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Barack Obama angry at General Stanley McChrystal speech on Afghanistan

The relationship between President Barack Obama and the commander of Nato forces in Afghanistan has been put under severe strain by Gen Stanley McChrystal's comments on strategy for the war.

 

According to sources close to the administration, Gen McChrystal shocked and angered presidential advisers with the bluntness of a speech given in London last week.

The next day he was summoned to an awkward 25-minute face-to-face meeting on board Air Force One on the tarmac in Copenhagen, where the president had arrived to tout Chicago's unsuccessful Olympic bid.

When asked on CNN about the commander's public lobbying for more troops, Gen Jim Jones, national security adviser, said:

“Ideally, it's better for military advice to come up through the chain of command.”

Asked if the president had told the general to tone down his remarks, he told CBS: "I wasn't there so I can't answer that question. But it was an opportunity for them to get to know each other a little bit better. I am sure they exchanged direct views."

An adviser to the administration said: "People aren't sure whether McChrystal is being naïve or an upstart. To my mind he doesn't seem ready for this Washington hard-ball and is just speaking his mind too plainly."

In London, Gen McChrystal, who heads the 68,000 US troops in Afghanistan as well as the 100,000 Nato forces, flatly rejected proposals to switch to a strategy more reliant on drone missile strikes and special forces operations against al-Qaeda.

He told the Institute of International and Strategic Studies that the formula, which is favoured by Vice-President Joe Biden, would lead to "Chaos-istan".

When asked whether he would support it, he said: "The short answer is: No."

He went on to say: "Waiting does not prolong a favorable outcome. This effort will not remain winnable indefinitely, and nor will public support."

The remarks have been seen by some in the Obama administration as a barbed reference to the slow pace of debate within the White House.

Gen McChrystal delivered a report on Afghanistan requested by the president on Aug 31, but Mr Obama held only his second "principals meeting" on the issue last week.

He will hold at least one more this week, but a decision on how far to follow Gen McChrystal's recommendation to send 40,000 more US troops will not be made for several weeks.

A military expert said: "They still have working relationship but all in all it's not great for now."

Some commentators regarded the general's London comments as verging on insubordination.

Bruce Ackerman, an expert on constitutional law at Yale University, said in the Washington Post: "As commanding general, McChrystal has no business making such public pronouncements."

He added that it was highly unusual for a senior military officer to "pressure the president in public to adopt his strategy".

Relations between the general and the White House began to sour when his report, which painted a grim picture of the allied mission in Afghanistan, was leaked. White House aides have since briefed against the general's recommendations.

The general has responded with a series of candid interviews as well as the speech. He told Newsweek he was firmly against half measures in Afghanistan: "You can't hope to contain the fire by letting just half the building burn."

As a divide opened up between the military and the White House, senior military figures began criticising the White House for failing to tackle the issue more quickly.

They made no secret of their view that without the vast ground force recommended by Gen McChrystal, the Afghan mission could end in failure and a return to power of the Taliban.

"They want to make sure people know what they asked for if things go wrong," said Lawrence Korb, a former assistant secretary of defence.

Critics also pointed out that before their Copenhagen encounter Mr Obama had only met Gen McChrystal once since his appointment in June.

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Barack Obama angry at General Stanley McChrystal speech on Afghanistan

The relationship between President Barack Obama and the commander of Nato forces in Afghanistan has been put under severe strain by Gen Stanley McChrystal's comments on strategy for the war.

 

According to sources close to the administration, Gen McChrystal shocked and angered presidential advisers with the bluntness of a speech given in London last week.

The next day he was summoned to an awkward 25-minute face-to-face meeting on board Air Force One on the tarmac in Copenhagen, where the president had arrived to tout Chicago's unsuccessful Olympic bid.

When asked on CNN about the commander's public lobbying for more troops, Gen Jim Jones, national security adviser, said:

“Ideally, it's better for military advice to come up through the chain of command.”

Asked if the president had told the general to tone down his remarks, he told CBS: "I wasn't there so I can't answer that question. But it was an opportunity for them to get to know each other a little bit better. I am sure they exchanged direct views."

An adviser to the administration said: "People aren't sure whether McChrystal is being naïve or an upstart. To my mind he doesn't seem ready for this Washington hard-ball and is just speaking his mind too plainly."

In London, Gen McChrystal, who heads the 68,000 US troops in Afghanistan as well as the 100,000 Nato forces, flatly rejected proposals to switch to a strategy more reliant on drone missile strikes and special forces operations against al-Qaeda.

He told the Institute of International and Strategic Studies that the formula, which is favoured by Vice-President Joe Biden, would lead to "Chaos-istan".

When asked whether he would support it, he said: "The short answer is: No."

He went on to say: "Waiting does not prolong a favorable outcome. This effort will not remain winnable indefinitely, and nor will public support."

The remarks have been seen by some in the Obama administration as a barbed reference to the slow pace of debate within the White House.

Gen McChrystal delivered a report on Afghanistan requested by the president on Aug 31, but Mr Obama held only his second "principals meeting" on the issue last week.

He will hold at least one more this week, but a decision on how far to follow Gen McChrystal's recommendation to send 40,000 more US troops will not be made for several weeks.

A military expert said: "They still have working relationship but all in all it's not great for now."

Some commentators regarded the general's London comments as verging on insubordination.

Bruce Ackerman, an expert on constitutional law at Yale University, said in the Washington Post: "As commanding general, McChrystal has no business making such public pronouncements."

He added that it was highly unusual for a senior military officer to "pressure the president in public to adopt his strategy".

Relations between the general and the White House began to sour when his report, which painted a grim picture of the allied mission in Afghanistan, was leaked. White House aides have since briefed against the general's recommendations.

The general has responded with a series of candid interviews as well as the speech. He told Newsweek he was firmly against half measures in Afghanistan: "You can't hope to contain the fire by letting just half the building burn."

As a divide opened up between the military and the White House, senior military figures began criticising the White House for failing to tackle the issue more quickly.

They made no secret of their view that without the vast ground force recommended by Gen McChrystal, the Afghan mission could end in failure and a return to power of the Taliban.

"They want to make sure people know what they asked for if things go wrong," said Lawrence Korb, a former assistant secretary of defence.

Critics also pointed out that before their Copenhagen encounter Mr Obama had only met Gen McChrystal once since his appointment in June.

 
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Last week APK posted a thread that mentioned the Obama had only met once with Gen McChrystal.

Predictably, the kool aid drinking lemming defended Obama by regurgitating the liberal talking points released to them via the MSM, daily kos and huffington post
||an_blowhorn.gif' border=0> CHAIN OF COMMAND
 
 If Obama believed in chain of command, why would that not also be the case here??

Why would the coward in chief talk to McChrystal directly about this issue?
 
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||an_blowhorn.gif' border=0> CHAIN OF COMMAND
 
 If Obama believed in chain of command, why would that not also be the case here??

Why would the coward in chief talk to McChrystal directly about this issue?
 
 
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Barack Obama angry at General Stanley McChrystal speech on Afghanistan

The relationship between President Barack Obama and the commander of Nato forces in Afghanistan has been put under severe strain by Gen Stanley McChrystal's comments on strategy for the war.

 

According to sources close to the administration, Gen McChrystal shocked and angered presidential advisers with the bluntness of a speech given in London last week.

The next day he was summoned to an awkward 25-minute face-to-face meeting on board Air Force One on the tarmac in Copenhagen, where the president had arrived to tout Chicago's unsuccessful Olympic bid.

When asked on CNN about the commander's public lobbying for more troops, Gen Jim Jones, national security adviser, said:

“Ideally, it's better for military advice to come up through the chain of command.”

Asked if the president had told the general to tone down his remarks, he told CBS: "I wasn't there so I can't answer that question. But it was an opportunity for them to get to know each other a little bit better. I am sure they exchanged direct views."

 

A military expert said: "They still have working relationship but all in all it's not great for now."

Some commentators regarded the general's London comments as verging on insubordination.

Bruce Ackerman, an expert on constitutional law at Yale University, said in the Washington Post: "As commanding general, McChrystal has no business making such public pronouncements."

He added that it was highly unusual for a senior military officer to "pressure the president in public to adopt his strategy".

The general has responded with a series of candid interviews as well as the speech. He told Newsweek he was firmly against half measures in Afghanistan: "You can't hope to contain the fire by letting just half the building burn."

As a divide opened up between the military and the White House, senior military figures began criticising the White House for failing to tackle the issue more quickly.

They made no secret of their view that without the vast ground force recommended by Gen McChrystal, the Afghan mission could end in failure and a return to power of the Taliban.

"They want to make sure people know what they asked for if things go wrong," said Lawrence Korb, a former assistant secretary of defence.

Critics also pointed out that before their Copenhagen encounter Mr Obama had only met Gen McChrystal once since his appointment in June.

I'm sure they're good buddies now, after 25min.

BHO wasn't even a boy scout, much less anything Military.

Win it, or get out...our military is dying without enough support.

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Barack Obama angry at General Stanley McChrystal speech on Afghanistan

The relationship between President Barack Obama and the commander of Nato forces in Afghanistan has been put under severe strain by Gen Stanley McChrystal's comments on strategy for the war.

 

According to sources close to the administration, Gen McChrystal shocked and angered presidential advisers with the bluntness of a speech given in London last week.

The next day he was summoned to an awkward 25-minute face-to-face meeting on board Air Force One on the tarmac in Copenhagen, where the president had arrived to tout Chicago's unsuccessful Olympic bid.

When asked on CNN about the commander's public lobbying for more troops, Gen Jim Jones, national security adviser, said:

“Ideally, it's better for military advice to come up through the chain of command.”

Asked if the president had told the general to tone down his remarks, he told CBS: "I wasn't there so I can't answer that question. But it was an opportunity for them to get to know each other a little bit better. I am sure they exchanged direct views."

 

A military expert said: "They still have working relationship but all in all it's not great for now."

Some commentators regarded the general's London comments as verging on insubordination.

Bruce Ackerman, an expert on constitutional law at Yale University, said in the Washington Post: "As commanding general, McChrystal has no business making such public pronouncements."

He added that it was highly unusual for a senior military officer to "pressure the president in public to adopt his strategy".

The general has responded with a series of candid interviews as well as the speech. He told Newsweek he was firmly against half measures in Afghanistan: "You can't hope to contain the fire by letting just half the building burn."

As a divide opened up between the military and the White House, senior military figures began criticising the White House for failing to tackle the issue more quickly.

They made no secret of their view that without the vast ground force recommended by Gen McChrystal, the Afghan mission could end in failure and a return to power of the Taliban.

"They want to make sure people know what they asked for if things go wrong," said Lawrence Korb, a former assistant secretary of defence.

Critics also pointed out that before their Copenhagen encounter Mr Obama had only met Gen McChrystal once since his appointment in June.

I'm sure they're good buddies now, after 25min.

BHO wasn't even a boy scout, much less anything Military.

Win it, or get out...our military is dying without enough support.

 
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They let you out already?  ugh
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikael99:

They let you out already?  ugh

Out

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They let you out already?  ugh

Out

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Quote Originally Posted by ApacheM:

Win it, or get out...our military is dying without enough support.

I am 100% behind the fight in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

APK thinks Obama has done well using the drones to kill so many in Pakistan and Afghanistan, but, it is time to send in the troops requested, or leave completely.

 

anything in between will lead to more deaths without gaining any more footing in the region

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Win it, or get out...our military is dying without enough support.

I am 100% behind the fight in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

APK thinks Obama has done well using the drones to kill so many in Pakistan and Afghanistan, but, it is time to send in the troops requested, or leave completely.

 

anything in between will lead to more deaths without gaining any more footing in the region

 
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There is no GOOD outcome.  That is why he is postponing a decision hoping something will turn up where he won't have to make it.  The General did the right thing, taking his message to the public.  The President had other duties to attend, lobbying for Chicago, bribing and intimidating Congress for votes for his Health Care Bill, all that important stuff. 

My opinion, get a bunch of troops and kill everything that moves in the bad regions.  Declare victory and get out, leaving the cleanup to the local government mob.
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There is no GOOD outcome.  That is why he is postponing a decision hoping something will turn up where he won't have to make it.  The General did the right thing, taking his message to the public.  The President had other duties to attend, lobbying for Chicago, bribing and intimidating Congress for votes for his Health Care Bill, all that important stuff. 

My opinion, get a bunch of troops and kill everything that moves in the bad regions.  Declare victory and get out, leaving the cleanup to the local government mob.
 
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He wouldn't have to make these difficult decisions if the douche bag before him wasn't hell bent on attacking every country on false and made up information.
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Why is that?

Would we not be in Afghanistan?
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Would the Taliban in Afghanistan be defeated already?
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Would we not be in Afghanistan?
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Would the Taliban in Afghanistan be defeated already?
 
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He wouldn't have to make these difficult decisions if the douche bag before him wasn't hell bent on attacking every country on false and made up information.



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He wouldn't have to make these difficult decisions if the douche bag before him wasn't hell bent on attacking every country on false and made up information.



 
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FACT CHECK:



APK begins thread on Wednesday 9/28/09

Goose answers him about "Chain of Command" the same day

General McChrystal makes London comments on Thursday 9/29/09

Obama and McChrystal hold discussion on Friday 9/30/09

"Liberal talking points" regarding "Chain of Command" released Saturday 10/01/09



Goose is "regurgitating" the "Liberal talking points"???

Three days before they were released???

Is Goose a fortune teller???

Were these some kind of "magic talking points"???

They appeared in Goose's thread 3 days before they were issued???









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FACT CHECK:



APK begins thread on Wednesday 9/28/09

Goose answers him about "Chain of Command" the same day

General McChrystal makes London comments on Thursday 9/29/09

Obama and McChrystal hold discussion on Friday 9/30/09

"Liberal talking points" regarding "Chain of Command" released Saturday 10/01/09



Goose is "regurgitating" the "Liberal talking points"???

Three days before they were released???

Is Goose a fortune teller???

Were these some kind of "magic talking points"???

They appeared in Goose's thread 3 days before they were issued???









 
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:




Why is that?

Would we not be in Afghanistan?
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Would the Taliban in Afghanistan be defeated already?
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Why is that?

Would we not be in Afghanistan?
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Would the Taliban in Afghanistan be defeated already?
 
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Sounds like another General Douglas MacArthur to me...It won't be long before he is giving his retirement speech..the Corps the Corps the Corps.
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Sounds like another General Douglas MacArthur to me...It won't be long before he is giving his retirement speech..the Corps the Corps the Corps.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by AlexPKeaton:

Why is that?

Would we not be in Afghanistan?
or
Would the Taliban in Afghanistan be defeated already?


We wouldnt be in the region if GB hadnt invaded Iraq.

The way we took MONTHS to go after BL, we might as well not spent one life or dollar, the time to get him was the first 48 hours.

At this point it is a lost cause.
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Why is that?

Would we not be in Afghanistan?
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Would the Taliban in Afghanistan be defeated already?


We wouldnt be in the region if GB hadnt invaded Iraq.

The way we took MONTHS to go after BL, we might as well not spent one life or dollar, the time to get him was the first 48 hours.

At this point it is a lost cause.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


FACT CHECK:



APK begins thread on Wednesday 9/28/09

Goose answers him about "Chain of Command" the same day

General McChrystal makes London comments on Thursday 9/29/09

Obama and McChrystal hold discussion on Friday 9/30/09

"Liberal talking points" regarding "Chain of Command" released Saturday 10/01/09



Goose is "regurgitating" the "Liberal talking points"???

Three days before they were released???

Is Goose a fortune teller???

Were these some kind of "magic talking points"???

They appeared in Goose's thread 3 days before they were issued???










Lemmings talking point :

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FACT CHECK:



APK begins thread on Wednesday 9/28/09

Goose answers him about "Chain of Command" the same day

General McChrystal makes London comments on Thursday 9/29/09

Obama and McChrystal hold discussion on Friday 9/30/09

"Liberal talking points" regarding "Chain of Command" released Saturday 10/01/09



Goose is "regurgitating" the "Liberal talking points"???

Three days before they were released???

Is Goose a fortune teller???

Were these some kind of "magic talking points"???

They appeared in Goose's thread 3 days before they were issued???










Lemmings talking point :

 
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:



We wouldnt be in the region if GB hadnt invaded Iraq.

The way we took MONTHS to go after BL, we might as well not spent one life or dollar, the time to get him was the first 48 hours.

At this point it is a lost cause.

we were in afghanistan before Iraq

We would have had more troops in afghanistan most likely, so if that is your contention, it is also needed now

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We wouldnt be in the region if GB hadnt invaded Iraq.

The way we took MONTHS to go after BL, we might as well not spent one life or dollar, the time to get him was the first 48 hours.

At this point it is a lost cause.

we were in afghanistan before Iraq

We would have had more troops in afghanistan most likely, so if that is your contention, it is also needed now

 
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Quote Originally Posted by AlexPKeaton:

we were in afghanistan before Iraq

We would have had more troops in afghanistan most likely, so if that is your contention, it is also needed now



That was the smoke screen, the foot into the region.

Afghanastan was the only course he could take until the bullsh!t intel was formed and we could do what he really wanted.

We didnt go in fast enough, nor was the area a real target. If we wanted to go after him, we went about it the completely wrong way.

Wag the Dog...
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we were in afghanistan before Iraq

We would have had more troops in afghanistan most likely, so if that is your contention, it is also needed now



That was the smoke screen, the foot into the region.

Afghanastan was the only course he could take until the bullsh!t intel was formed and we could do what he really wanted.

We didnt go in fast enough, nor was the area a real target. If we wanted to go after him, we went about it the completely wrong way.

Wag the Dog...
 
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Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


FACT CHECK:



APK begins thread on Wednesday 9/28/09

Goose answers him about "Chain of Command" the same day

General McChrystal makes London comments on Thursday 9/29/09

Obama and McChrystal hold discussion on Friday 9/30/09

"Liberal talking points" regarding "Chain of Command" released Saturday 10/01/09



Goose is "regurgitating" the "Liberal talking points"???

Three days before they were released???

Is Goose a fortune teller???

Were these some kind of "magic talking points"???

They appeared in Goose's thread 3 days before they were issued???









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FACT CHECK:



APK begins thread on Wednesday 9/28/09

Goose answers him about "Chain of Command" the same day

General McChrystal makes London comments on Thursday 9/29/09

Obama and McChrystal hold discussion on Friday 9/30/09

"Liberal talking points" regarding "Chain of Command" released Saturday 10/01/09



Goose is "regurgitating" the "Liberal talking points"???

Three days before they were released???

Is Goose a fortune teller???

Were these some kind of "magic talking points"???

They appeared in Goose's thread 3 days before they were issued???









Post got cut off
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mod edit

lemming talking point

 
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Mod edit?



Weak stuff "Alex"
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