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    Pentagon refuses to mandate covid vaccine.

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    nature1970
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2021 - 12:36 PM ET #1

    The military that gives literally 100 of shots to an individual has stated unless fully approved. By the FDA they will not force this vaccination as part of the process.

    SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA - The U.S. military has so far kept its coronavirus numbers relatively low, thanks in part to strict discipline and the ability to easily enforce social distancing rules. However, as the Pentagon rolls out COVID-19 vaccines at its bases around the world, it is dealing with the challenge of how to convince service members to voluntarily take the vaccine.

    Pentagon leaders say they will not require their personnel to take the vaccine until the U.S. Food and Drug Administration gives its full approval of the drug. So far, the FDA has only given emergency authorization that allowed for the initial distribution of the vaccine. It could be up to two years before the full approval comes, military officials have told VOA.

    That provides an unusual obstacle for the U.S. military, which has been able to effectively combat the virus with more forceful tools not available to civilian authorities, including the ability to strictly control access to the base and what activities are allowed there, and to punish those who break the rules.

    “This [vaccine effort] is an interesting situation in that it is voluntary," Col. Doug Lougee, the lead medical officer for U.S. Forces Korea, which began vaccines last month, told VOA.

    "Here in the military, especially the Army, we're not used to telling people to volunteer or asking them to volunteer for things like this," he said

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    The military that gives literally 100 of shots to an individual has stated unless fully approved. By the FDA they will not force this vaccination as part of the process.

    SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA - The U.S. military has so far kept its coronavirus numbers relatively low, thanks in part to strict discipline and the ability to easily enforce social distancing rules. However, as the Pentagon rolls out COVID-19 vaccines at its bases around the world, it is dealing with the challenge of how to convince service members to voluntarily take the vaccine.

    Pentagon leaders say they will not require their personnel to take the vaccine until the U.S. Food and Drug Administration gives its full approval of the drug. So far, the FDA has only given emergency authorization that allowed for the initial distribution of the vaccine. It could be up to two years before the full approval comes, military officials have told VOA.

    That provides an unusual obstacle for the U.S. military, which has been able to effectively combat the virus with more forceful tools not available to civilian authorities, including the ability to strictly control access to the base and what activities are allowed there, and to punish those who break the rules.

    “This [vaccine effort] is an interesting situation in that it is voluntary," Col. Doug Lougee, the lead medical officer for U.S. Forces Korea, which began vaccines last month, told VOA.

    "Here in the military, especially the Army, we're not used to telling people to volunteer or asking them to volunteer for things like this," he said

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2021 - 3:03 PM ET #2

    ....so instead of mandatory vaccinations of the ENTIRE US MILITARY with a NON-APPROVED FDA drug the US Military is saying, "hold on a minute, let's wait till they are formally approved by the UNITED STATES FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION before shooting up over a million active duty troops" 

    Sounds like a smart decision, surprising coming from our federal government.  I mean, we are talking about 1.3 million active and 800k reserved troops...probably a good idea to make sure the vaccine is 100% good to go before potentially damaging your country's ENTIRE MILIARY FORCE.  

    Time is a flat circle....
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    ....so instead of mandatory vaccinations of the ENTIRE US MILITARY with a NON-APPROVED FDA drug the US Military is saying, "hold on a minute, let's wait till they are formally approved by the UNITED STATES FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION before shooting up over a million active duty troops" 

    Sounds like a smart decision, surprising coming from our federal government.  I mean, we are talking about 1.3 million active and 800k reserved troops...probably a good idea to make sure the vaccine is 100% good to go before potentially damaging your country's ENTIRE MILIARY FORCE.  

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2021 - 3:27 PM ET #3

    Myth is that vaccine development and approval have been rushed so that safety and effectiveness cannot be trusted.  According to John Hopkins university, no shortcuts taken in scientific research and vaccine authorization.  Vaccines developed early because of ready technology, scientists and massive funding.  Clinical trials involving thousands of volunteers confirm safety and effectiveness.  No reason to not be vaccinated when available.  Sooner the population can reach herd immunity, the sooner life can return to normal.

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    Myth is that vaccine development and approval have been rushed so that safety and effectiveness cannot be trusted.  According to John Hopkins university, no shortcuts taken in scientific research and vaccine authorization.  Vaccines developed early because of ready technology, scientists and massive funding.  Clinical trials involving thousands of volunteers confirm safety and effectiveness.  No reason to not be vaccinated when available.  Sooner the population can reach herd immunity, the sooner life can return to normal.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2021 - 3:36 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    ....so instead of mandatory vaccinations of the ENTIRE US MILITARY with a NON-APPROVED FDA drug the US Military is saying, "hold on a minute, let's wait till they are formally approved by the UNITED STATES FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION before shooting up over a million active duty troops"  Sounds like a smart decision, surprising coming from our federal government.  I mean, we are talking about 1.3 million active and 800k reserved troops...probably a good idea to make sure the vaccine is 100% good to go before potentially damaging your country's ENTIRE MILIARY FORCE.

    don't worry bend over grannies your up but until this approved not me...hell of way to sell it their Secretary of defense...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    ....so instead of mandatory vaccinations of the ENTIRE US MILITARY with a NON-APPROVED FDA drug the US Military is saying, "hold on a minute, let's wait till they are formally approved by the UNITED STATES FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION before shooting up over a million active duty troops"  Sounds like a smart decision, surprising coming from our federal government.  I mean, we are talking about 1.3 million active and 800k reserved troops...probably a good idea to make sure the vaccine is 100% good to go before potentially damaging your country's ENTIRE MILIARY FORCE.

    don't worry bend over grannies your up but until this approved not me...hell of way to sell it their Secretary of defense...

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2021 - 6:16 PM ET #5

    Pulp fiction amc  is on.

    Cool lyrics yo the songs theme.

    I guess ie grow up.

     https://youtu.be/JAHA4Jh5jkw

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    Pulp fiction amc  is on.

    Cool lyrics yo the songs theme.

    I guess ie grow up.

     https://youtu.be/JAHA4Jh5jkw

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Myth is that vaccine development and approval have been rushed so that safety and effectiveness cannot be trusted.  According to John Hopkins university, no shortcuts taken in scientific research and vaccine authorization.  Vaccines developed early because of ready technology, scientists and massive funding.  Clinical trials involving thousands of volunteers confirm safety and effectiveness.  No reason to not be vaccinated when available.  Sooner the population can reach herd immunity, the sooner life can return to normal.

    Why should I take the shot when I already have a survivability rate of 99.97? The estimated effectiveness of the vaccine is 95%.

    Merck says you are better off without the vaccine. 

    The US military made an excellent call by not forcing the vaccine on it's members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Myth is that vaccine development and approval have been rushed so that safety and effectiveness cannot be trusted.  According to John Hopkins university, no shortcuts taken in scientific research and vaccine authorization.  Vaccines developed early because of ready technology, scientists and massive funding.  Clinical trials involving thousands of volunteers confirm safety and effectiveness.  No reason to not be vaccinated when available.  Sooner the population can reach herd immunity, the sooner life can return to normal.

    Why should I take the shot when I already have a survivability rate of 99.97? The estimated effectiveness of the vaccine is 95%.

    Merck says you are better off without the vaccine. 

    The US military made an excellent call by not forcing the vaccine on it's members.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2021 - 7:11 PM ET #7

    Not until the phase 4 trials.are concluded it must be fully authorized by the dad before it is mandated.

    Johnson and Johnson 1 dose emerges as effective as a flu shot

     56 percent effective.

    Survival of vaccine that is good been in cold storage and administer under drug maker guinea not the bureaucrats at the CDC.  Is 99.9 percent safe unless you carry an epipen on a daily basis. 

    Psycokenisis and electric relations can be mitigated to a human dies in 100 million.

    But per drug must be maintained at 84 degrees below no colder than 100 below no warmer than 78 below to suspend serum.

    Moderna can no colder than neg 30 and no warmer than neg 10 to suspend it has shelf life of 14 days above this temperature but colder than 100 

    If it all ci.duplicatES that in FAREHNHEIT... NOT CELCILUS. 

    BOTH ARE A GOLDY LOCKS EFFECT

    27 DAYS LATER MODERNA

    21 DAYS LATER PHIZER.

    But you can trust the government ad you can any defrocked priest... 

    Pentagon is well aware of the possibilities.

     

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    Not until the phase 4 trials.are concluded it must be fully authorized by the dad before it is mandated.

    Johnson and Johnson 1 dose emerges as effective as a flu shot

     56 percent effective.

    Survival of vaccine that is good been in cold storage and administer under drug maker guinea not the bureaucrats at the CDC.  Is 99.9 percent safe unless you carry an epipen on a daily basis. 

    Psycokenisis and electric relations can be mitigated to a human dies in 100 million.

    But per drug must be maintained at 84 degrees below no colder than 100 below no warmer than 78 below to suspend serum.

    Moderna can no colder than neg 30 and no warmer than neg 10 to suspend it has shelf life of 14 days above this temperature but colder than 100 

    If it all ci.duplicatES that in FAREHNHEIT... NOT CELCILUS. 

    BOTH ARE A GOLDY LOCKS EFFECT

    27 DAYS LATER MODERNA

    21 DAYS LATER PHIZER.

    But you can trust the government ad you can any defrocked priest... 

    Pentagon is well aware of the possibilities.

     

     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2021 - 12:27 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Why should I take the shot when I already have a survivability rate of 99%? The estimated effectiveness of the vaccine is 95%.  

    Covid survival rate isn't reason why vaccine isn't necessary.  A 95% vaccine efficiency rate would substantially reduce virus spread and death toll.  A 1% mortality rate would lead to a massive number of deaths if disease spread unchecked to entire population.  For example, 1% of 300 million people is 3 million deaths!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Why should I take the shot when I already have a survivability rate of 99%? The estimated effectiveness of the vaccine is 95%.  

    Covid survival rate isn't reason why vaccine isn't necessary.  A 95% vaccine efficiency rate would substantially reduce virus spread and death toll.  A 1% mortality rate would lead to a massive number of deaths if disease spread unchecked to entire population.  For example, 1% of 300 million people is 3 million deaths!

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