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    U.S. evicts Russians for spying, imposes sanctions after election hacks

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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2016 - 8:46 PM ET #1

    By Jeff Mason and Lesley Wroughton | HONOLULU/WASHINGTON
    President Barack Obama on Thursday ordered the expulsion of 35 Russian suspected spies and imposed sanctions on two Russian intelligence agencies over their involvement in hacking U.S. political groups in the 2016 presidential election.

    The measures, taken during the last days of Obama's presidency, mark a new post-Cold War low in U.S.-Russian ties, which have deteriorated over differences about Syria and Ukraine.

    Allegations by U.S. intelligence agencies that Russian President Vladimir Putin personally directed efforts to intervene in the U.S. election process by hacking mostly Democrats have made relations even worse.

    "These actions follow repeated private and public warnings that we have issued to the Russian government, and are a necessary and appropriate response to efforts to harm U.S. interests in violation of established international norms of behavior," Obama said in a statement from vacation in Hawaii.

    "All Americans should be alarmed by Russia’s actions," he said.

    It was not clear whether President-elect Donald Trump, who has repeatedly praised Putin and nominated people seen as friendly toward Moscow to senior administration posts, would seek to roll back the measures once he takes office on Jan. 20.

    Trump has brushed aside allegations from the CIA and other intelligence agencies that Russia was behind the cyber attacks but on Thursday he said he would meet with intelligence officials soon.

    “It's time for our country to move on to bigger and better things," Trump said in a statement. "Nevertheless, in the interest of our country and its great people, I will meet with leaders of the intelligence community next week in order to be updated on the facts of this situation," he said, without mentioning Russia.

    The Kremlin, which denounced the sanctions as unlawful and promised "adequate" retaliation, questioned whether Trump approved of the new sanctions. Moscow denies the hacking allegations.

    U.S. intelligence agencies say Russia was behind hacks into Democratic Party organizations and operatives ahead of the Nov. 8 presidential election. U.S. intelligence officials also say that the Russian cyber attacks were aimed at helping Trump, a Republican, defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton.


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-idUSKBN14I1TY
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    By Jeff Mason and Lesley Wroughton | HONOLULU/WASHINGTON
    President Barack Obama on Thursday ordered the expulsion of 35 Russian suspected spies and imposed sanctions on two Russian intelligence agencies over their involvement in hacking U.S. political groups in the 2016 presidential election.

    The measures, taken during the last days of Obama's presidency, mark a new post-Cold War low in U.S.-Russian ties, which have deteriorated over differences about Syria and Ukraine.

    Allegations by U.S. intelligence agencies that Russian President Vladimir Putin personally directed efforts to intervene in the U.S. election process by hacking mostly Democrats have made relations even worse.

    "These actions follow repeated private and public warnings that we have issued to the Russian government, and are a necessary and appropriate response to efforts to harm U.S. interests in violation of established international norms of behavior," Obama said in a statement from vacation in Hawaii.

    "All Americans should be alarmed by Russia’s actions," he said.

    It was not clear whether President-elect Donald Trump, who has repeatedly praised Putin and nominated people seen as friendly toward Moscow to senior administration posts, would seek to roll back the measures once he takes office on Jan. 20.

    Trump has brushed aside allegations from the CIA and other intelligence agencies that Russia was behind the cyber attacks but on Thursday he said he would meet with intelligence officials soon.

    “It's time for our country to move on to bigger and better things," Trump said in a statement. "Nevertheless, in the interest of our country and its great people, I will meet with leaders of the intelligence community next week in order to be updated on the facts of this situation," he said, without mentioning Russia.

    The Kremlin, which denounced the sanctions as unlawful and promised "adequate" retaliation, questioned whether Trump approved of the new sanctions. Moscow denies the hacking allegations.

    U.S. intelligence agencies say Russia was behind hacks into Democratic Party organizations and operatives ahead of the Nov. 8 presidential election. U.S. intelligence officials also say that the Russian cyber attacks were aimed at helping Trump, a Republican, defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton.


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-idUSKBN14I1TY
     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2016 - 8:47 PM ET #2

    “It’s time for our country to move on to bigger and better things,” Trump said in a two-sentence statement released just after 6 p.m. EST. “Nevertheless, in the interest of our country and its great people, I will meet with leaders of the intelligence community next week in order to be updated on the facts of this situation.”


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    “It’s time for our country to move on to bigger and better things,” Trump said in a two-sentence statement released just after 6 p.m. EST. “Nevertheless, in the interest of our country and its great people, I will meet with leaders of the intelligence community next week in order to be updated on the facts of this situation.”


     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2016 - 8:58 PM ET #3

    Hmm , Trump has never met with leaders of the intelligence community to see the evidence but he and his transition defended Russia 

    why ?


    “These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction,” the transition said in a terse, unsigned statement.

    “The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It’s now time to move on and ‘Make America Great Again.'”


    The CIA did  cast doubt on the actual extent of Saddam's WMD program


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    Hmm , Trump has never met with leaders of the intelligence community to see the evidence but he and his transition defended Russia 

    why ?


    “These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction,” the transition said in a terse, unsigned statement.

    “The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It’s now time to move on and ‘Make America Great Again.'”


    The CIA did  cast doubt on the actual extent of Saddam's WMD program


     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2016 - 9:02 PM ET #4

    Obama also announced that Russians would not longer have access to two facilities used for intelligence gathering and as a retreat by Russian operatives and diplomats working in the United States. The Russian Federation maintained ownership of a 45 acre property on Maryland’s Eastern Shore (not far from Washington, D.C.).

    The retreat near Centreville, Maryland was purchased by the Soviet Union in 1972 and transferred to the Russian Federation in 1995. The property was widely covered as a retreat for Russian diplomats for decades. Obama also shut down another site in New York.

    Obama also said that there would be summary reports from specific intelligence agencies, set to be released before the end of his presidency.
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    Obama also announced that Russians would not longer have access to two facilities used for intelligence gathering and as a retreat by Russian operatives and diplomats working in the United States. The Russian Federation maintained ownership of a 45 acre property on Maryland’s Eastern Shore (not far from Washington, D.C.).

    The retreat near Centreville, Maryland was purchased by the Soviet Union in 1972 and transferred to the Russian Federation in 1995. The property was widely covered as a retreat for Russian diplomats for decades. Obama also shut down another site in New York.

    Obama also said that there would be summary reports from specific intelligence agencies, set to be released before the end of his presidency.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2016 - 10:29 PM ET #5

    the absolute thought of an american russian alliance is frightening the establishment. not just obama and kerry but McCain and Gramm also lining up to announce inquiry and sanctions.


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    the absolute thought of an american russian alliance is frightening the establishment. not just obama and kerry but McCain and Gramm also lining up to announce inquiry and sanctions.


     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2016 - 6:04 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by QMICH:


    THE THOUGHT AND SOON REALITY OF A RUSSIA/TRUMP ALLIANCE SHOULD SCARE THE SHITOUT OF ANY SANE PERSON

    why you hate peace ... time we put this mirage to rest.

    and ybsane ? so you can feel like yes ma'am you the boss you says so....

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    Quote Originally Posted by QMICH:


    THE THOUGHT AND SOON REALITY OF A RUSSIA/TRUMP ALLIANCE SHOULD SCARE THE SHITOUT OF ANY SANE PERSON

    why you hate peace ... time we put this mirage to rest.

    and ybsane ? so you can feel like yes ma'am you the boss you says so....

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2016 - 6:39 PM ET #7

    if anyone knows how to cover up the facts the democrats are mastered this art . Russias fault they are monsters.

    lbj covered up so many things and completely squashed descenting views 'cause we are insane conspiracy theorists, fdr the country didn't even know he was in a wheel chair.

    again again again but where they only were masters the Clintons have completely doctored the field of distract deflect dismiss and deny the facts of their conduct.

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    if anyone knows how to cover up the facts the democrats are mastered this art . Russias fault they are monsters.

    lbj covered up so many things and completely squashed descenting views 'cause we are insane conspiracy theorists, fdr the country didn't even know he was in a wheel chair.

    again again again but where they only were masters the Clintons have completely doctored the field of distract deflect dismiss and deny the facts of their conduct.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2016 - 9:17 PM ET #8

    After 8 years in office, we sure are lucky he finally found these spies.
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    After 8 years in office, we sure are lucky he finally found these spies.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2016 - 9:38 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by 1129ken:

    After 8 years in office, we sure are lucky he finally found these spies.

    IF you are not hating on someone or wishing politicians died faster than 80's rockers, you resort to lame post and weak sarcasm.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 1129ken:

    After 8 years in office, we sure are lucky he finally found these spies.

    IF you are not hating on someone or wishing politicians died faster than 80's rockers, you resort to lame post and weak sarcasm.


     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2016 - 9:54 PM ET #10

    There have been suspicions about the luxurious Maryland property (45-acre compound just 30 minutes' drive from Washington D.C) since it was bought by the Soviet government in 1972


    it's not far from Washington DC and the white house

    why was this allowed ?

    hmmm

    Remember Anna Vasil'yevna Chapman, the  Russian national who also gained British citizenship by marriage. 
    She was residing in New York City when she was arrested, along with nine other Russians, on 27 June 2010
    on suspicion of working for the Illegals Program spy ring under the Russian Federation's external intelligence agency, the SVR (Sluzhba Vneshney Razvedki)
    Chapman pleaded guilty to a charge of conspiracy to act as an agent of a foreign government without notifying the U.S. Attorney General. She and the other Russians were deported to Russia on 8 July 2010, as part of a prisoner swap. Learning that Chapman had wanted to return to the United Kingdom, the government revoked her British citizenship and excluded her from the country.
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    There have been suspicions about the luxurious Maryland property (45-acre compound just 30 minutes' drive from Washington D.C) since it was bought by the Soviet government in 1972


    it's not far from Washington DC and the white house

    why was this allowed ?

    hmmm

    Remember Anna Vasil'yevna Chapman, the  Russian national who also gained British citizenship by marriage. 
    She was residing in New York City when she was arrested, along with nine other Russians, on 27 June 2010
    on suspicion of working for the Illegals Program spy ring under the Russian Federation's external intelligence agency, the SVR (Sluzhba Vneshney Razvedki)
    Chapman pleaded guilty to a charge of conspiracy to act as an agent of a foreign government without notifying the U.S. Attorney General. She and the other Russians were deported to Russia on 8 July 2010, as part of a prisoner swap. Learning that Chapman had wanted to return to the United Kingdom, the government revoked her British citizenship and excluded her from the country.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2016 - 10:01 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    why you hate peace ... time we put this mirage to rest.

    and ybsane ? so you can feel like yes ma'am you the boss you says so....


    what are you talking about ?

    You trust a former KGB colonel.

    Under Putin, more Russian spies are operating through Europe in greater numbers than the KGB.

    They are launching cyber attacks, killing dissenters, sabotaging economic plans, infiltrating protest groups and buying state secrets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    why you hate peace ... time we put this mirage to rest.

    and ybsane ? so you can feel like yes ma'am you the boss you says so....


    what are you talking about ?

    You trust a former KGB colonel.

    Under Putin, more Russian spies are operating through Europe in greater numbers than the KGB.

    They are launching cyber attacks, killing dissenters, sabotaging economic plans, infiltrating protest groups and buying state secrets.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2016 - 10:19 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    IF you are not hating on someone or wishing politicians died faster than 80's rockers, you resort to lame post and weak sarcasm.




    Happy New Year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    IF you are not hating on someone or wishing politicians died faster than 80's rockers, you resort to lame post and weak sarcasm.




    Happy New Year.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2016 - 11:24 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by 1129ken:



    Happy New Year.

    something positive for a change
    hope you meant it   


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    Quote Originally Posted by 1129ken:



    Happy New Year.

    something positive for a change
    hope you meant it   


     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2016 - 11:31 PM ET #14

    RUSSIA AT WAR Russian spies have infiltrated Britain and the West in ‘GREATER numbers than the KGB ever managed to’

    Vladimir Putin's use of espionage and assassinations is unparalleled even compared to the Soviet Union's notorious KGB
    EXCLUSIVE

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2135011/russian-spies-have-infiltrated-britain-and-the-west-in-greater-numbers-than-the-kgb-ever-managed-to/
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    RUSSIA AT WAR Russian spies have infiltrated Britain and the West in ‘GREATER numbers than the KGB ever managed to’

    Vladimir Putin's use of espionage and assassinations is unparalleled even compared to the Soviet Union's notorious KGB
    EXCLUSIVE

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2135011/russian-spies-have-infiltrated-britain-and-the-west-in-greater-numbers-than-the-kgb-ever-managed-to/
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 2, 2017 - 8:25 PM ET #15

    can't wait until Tuesday or Wednesday

    What does Russia have on Trump ?

    Trump has discredited/denigrated USA intelligence community 

    Trump 's campaign slogan was "Make America Great" # MAGA
    https://greatagain.gov/

    But he is spending a lot of time praising Vladimir Putin and Russia

    is this about "Make Russia Great Again" 

    what does Trump know that the intelligence community does not know ?


    1) Trump Admits to Relationship with Putin in 2013

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn1ZK2kcfQ8&feature=youtu.be

    2)  Russian Registered Trump Companies ( 249 LLCs registered in Russia that have "Trump" in the name )

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SqqL_KIUv8DOZVtEjglcXCFYYNU0eK6afypmaqT65LQ/edit#gid=0

    3) Donald Trump Jr. in Latvia talking about the many business deals he's looked at in Moscow (2012)”

    https://youtu.be/UM7v2aeDdT8



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    can't wait until Tuesday or Wednesday

    What does Russia have on Trump ?

    Trump has discredited/denigrated USA intelligence community 

    Trump 's campaign slogan was "Make America Great" # MAGA
    https://greatagain.gov/

    But he is spending a lot of time praising Vladimir Putin and Russia

    is this about "Make Russia Great Again" 

    what does Trump know that the intelligence community does not know ?


    1) Trump Admits to Relationship with Putin in 2013

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn1ZK2kcfQ8&feature=youtu.be

    2)  Russian Registered Trump Companies ( 249 LLCs registered in Russia that have "Trump" in the name )

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SqqL_KIUv8DOZVtEjglcXCFYYNU0eK6afypmaqT65LQ/edit#gid=0

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