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    The rats keep eating the cheese

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    Doubleadownon12
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2018 - 7:30 PM ET #1

    Ladies and Gentlemen we got em!! The big fish has jumped ship. Yes I am talking about Paul Manafort finally giving up the game and providing all the evidence to nail Trump. Money laundering. Obstruction of Justice. Fraud. Conspiring with the enemy. I don't think even Trump can survive until the Mueller report comes out. He might as well fire him now. Not like he really has anything left to lose when he's two steps from the prison jumpsuits.

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    Ladies and Gentlemen we got em!! The big fish has jumped ship. Yes I am talking about Paul Manafort finally giving up the game and providing all the evidence to nail Trump. Money laundering. Obstruction of Justice. Fraud. Conspiring with the enemy. I don't think even Trump can survive until the Mueller report comes out. He might as well fire him now. Not like he really has anything left to lose when he's two steps from the prison jumpsuits.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2018 - 10:10 PM ET #2

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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2018 - 10:51 PM ET #3

    I am not going that far but seriously how could Trump put this guy in a position like he did? Talk about the swamp, Manafort has done some seriously awful things, many many many illegal awful things.

    Does Trump lack the ability to properly screen the people he surrounds himself with? Manafort isnt the only either, makes me think Trump once again and so often lacks the proper skills to build an organization and think about all the details like this. 

    Manafort for sure puts a huge target on Trump's back, if the guy was doing all these admitted, documented things, what the crap did he do for Trump? 

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    I am not going that far but seriously how could Trump put this guy in a position like he did? Talk about the swamp, Manafort has done some seriously awful things, many many many illegal awful things.

    Does Trump lack the ability to properly screen the people he surrounds himself with? Manafort isnt the only either, makes me think Trump once again and so often lacks the proper skills to build an organization and think about all the details like this. 

    Manafort for sure puts a huge target on Trump's back, if the guy was doing all these admitted, documented things, what the crap did he do for Trump? 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2018 - 1:12 AM ET #4

    One by one, chickens are coming home to roost.


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    One by one, chickens are coming home to roost.


     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2018 - 1:30 AM ET #5

    Manafort was one of many bad selections candidate Trump and later President Trump has made.. I feel he just looked at Manafort ( like he does others) and thinks ,,that's a successful person..regardless of their past dealings..Donald Trump was/is a businessmen not a politician. 

    He hires people on gut instinct rather than qualifications..  e.i. Matthew Calamari, the organization’s chief operating officer, was recruited in 1981 after Mr. Trump saw him eject some hecklers while working security at the United States Open tennis tournament....  gut instinct and personal loyalty counts with Donald Trump..

    When President was running the Trump Organization with it's over 20,000 employees and a group of approximately 500 business he had many executive vice presidents in different areas..but essentially it was Donald Trump's show to run...and I believe he had his finger prints on every aspect of his business..

    Some of the Governments agencies have over 20,000 employees alone and the US government employees somewhere between 4.8 and 4.9 million persons who are engaged in the Federal workforce in either a civilian, military, or contractor capacity...

    With this large of an organization President Trump will have to do a much better job of selecting good solid people to whom he can delegate responsibility too.....in this area President Trump who is an authentic leader will have to be more of a politician,, than an individual businessman..and distribute the leadership ..maybe he will grow onto this by his second term..
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    Manafort was one of many bad selections candidate Trump and later President Trump has made.. I feel he just looked at Manafort ( like he does others) and thinks ,,that's a successful person..regardless of their past dealings..Donald Trump was/is a businessmen not a politician. 

    He hires people on gut instinct rather than qualifications..  e.i. Matthew Calamari, the organization’s chief operating officer, was recruited in 1981 after Mr. Trump saw him eject some hecklers while working security at the United States Open tennis tournament....  gut instinct and personal loyalty counts with Donald Trump..

    When President was running the Trump Organization with it's over 20,000 employees and a group of approximately 500 business he had many executive vice presidents in different areas..but essentially it was Donald Trump's show to run...and I believe he had his finger prints on every aspect of his business..

    Some of the Governments agencies have over 20,000 employees alone and the US government employees somewhere between 4.8 and 4.9 million persons who are engaged in the Federal workforce in either a civilian, military, or contractor capacity...

    With this large of an organization President Trump will have to do a much better job of selecting good solid people to whom he can delegate responsibility too.....in this area President Trump who is an authentic leader will have to be more of a politician,, than an individual businessman..and distribute the leadership ..maybe he will grow onto this by his second term..
     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2018 - 7:53 AM ET #6

    Legal experts consider Manafort's cooperation is a significant win for Mueller and a big setback for Trump.  If Trump tries to pardon Manafort, the case for obstruction of justice would be more compelling. 

    Trump repeatedly claims Mueller investigation is a witchhunt.  Obbviously, Mueller investigation is legitimate as indicated by multiple guilty pleas, indictments and convictions.  According to theatlantic, 187 criminal charges so far.  Whereas the true witchhunt is against Hillary Clinton as proven by extensive investigations leading to nothing.

    Trump boasts of his dream team.  But it is actually the most incompetent and untrustworthy administration in decades.  Unusually high turnover in staff.  Since Trump has a history of defrauding people in business,  unqualified people are hired based on loyalty.   According to almost 170 scholars of American political science association, Trump is ranked as the worst president in US history.
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    Legal experts consider Manafort's cooperation is a significant win for Mueller and a big setback for Trump.  If Trump tries to pardon Manafort, the case for obstruction of justice would be more compelling. 

    Trump repeatedly claims Mueller investigation is a witchhunt.  Obbviously, Mueller investigation is legitimate as indicated by multiple guilty pleas, indictments and convictions.  According to theatlantic, 187 criminal charges so far.  Whereas the true witchhunt is against Hillary Clinton as proven by extensive investigations leading to nothing.

    Trump boasts of his dream team.  But it is actually the most incompetent and untrustworthy administration in decades.  Unusually high turnover in staff.  Since Trump has a history of defrauding people in business,  unqualified people are hired based on loyalty.   According to almost 170 scholars of American political science association, Trump is ranked as the worst president in US history.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2018 - 10:33 AM ET #7

    While I agree with almost everything you said I gotta disagree with that last part. Trump may be totally incompetent, a racist and potential "won" his election through illegitimate means but ask any Presidential expert who the worst President is and virtually every single one would say Bush. Completely ignored intelligence leading to 9/11, Katrina, Iraq, the Financial Meltdown, massive torture program, massive surveillance program, the list is endless. People that hate Trump need to take things in perspective.

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    While I agree with almost everything you said I gotta disagree with that last part. Trump may be totally incompetent, a racist and potential "won" his election through illegitimate means but ask any Presidential expert who the worst President is and virtually every single one would say Bush. Completely ignored intelligence leading to 9/11, Katrina, Iraq, the Financial Meltdown, massive torture program, massive surveillance program, the list is endless. People that hate Trump need to take things in perspective.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2018 - 11:33 AM ET #8

    Trump is one of the best Democratic get out vote speakers in history while some democrats admit our first gentleman of the United States should not be a womanizer. They all agree Trump gotta go. 

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    Trump is one of the best Democratic get out vote speakers in history while some democrats admit our first gentleman of the United States should not be a womanizer. They all agree Trump gotta go. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2018 - 2:03 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Legal experts consider Manafort's cooperation is a significant win for Mueller and a big setback for Trump.  If Trump tries to pardon Manafort, the case for obstruction of justice would be more compelling.  Trump repeatedly claims Mueller investigation is a witchhunt.  Obbviously, Mueller investigation is legitimate as indicated by multiple guilty pleas, indictments and convictions.  According to theatlantic, 187 criminal charges so far.  Whereas the true witchhunt is against Hillary Clinton as proven by extensive investigations leading to nothing.Trump boasts of his dream team.  But it is actually the most incompetent and untrustworthy administration in decades.  Unusually high turnover in staff.  Since Trump has a history of defrauding people in business,  unqualified people are hired based on loyalty.   According to almost 170 scholars of American political science association, Trump is ranked as the worst president in US history.

    187 charges? But none related to Trump campaign colluding with Russia. How is that a success? 

    Hypothetical, so cops are called to grisly murder scene, charge a man outside the house with traffic violation, double parked. Is that a victory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Legal experts consider Manafort's cooperation is a significant win for Mueller and a big setback for Trump.  If Trump tries to pardon Manafort, the case for obstruction of justice would be more compelling.  Trump repeatedly claims Mueller investigation is a witchhunt.  Obbviously, Mueller investigation is legitimate as indicated by multiple guilty pleas, indictments and convictions.  According to theatlantic, 187 criminal charges so far.  Whereas the true witchhunt is against Hillary Clinton as proven by extensive investigations leading to nothing.Trump boasts of his dream team.  But it is actually the most incompetent and untrustworthy administration in decades.  Unusually high turnover in staff.  Since Trump has a history of defrauding people in business,  unqualified people are hired based on loyalty.   According to almost 170 scholars of American political science association, Trump is ranked as the worst president in US history.

    187 charges? But none related to Trump campaign colluding with Russia. How is that a success? 

    Hypothetical, so cops are called to grisly murder scene, charge a man outside the house with traffic violation, double parked. Is that a victory?

     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2018 - 2:06 PM ET #10

    Not until he destroys the Republican  Psrty in the process. As we currently stand the House is lost for sure with a minimum of 40 seats, up to 60 depending how deep the wave is. The Senate is more of an uphill climb but even if the Dems don't take it this cycle, as long as they lose no seats they will take it for sure in 2020. It takes a real piece of work to swing male voters + 6 toward Democrats.

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    Not until he destroys the Republican  Psrty in the process. As we currently stand the House is lost for sure with a minimum of 40 seats, up to 60 depending how deep the wave is. The Senate is more of an uphill climb but even if the Dems don't take it this cycle, as long as they lose no seats they will take it for sure in 2020. It takes a real piece of work to swing male voters + 6 toward Democrats.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doubleadownon12:

    Not until he destroys the Republican  Psrty in the process. As we currently stand the House is lost for sure with a minimum of 40 seats, up to 60 depending how deep the wave is. The Senate is more of an uphill climb but even if the Dems don't take it this cycle, as long as they lose no seats they will take it for sure in 2020. It takes a real piece of work to swing male voters + 6 toward Democrats.


    What Republican Psrty ?

    The Old GOP is already dead...there's a New Republican Psrty and Edward-Isaac Dovere  at Political recently said it best ...

    "Put a blond comb-over on the elephant. Take down the pictures of Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan.

    It’s over. It’s Donald Trump’s GOP.

    "The anti-Trump candidates are fleeing",(e.g.Sen.Bob Corker,  Rep.Charlie Dent.. Sen.Jeff Flake.and the involuntary departure of Sen.John McCain)" and the ones who stick around are getting trampled..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doubleadownon12:

    Not until he destroys the Republican  Psrty in the process. As we currently stand the House is lost for sure with a minimum of 40 seats, up to 60 depending how deep the wave is. The Senate is more of an uphill climb but even if the Dems don't take it this cycle, as long as they lose no seats they will take it for sure in 2020. It takes a real piece of work to swing male voters + 6 toward Democrats.


    What Republican Psrty ?

    The Old GOP is already dead...there's a New Republican Psrty and Edward-Isaac Dovere  at Political recently said it best ...

    "Put a blond comb-over on the elephant. Take down the pictures of Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan.

    It’s over. It’s Donald Trump’s GOP.

    "The anti-Trump candidates are fleeing",(e.g.Sen.Bob Corker,  Rep.Charlie Dent.. Sen.Jeff Flake.and the involuntary departure of Sen.John McCain)" and the ones who stick around are getting trampled..."

     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2018 - 6:20 PM ET #12

    You bumped this almost 2 week old thread for this gibberish?

    Tell us about Goldy & Rudy meeting in Toronto.

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    You bumped this almost 2 week old thread for this gibberish?

    Tell us about Goldy & Rudy meeting in Toronto.

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