders gets out more and more will get ready for the trip........The way the situation is now.....THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF GUATAMALA , EL SALVADOR, AND HONDURAS IS ELIGIBLE TO CLAIM ASYLUM IF THEY CAN POSSIBLY SET ONE FOOT ON AMERICAN SOIL....SO DUMB ARE THE DEMON-RATS to let this happen and ruin the country that we the people and our ancestors have built for over 200 years...

    Side note...Trump needs to urgently place a 20% tax on all money send by migrants back to their home country...THIS WILL BE A SMART WAY OF GETTING SOME OF OUR TAX MONEY BACK.....LET THEM PAY... "their fair share" as the dims always say...

     
    nature1970
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2019 - 1:59 PM ET #2

    no not a walll a fence and not from sea to sea 237 mile. extension. not concrete steel with sensors. see through about 25 feet tall. you wont need any better than a 40 foot extension ladder.

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    no not a walll a fence and not from sea to sea 237 mile. extension. not concrete steel with sensors. see through about 25 feet tall. you wont need any better than a 40 foot extension ladder.

     
    Midnight1
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2019 - 2:42 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyDrizzl:

    Last year it cost all of the hard working taxpayers approx. 118 billion to process, feed, house, give medical care, welfare payments, etc. etc. to the millions of illegal border crossers that got past the border guards.....A stinking* wall extension in critical areas that will cost 5 billion would probably cut the 118 bil figure by at least half....We save 50 bil a year or more......CRITICAL TO ACT NOW..... if no new wall is built very soon the number of migrants coming over will only skyrocket up as they are poor...but not dummies....as the word of the demrats stupidity on open borders gets out more and more will get ready for the trip........The way the situation is now.....THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF GUATAMALA , EL SALVADOR, AND HONDURAS IS ELIGIBLE TO CLAIM ASYLUM IF THEY CAN POSSIBLY SET ONE FOOT ON AMERICAN SOIL....SO DUMB ARE THE DEMON-RATS to let this happen and ruin the country that we the people and our ancestors have built for over 200 years... Side note...Trump needs to urgently place a 20% tax on all money send by migrants back to their home country...THIS WILL BE A SMART WAY OF GETTING SOME OF OUR TAX MONEY BACK.....LET THEM PAY... "their fair share" as the dims always say...

    You must have flunked out of Covington Catholic school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyDrizzl:

    Last year it cost all of the hard working taxpayers approx. 118 billion to process, feed, house, give medical care, welfare payments, etc. etc. to the millions of illegal border crossers that got past the border guards.....A stinking* wall extension in critical areas that will cost 5 billion would probably cut the 118 bil figure by at least half....We save 50 bil a year or more......CRITICAL TO ACT NOW..... if no new wall is built very soon the number of migrants coming over will only skyrocket up as they are poor...but not dummies....as the word of the demrats stupidity on open borders gets out more and more will get ready for the trip........The way the situation is now.....THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF GUATAMALA , EL SALVADOR, AND HONDURAS IS ELIGIBLE TO CLAIM ASYLUM IF THEY CAN POSSIBLY SET ONE FOOT ON AMERICAN SOIL....SO DUMB ARE THE DEMON-RATS to let this happen and ruin the country that we the people and our ancestors have built for over 200 years... Side note...Trump needs to urgently place a 20% tax on all money send by migrants back to their home country...THIS WILL BE A SMART WAY OF GETTING SOME OF OUR TAX MONEY BACK.....LET THEM PAY... "their fair share" as the dims always say...

    You must have flunked out of Covington Catholic school.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2019 - 3:05 PM ET #4

    42%+ of so called illegals come here legally and over stay their visas .....

     

    The Drugs are already here , our Government admiited they flood the cities with them ( cointelpro ) 

     

    Paranoid snowflakes want a wall , the rest of us couod care less 

     

     

    BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
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    42%+ of so called illegals come here legally and over stay their visas .....

     

    The Drugs are already here , our Government admiited they flood the cities with them ( cointelpro ) 

     

    Paranoid snowflakes want a wall , the rest of us couod care less 

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2019 - 7:36 PM ET #5

    https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-rep-will-hurd-represents-more-of-the-border-than-anyone-else-and-opposes-trumps-wall-2019-1
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    https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-rep-will-hurd-represents-more-of-the-border-than-anyone-else-and-opposes-trumps-wall-2019-1
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2019 - 10:36 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-rep-will-hurd-represents-more-of-the-border-than-anyone-else-and-opposes-trumps-wall-2019-1

    No one cares about your link

     

    an_popcorn

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-rep-will-hurd-represents-more-of-the-border-than-anyone-else-and-opposes-trumps-wall-2019-1

    No one cares about your link

     

    an_popcorn

     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2019 - 10:58 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Doja45:

    No one cares about your link

     

    an_popcorn


    Thanks for letting me know. In the meantime get someone to read it to you.











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    Quote Originally Posted by Doja45:

    No one cares about your link

     

    an_popcorn


    Thanks for letting me know. In the meantime get someone to read it to you.











     
    nature1970
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2019 - 11:22 PM ET #8

    DOJA could, well probably could,  read it if he could ever find those darn reading glasses....lolol

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    DOJA could, well probably could,  read it if he could ever find those darn reading glasses....lolol

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2019 - 6:36 PM ET #9

    Darkhorse12 has a good point.  Will hurd the only house republican on borderland opposes a wall.  Instead he favors more border agents and surveillance technology.  As a former CIA employee, he is well informed about security.

    Factcheckers politifact, snopes and factcheck.org dispute Trump's claim that a wall would pay for itself.   According to National academy of sciences, Center for immigration studies misinterpret their estimates.  Tax revenue from immigrants and their children are under counted.  US citizens are counted as illegal immigrants.  Dubious research methods rejected by economists. Since immigrants contribute to US economy, their disappearance may cost government money in the long term.
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    Darkhorse12 has a good point.  Will hurd the only house republican on borderland opposes a wall.  Instead he favors more border agents and surveillance technology.  As a former CIA employee, he is well informed about security.

    Factcheckers politifact, snopes and factcheck.org dispute Trump's claim that a wall would pay for itself.   According to National academy of sciences, Center for immigration studies misinterpret their estimates.  Tax revenue from immigrants and their children are under counted.  US citizens are counted as illegal immigrants.  Dubious research methods rejected by economists. Since immigrants contribute to US economy, their disappearance may cost government money in the long term.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2019 - 6:48 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    42%+ of so called illegals come here legally and over stay their visas .....   The Drugs are already here , our Government admiited they flood the cities with them ( cointelpro )    Paranoid snowflakes want a wall , the rest of us couod care less

    If most could care less, than why not.

    5 billion. materials (American steel) 1.5 biliion , labor.65 billion. corporation general contractors management sales and time bonuses, 2.9 billion. ( cost over runs government project extension expidiated concerns PRICELESS. we 1.4 trillion for the usss bush package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    42%+ of so called illegals come here legally and over stay their visas .....   The Drugs are already here , our Government admiited they flood the cities with them ( cointelpro )    Paranoid snowflakes want a wall , the rest of us couod care less

    If most could care less, than why not.

    5 billion. materials (American steel) 1.5 biliion , labor.65 billion. corporation general contractors management sales and time bonuses, 2.9 billion. ( cost over runs government project extension expidiated concerns PRICELESS. we 1.4 trillion for the usss bush package.

     
    nature1970
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2019 - 6:51 PM ET #11

    to be fair we borrowed that money from the Chinese, wonder if Mexico city could float a loan for the wall?

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    to be fair we borrowed that money from the Chinese, wonder if Mexico city could float a loan for the wall?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2019 - 9:03 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:


    Factcheckers politifact, snopes and factcheck.org dispute Trump's claim that a wall would pay for itself.   According to National academy of sciences, Center for immigration studies misinterpret their estimates.  Tax revenue from immigrants and their children are under counted.  US citizens are counted as illegal immigrants.  Dubious research methods rejected by economists. Since immigrants contribute to US economy, their disappearance may cost government money in the long term.

    These unskilled and uneducated illegal masses pouring across the Southern border...take more from America, than they ever give America..

    To borrow your oft used opening ..According to the Center for Immigration Studies,...a 2017 study concluded..the average net fiscal cost (taxes paid minus services used) of an illegal immigrant was $65,292 during their lifetime — excluding their U.S.-born children. This came to $65.3 billion per million illegal immigrants in their research study..

    Adjusted to 2018 dollars, it would be $69,570 per illegal immigrant...unskilled,low educated illegal immigrants are a
    net fiscal drain short term... or long term..
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:


    Factcheckers politifact, snopes and factcheck.org dispute Trump's claim that a wall would pay for itself.   According to National academy of sciences, Center for immigration studies misinterpret their estimates.  Tax revenue from immigrants and their children are under counted.  US citizens are counted as illegal immigrants.  Dubious research methods rejected by economists. Since immigrants contribute to US economy, their disappearance may cost government money in the long term.

    These unskilled and uneducated illegal masses pouring across the Southern border...take more from America, than they ever give America..

    To borrow your oft used opening ..According to the Center for Immigration Studies,...a 2017 study concluded..the average net fiscal cost (taxes paid minus services used) of an illegal immigrant was $65,292 during their lifetime — excluding their U.S.-born children. This came to $65.3 billion per million illegal immigrants in their research study..

    Adjusted to 2018 dollars, it would be $69,570 per illegal immigrant...unskilled,low educated illegal immigrants are a
    net fiscal drain short term... or long term..
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2019 - 9:36 PM ET #13

    Biased Center for immigration studies misuse data from National academy of sciences report.  Actually, NAOS concluded illegal immigrants have a net positive economic impact.

    CIS has been criticized for numerous misleading reports with poor methodology by many experts.  Immigration policy center, Migration policy institute, Center for american progress, Urban institute, Cato institute, Center for budget policy priorities and National academy of sciences.  Also fact checkers such as politifact, snopes and factcheck.org.
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    Biased Center for immigration studies misuse data from National academy of sciences report.  Actually, NAOS concluded illegal immigrants have a net positive economic impact.

    CIS has been criticized for numerous misleading reports with poor methodology by many experts.  Immigration policy center, Migration policy institute, Center for american progress, Urban institute, Cato institute, Center for budget policy priorities and National academy of sciences.  Also fact checkers such as politifact, snopes and factcheck.org.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Biased Center for immigration studies misuse data from National academy of sciences report.  Actually, NAOS concluded illegal immigrants have a net positive economic impact.

    CIS has been criticized for numerous misleading reports with poor methodology by many experts.  Immigration policy center, Migration policy institute, Center for american progress, Urban institute, Cato institute, Center for budget policy priorities and National academy of sciences.  Also fact checkers such as politifact, snopes and factcheck.org.

    Gee, I wonder why CIS have been criticized by these centers ?

    Lets see.... the Migration Policy Institute has a left leaning.. They are in favor of easier immigration and more humane policies toward all immigration..receives funding from George Soros

    Center for American Progress.. an advocacy organization which presents a liberal viewpoint on economic and social issues..The first president and CEO was John Podesta,and receives funding from George Soros

    Urban Institute, has a Left-Center bias in reporting They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. ... financier George Soros supports the Center

    The Cato Institute .., encourages globalization all immigration is good even illegal  immigration..
    .

    The Center for Budget Policy Priorities has  been described as progressive, liberal, and left-leaning...funded by George Soros,

    Looks like they have a common thread...


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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Biased Center for immigration studies misuse data from National academy of sciences report.  Actually, NAOS concluded illegal immigrants have a net positive economic impact.

    CIS has been criticized for numerous misleading reports with poor methodology by many experts.  Immigration policy center, Migration policy institute, Center for american progress, Urban institute, Cato institute, Center for budget policy priorities and National academy of sciences.  Also fact checkers such as politifact, snopes and factcheck.org.

    Gee, I wonder why CIS have been criticized by these centers ?

    Lets see.... the Migration Policy Institute has a left leaning.. They are in favor of easier immigration and more humane policies toward all immigration..receives funding from George Soros

    Center for American Progress.. an advocacy organization which presents a liberal viewpoint on economic and social issues..The first president and CEO was John Podesta,and receives funding from George Soros

    Urban Institute, has a Left-Center bias in reporting They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. ... financier George Soros supports the Center

    The Cato Institute .., encourages globalization all immigration is good even illegal  immigration..
    .

    The Center for Budget Policy Priorities has  been described as progressive, liberal, and left-leaning...funded by George Soros,

    Looks like they have a common thread...


     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2019 - 11:13 PM ET #15

    [Quote: Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim]

    Gee, I wonder why CIS have been criticized by these centers ?

    Lets see.... the Migration Policy Institute has a left leaning.. They are in favor of easier immigration and more humane policies toward all immigration..receives funding from George Soros

    Center for American Progress.. an advocacy organization which presents a liberal viewpoint on economic and social issues..The first president and CEO was John Podesta,and receives funding from George Soros

    Urban Institute, has a Left-Center bias in reporting They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. ... financier George Soros supports the Center

    The Cato Institute .., encourages globalization all immigration is good even illegal  immigration..
    .

    The Center for Budget Policy Priorities has  been described as progressive, liberal, and left-leaning...funded by George Soros,

    Looks like they have a common thread...


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    What's the back round on CIS slim and what makes it believable?

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim]

    Gee, I wonder why CIS have been criticized by these centers ?

    Lets see.... the Migration Policy Institute has a left leaning.. They are in favor of easier immigration and more humane policies toward all immigration..receives funding from George Soros

    Center for American Progress.. an advocacy organization which presents a liberal viewpoint on economic and social issues..The first president and CEO was John Podesta,and receives funding from George Soros

    Urban Institute, has a Left-Center bias in reporting They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. ... financier George Soros supports the Center

    The Cato Institute .., encourages globalization all immigration is good even illegal  immigration..
    .

    The Center for Budget Policy Priorities has  been described as progressive, liberal, and left-leaning...funded by George Soros,

    Looks like they have a common thread...


    [/Quote/}

    What's the back round on CIS slim and what makes it believable?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2019 - 11:56 PM ET #16

    CIS is a immigration watchdog group and at times makes controversial points on immigration..

     Left-leaning self appointed judge of social justice ..the Southern Poverty Law Center is being sued by CIS after they labeled it a "hate group,"..

    The center brought its challenge just last week ,,to U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia by filing a civil complaint under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act against SPLC President Richard Cohen..lets see how this comes out..
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    CIS is a immigration watchdog group and at times makes controversial points on immigration..

     Left-leaning self appointed judge of social justice ..the Southern Poverty Law Center is being sued by CIS after they labeled it a "hate group,"..

    The center brought its challenge just last week ,,to U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia by filing a civil complaint under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act against SPLC President Richard Cohen..lets see how this comes out..
     
     
    darkhorse12
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    Posted: Jan. 24, 2019 - 7:23 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by faceoff:

     

    You make too much sense... The demons lovers come into your post and ''piglosi'' what you say... NOW YOU KNOW that common sense does not apply to demons.... JEALOUSY FOR WHAT THEY DO NOT HAVE AND JUST PLAIN EVIL ARE WHAT DEMONS ARE MADE OF..... LACK OF INTEGRITY AND A SERIOUS LACK OF INTELLIGENCE ALSO...


    Are you a Demon ? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by faceoff:

     

    You make too much sense... The demons lovers come into your post and ''piglosi'' what you say... NOW YOU KNOW that common sense does not apply to demons.... JEALOUSY FOR WHAT THEY DO NOT HAVE AND JUST PLAIN EVIL ARE WHAT DEMONS ARE MADE OF..... LACK OF INTEGRITY AND A SERIOUS LACK OF INTELLIGENCE ALSO...


    Are you a Demon ? 

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