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    Midnight1
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2023 - 1:31 PM ET #1

    Do we have a "rebuttal" after every State of the Union speech?

    I don't know when this first took place but it seems to me that if we are truly the "United Sates" why is a rebuttal needed?

    Instead of a rebuttal, why not a speech of concurrence demonstrating the support of our president & goals of the nation?

    I believe that would send a better message to us all. 

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    Do we have a "rebuttal" after every State of the Union speech?

    I don't know when this first took place but it seems to me that if we are truly the "United Sates" why is a rebuttal needed?

    Instead of a rebuttal, why not a speech of concurrence demonstrating the support of our president & goals of the nation?

    I believe that would send a better message to us all. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2023 - 1:37 PM ET #2

    The practice began in 1966 when Republican U.S. Senator Everett Dirksen (Illinois) and U.S. Representative Gerald Ford (Michigan) appeared on TV to offer a response to the address by Democratic President Lyndon Johnson.

     

    Something to do with democracy rather than dictatorship.

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    The practice began in 1966 when Republican U.S. Senator Everett Dirksen (Illinois) and U.S. Representative Gerald Ford (Michigan) appeared on TV to offer a response to the address by Democratic President Lyndon Johnson.

     

    Something to do with democracy rather than dictatorship.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2023 - 1:50 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    The practice began in 1966 when Republican U.S. Senator Everett Dirksen (Illinois) and U.S. Representative Gerald Ford (Michigan) appeared on TV to offer a response to the address by Democratic President Lyndon Johnson.   Something to do with democracy rather than dictatorship.

    an_lightan_lightan_light

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    The practice began in 1966 when Republican U.S. Senator Everett Dirksen (Illinois) and U.S. Representative Gerald Ford (Michigan) appeared on TV to offer a response to the address by Democratic President Lyndon Johnson.   Something to do with democracy rather than dictatorship.

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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2023 - 1:53 PM ET #4

    @UNIMAN

     Thanks for that info. 

    It seems really silly since the rebuttal is written before the State of the Union is even given.

    It's like whatever the current president says doesn't matter because I have to take an opposite position.

    confused

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    @UNIMAN

     Thanks for that info. 

    It seems really silly since the rebuttal is written before the State of the Union is even given.

    It's like whatever the current president says doesn't matter because I have to take an opposite position.

    confused

     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2023 - 1:55 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @UNIMAN  Thanks for that info.  It seems really silly since the rebuttal is written before the State of the Union is even given. It's like whatever the current president says doesn't matter because I have to take an opposite position.

    peace_5 Precisely!  Tribal politics.

     

    To be fair though, it is the same for each presidential address, Dem or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @UNIMAN  Thanks for that info.  It seems really silly since the rebuttal is written before the State of the Union is even given. It's like whatever the current president says doesn't matter because I have to take an opposite position.

    peace_5 Precisely!  Tribal politics.

     

    To be fair though, it is the same for each presidential address, Dem or not

     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2023 - 1:58 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @UNIMAN  Thanks for that info.  It seems really silly since the rebuttal is written before the State of the Union is even given. It's like whatever the current president says doesn't matter because I have to take an opposite position. Precisely!  Tribal politics.   To be fair though, it is the same for each presidential address, Dem or not

    Identity politics you say??? 
    Blind partisan narrative swallowing???

    Please tell us more, I don't see any evidence of this anywhere throughout this sub or posting history an_beatup

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @UNIMAN  Thanks for that info.  It seems really silly since the rebuttal is written before the State of the Union is even given. It's like whatever the current president says doesn't matter because I have to take an opposite position. Precisely!  Tribal politics.   To be fair though, it is the same for each presidential address, Dem or not

    Identity politics you say??? 
    Blind partisan narrative swallowing???

    Please tell us more, I don't see any evidence of this anywhere throughout this sub or posting history an_beatup

     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2023 - 2:11 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Do we have a "rebuttal" after every State of the Union speech? I don't know when this first took place but it seems to me that if we are truly the "United Sates" why is a rebuttal needed? Instead of a rebuttal, why not a speech of concurrence demonstrating the support of our president & goals of the nation? I believe that would send a better message to us all.

    intresting thought       in time of crisis americans tend to b more conciliatory and work together   but the other 99% of the time they each go to their respective corners rather than work together for the common good

     

     

     

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Do we have a "rebuttal" after every State of the Union speech? I don't know when this first took place but it seems to me that if we are truly the "United Sates" why is a rebuttal needed? Instead of a rebuttal, why not a speech of concurrence demonstrating the support of our president & goals of the nation? I believe that would send a better message to us all.

    intresting thought       in time of crisis americans tend to b more conciliatory and work together   but the other 99% of the time they each go to their respective corners rather than work together for the common good

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2023 - 2:13 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @UNIMAN  Thanks for that info.  It seems really silly since the rebuttal is written before the State of the Union is even given. It's like whatever the current president says doesn't matter because I have to take an opposite position.

     

    very unfortunate the country has devolved over the past several decades into this

    the division is holding us back in our rivalry with the likes of china

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @UNIMAN  Thanks for that info.  It seems really silly since the rebuttal is written before the State of the Union is even given. It's like whatever the current president says doesn't matter because I have to take an opposite position.

     

    very unfortunate the country has devolved over the past several decades into this

    the division is holding us back in our rivalry with the likes of china

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2023 - 2:17 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @UNIMAN  Thanks for that info.  It seems really silly since the rebuttal is written before the State of the Union is even given. It's like whatever the current president says doesn't matter because I have to take an opposite position. Precisely!  Tribal politics.   To be fair though, it is the same for each presidential address, Dem or not

     

    true  peace_5       the democrats do the same address rebuttal when a neo-fascist is in the white house

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @UNIMAN  Thanks for that info.  It seems really silly since the rebuttal is written before the State of the Union is even given. It's like whatever the current president says doesn't matter because I have to take an opposite position. Precisely!  Tribal politics.   To be fair though, it is the same for each presidential address, Dem or not

     

    true  peace_5       the democrats do the same address rebuttal when a neo-fascist is in the white house

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2023 - 9:27 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @UNIMAN  Thanks for that info.  It seems really silly since the rebuttal is written before the State of the Union is even given. It's like whatever the current president says doesn't matter because I have to take an opposite position.

     

    Well, how about instead of civilized rebuttal just stand behind the President and tear up his speech for all the world to see. an_light

    Then complain of tribal politics and division.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @UNIMAN  Thanks for that info.  It seems really silly since the rebuttal is written before the State of the Union is even given. It's like whatever the current president says doesn't matter because I have to take an opposite position.

     

    Well, how about instead of civilized rebuttal just stand behind the President and tear up his speech for all the world to see. an_light

    Then complain of tribal politics and division.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2023 - 10:22 PM ET #11

    @UNIMAN

     How about MTG calling Joe a liar & the idiot from Texas interrupting the president? Aer you good with that? How about Andy Biggs wearing sunglasses on the floor?

    None of these childish acts are stopping Joe.

    BAN ASSALT WEAPONS NOW!

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    @UNIMAN

     How about MTG calling Joe a liar & the idiot from Texas interrupting the president? Aer you good with that? How about Andy Biggs wearing sunglasses on the floor?

    None of these childish acts are stopping Joe.

    BAN ASSALT WEAPONS NOW!

     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2023 - 10:30 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @UNIMAN  How about MTG calling Joe a liar & the idiot from Texas interrupting the president? Aer you good with that? How about Andy Biggs wearing sunglasses on the floor? None of these childish acts are stopping Joe. BAN ASSALT WEAPONS NOW!

    peace_5  an_worship

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @UNIMAN  How about MTG calling Joe a liar & the idiot from Texas interrupting the president? Aer you good with that? How about Andy Biggs wearing sunglasses on the floor? None of these childish acts are stopping Joe. BAN ASSALT WEAPONS NOW!

    peace_5  an_worship

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2023 - 10:33 PM ET #13

    Probably should have worn orange and act like they were reading the book "The sutle art of not giving a fu*k."

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    Probably should have worn orange and act like they were reading the book "The sutle art of not giving a fu*k."

     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2023 - 10:36 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @UNIMAN  How about MTG calling Joe a liar & the idiot from Texas interrupting the president? Aer you good with that? How about Andy Biggs wearing sunglasses on the floor? None of these childish acts are stopping Joe. BAN ASSALT WEAPONS NOW!

    California now leads the nation this year in mass shooting murders. 31 dead, all by pistols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @UNIMAN  How about MTG calling Joe a liar & the idiot from Texas interrupting the president? Aer you good with that? How about Andy Biggs wearing sunglasses on the floor? None of these childish acts are stopping Joe. BAN ASSALT WEAPONS NOW!

    California now leads the nation this year in mass shooting murders. 31 dead, all by pistols.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @UNIMAN  How about MTG calling Joe a liar & the idiot from Texas interrupting the president? Aer you good with that? How about Andy Biggs wearing sunglasses on the floor? None of these childish acts are stopping Joe. BAN ASSALT WEAPONS NOW!

    I remember when Pelosi tore up the speech of twice-impeached fascist leader of the trump crime family.....it was shortly AFTER the egotistical fraud had refused to shake her hand prior to the speech when she made the good will gesture first to offer a handshake.... Personally, I thought she should have lit his speech on fire........tit for tat is fair play...

    Works both ways.   Yes, if dems do it then republicans have every right to respond in kind .....and vice-versa.

    TRUMP started that @#$% in the chamber that night.  Not Pelosi. an_shake

    Intelligent people do understand that much....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @UNIMAN  How about MTG calling Joe a liar & the idiot from Texas interrupting the president? Aer you good with that? How about Andy Biggs wearing sunglasses on the floor? None of these childish acts are stopping Joe. BAN ASSALT WEAPONS NOW!

    I remember when Pelosi tore up the speech of twice-impeached fascist leader of the trump crime family.....it was shortly AFTER the egotistical fraud had refused to shake her hand prior to the speech when she made the good will gesture first to offer a handshake.... Personally, I thought she should have lit his speech on fire........tit for tat is fair play...

    Works both ways.   Yes, if dems do it then republicans have every right to respond in kind .....and vice-versa.

    TRUMP started that @#$% in the chamber that night.  Not Pelosi. an_shake

    Intelligent people do understand that much....

     
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    “Ask not what your country can do for you - ask … I don’t like guys who get captured.”

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    “Ask not what your country can do for you - ask … I don’t like guys who get captured.”

    DJT

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @UNIMAN  How about MTG calling Joe a liar & the idiot from Texas interrupting the president? Aer you good with that? How about Andy Biggs wearing sunglasses on the floor? None of these childish acts are stopping Joe. BAN ASSALT WEAPONS NOW! California now leads the nation this year in mass shooting murders. 31 dead, all by pistols.

     

    Strange how the three States with the most deaths by firearms; Texas, California & Florida (in that order)....Are also the three most populous States....

    Funny how those statistics work out huh....  

     

     

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @UNIMAN  How about MTG calling Joe a liar & the idiot from Texas interrupting the president? Aer you good with that? How about Andy Biggs wearing sunglasses on the floor? None of these childish acts are stopping Joe. BAN ASSALT WEAPONS NOW! California now leads the nation this year in mass shooting murders. 31 dead, all by pistols.

     

    Strange how the three States with the most deaths by firearms; Texas, California & Florida (in that order)....Are also the three most populous States....

    Funny how those statistics work out huh....  

     

     

     
    KellyM_1964
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2023 - 4:34 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @UNIMAN  How about MTG calling Joe a liar & the idiot from Texas interrupting the president? Aer you good with that? How about Andy Biggs wearing sunglasses on the floor? None of these childish acts are stopping Joe. BAN ASSALT WEAPONS NOW! I remember when Pelosi tore up the speech of twice-impeached fascist leader of the trump crime family.....it was shortly AFTER the egotistical fraud had refused to shake her hand prior to the speech when she made the good will gesture first to offer a handshake.... Personally, I thought she should have lit his speech on fire........tit for tat is fair play... Works both ways.   Yes, if dems do it then republicans have every right to respond in kind .....and vice-versa. TRUMP started that @#$% in the chamber that night.  Not Pelosi.an_shake Intelligent people do understand that much....

       

    i remember that

    was at the same time trump was downplaying the severity of covid19

    the childish immature "handshake snub ", followed by the "right back at ya rip-up-the-garbage-speech-of the-leader-of-the-chump-crime-family "

    we didnt know at the time that chump would b thrown out of the whitehouse by the american public   then he would incite a violent insurrection and get impeached a second time and refuse the peaceful transfer of power

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @UNIMAN  How about MTG calling Joe a liar & the idiot from Texas interrupting the president? Aer you good with that? How about Andy Biggs wearing sunglasses on the floor? None of these childish acts are stopping Joe. BAN ASSALT WEAPONS NOW! I remember when Pelosi tore up the speech of twice-impeached fascist leader of the trump crime family.....it was shortly AFTER the egotistical fraud had refused to shake her hand prior to the speech when she made the good will gesture first to offer a handshake.... Personally, I thought she should have lit his speech on fire........tit for tat is fair play... Works both ways.   Yes, if dems do it then republicans have every right to respond in kind .....and vice-versa. TRUMP started that @#$% in the chamber that night.  Not Pelosi.an_shake Intelligent people do understand that much....

       

    i remember that

    was at the same time trump was downplaying the severity of covid19

    the childish immature "handshake snub ", followed by the "right back at ya rip-up-the-garbage-speech-of the-leader-of-the-chump-crime-family "

    we didnt know at the time that chump would b thrown out of the whitehouse by the american public   then he would incite a violent insurrection and get impeached a second time and refuse the peaceful transfer of power

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
    UNIMAN
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2023 - 6:02 PM ET #19

    "And vice- versa"

    Your catching on.

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    "And vice- versa"

    Your catching on.

     
    ColonelKlink
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    "And vice- versa" Your catching on.

     

    Not really, they slow to the switch

    Tears are still shed all the time

    i love how they just can't get over with all the Trump crime family posts an_roll_laugh

    my neck starting to hurt looking up at them on their high horses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    "And vice- versa" Your catching on.

     

    Not really, they slow to the switch

    Tears are still shed all the time

    i love how they just can't get over with all the Trump crime family posts an_roll_laugh

    my neck starting to hurt looking up at them on their high horses.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @UNIMAN  How about MTG calling Joe a liar & the idiot from Texas interrupting the president? Aer you good with that? How about Andy Biggs wearing sunglasses on the floor? None of these childish acts are stopping Joe. BAN ASSALT WEAPONS NOW! I remember when Pelosi tore up the speech of twice-impeached fascist leader of the trump crime family.....it was shortly AFTER the egotistical fraud had refused to shake her hand prior to the speech when she made the good will gesture first to offer a handshake.... Personally, I thought she should have lit his speech on fire........tit for tat is fair play... Works both ways.   Yes, if dems do it then republicans have every right to respond in kind .....and vice-versa. TRUMP started that @#$% in the chamber that night.  Not Pelosi. Intelligent people do understand that much....  

      i remember that was at the same time trump was downplaying the severity of covid19 the childish immature "handshake snub ", followed by the "right back at ya rip-up-the-garbage-speech-of the-leader-of-the-chump-crime-family " we didnt know at the time that chump would b thrown out of the whitehouse by the american public   then he would incite a violent insurrection and get impeached a second time and refuse the peaceful transfer of power

    Funny some people only seem to remember one part of that event 

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: @UNIMAN  How about MTG calling Joe a liar & the idiot from Texas interrupting the president? Aer you good with that? How about Andy Biggs wearing sunglasses on the floor? None of these childish acts are stopping Joe. BAN ASSALT WEAPONS NOW! I remember when Pelosi tore up the speech of twice-impeached fascist leader of the trump crime family.....it was shortly AFTER the egotistical fraud had refused to shake her hand prior to the speech when she made the good will gesture first to offer a handshake.... Personally, I thought she should have lit his speech on fire........tit for tat is fair play... Works both ways.   Yes, if dems do it then republicans have every right to respond in kind .....and vice-versa. TRUMP started that @#$% in the chamber that night.  Not Pelosi. Intelligent people do understand that much....  

      i remember that was at the same time trump was downplaying the severity of covid19 the childish immature "handshake snub ", followed by the "right back at ya rip-up-the-garbage-speech-of the-leader-of-the-chump-crime-family " we didnt know at the time that chump would b thrown out of the whitehouse by the american public   then he would incite a violent insurrection and get impeached a second time and refuse the peaceful transfer of power

    Funny some people only seem to remember one part of that event 

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