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    Long but interesting read - that i am sure some will not read or will ifnorantly dismiss

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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2018 - 6:34 PM ET #1

    Disclosure - this is a copy and paste.

    I urge you to read this piece by Will Hurd, a Republican congressman from Texas and former undercover officer in the CIA:

     

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    Over the course of my career as an undercover officer in the C.I.A., I saw Russian intelligence manipulate many people. I never thought I would see the day when an American president would be one of them.

     

    The president’s failure to defend the United States intelligence community’s unanimous conclusions of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and condemn Russian covert counterinfluence campaigns and his standing idle on the world stage while a Russian dictator spouted lies confused many but should concern all Americans. By playing into Vladimir Putin’s hands, the leader of the free world actively participated in a Russian disinformation campaign that legitimized Russian denial and weakened the credibility of the United States to both our friends and foes abroad. ...

     

    For more than a decade, Russia has meddled in elections around the world, supported brutal dictators and invaded sovereign nations — all to the detriment of United States interests. Our intelligence community has concluded with high confidence that President Putin personally ordered his security services to undertake an influence campaign aimed at undermining confidence in American democracy to sow chaos in our electoral system. Russia’s efforts to hack political organizations and state election boards are well documented, as are the Russian disinformation campaigns on social media platforms. ...  These efforts weaken our allies and strengthen those who seek to undermine the democratic order that has helped prevent another world war in Europe since 1945.

     

    Moreover, the threat of Russian meddling in United States elections is not behind us. Just last week, Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence, cautioned that “the warning lights are blinking red” that Russia and other adversaries will undertake further cyberattacks on our digital infrastructure. This includes many of the energy companies in my home district in South and West Texas.

     

    Make no mistake, Russian disinformation campaigns are working.

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    Disclosure - this is a copy and paste.

    I urge you to read this piece by Will Hurd, a Republican congressman from Texas and former undercover officer in the CIA:

     

    **

     

    Over the course of my career as an undercover officer in the C.I.A., I saw Russian intelligence manipulate many people. I never thought I would see the day when an American president would be one of them.

     

    The president’s failure to defend the United States intelligence community’s unanimous conclusions of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and condemn Russian covert counterinfluence campaigns and his standing idle on the world stage while a Russian dictator spouted lies confused many but should concern all Americans. By playing into Vladimir Putin’s hands, the leader of the free world actively participated in a Russian disinformation campaign that legitimized Russian denial and weakened the credibility of the United States to both our friends and foes abroad. ...

     

    For more than a decade, Russia has meddled in elections around the world, supported brutal dictators and invaded sovereign nations — all to the detriment of United States interests. Our intelligence community has concluded with high confidence that President Putin personally ordered his security services to undertake an influence campaign aimed at undermining confidence in American democracy to sow chaos in our electoral system. Russia’s efforts to hack political organizations and state election boards are well documented, as are the Russian disinformation campaigns on social media platforms. ...  These efforts weaken our allies and strengthen those who seek to undermine the democratic order that has helped prevent another world war in Europe since 1945.

     

    Moreover, the threat of Russian meddling in United States elections is not behind us. Just last week, Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence, cautioned that “the warning lights are blinking red” that Russia and other adversaries will undertake further cyberattacks on our digital infrastructure. This includes many of the energy companies in my home district in South and West Texas.

     

    Make no mistake, Russian disinformation campaigns are working.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2018 - 6:36 PM ET #2

    Should say ignorantly dismiss.

    curious to see the responses from the “we got it figured out” crowd.

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    Should say ignorantly dismiss.

    curious to see the responses from the “we got it figured out” crowd.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2018 - 8:14 PM ET #3

    Mattbrot believes in flat Earth.  I learned my lesson a long time ago to ignore your threads.  Didn’t even bother to read.  
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    Mattbrot believes in flat Earth.  I learned my lesson a long time ago to ignore your threads.  Didn’t even bother to read.  
     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2018 - 8:29 PM ET #4

    A random cut and paste eh? Why not just provide the source itself, or a direct link so that everyone can know where this is coming from? Source matters an_light

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    A random cut and paste eh? Why not just provide the source itself, or a direct link so that everyone can know where this is coming from? Source matters an_light

     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2018 - 9:59 PM ET #5

    Packers - are you suggesting that i wrote that all by myself and am falsely claiming it was someone else? The beginning saysbit is will hurd - republican congressman from texas. Spend 30 sec if you want and you can find the story. 

    Or alternatively tou can comment in the story as opposed to taking a lame excuse to attack it or me. 

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    Packers - are you suggesting that i wrote that all by myself and am falsely claiming it was someone else? The beginning saysbit is will hurd - republican congressman from texas. Spend 30 sec if you want and you can find the story. 

    Or alternatively tou can comment in the story as opposed to taking a lame excuse to attack it or me. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2018 - 10:00 PM ET #6

     

    i literally found this and pasted it so quickly that covers said I could not post twice in 1 min. Easy how that works gentlemen. 

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    i literally found this and pasted it so quickly that covers said I could not post twice in 1 min. Easy how that works gentlemen. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2018 - 10:02 PM ET #7

    Oops. Can’t post links from my phone

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    Oops. Can’t post links from my phone

     
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    I don't think anyone disputes that the Russians are involved in disinformation campaigns. That is a matter of record, all nations do it, the US included. 

    What is disputed is that Trump colluded with Russians during the  election. 

    If a bunch of Democrats were duped by Russian planted fake news they have only themselves to blame.

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    I don't think anyone disputes that the Russians are involved in disinformation campaigns. That is a matter of record, all nations do it, the US included. 

    What is disputed is that Trump colluded with Russians during the  election. 

    If a bunch of Democrats were duped by Russian planted fake news they have only themselves to blame.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2018 - 12:13 AM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

     

    If a bunch of Democrats were duped by Russian planted fake news they have only themselves to blame.

    Mattbrot is right.  Russians deserve more blame than americans.  Fake news targeted  Trump supporters fooled by thousands of paid propagandists on social media such as facebook according to wikipedia.  Perhaps, over 100 million people seen propaganda.

    Putin ordered an misinformation campaign to harm Clinton and help Trump in election according to FBI, CIA, justice department, NSA and intelligence agencies.  Apparently, Putin's plan worked to increase US political instability and raise global distrust of US.  He has recruited Trump as an unwitting agent of Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyTeeth:

     

    If a bunch of Democrats were duped by Russian planted fake news they have only themselves to blame.

    Mattbrot is right.  Russians deserve more blame than americans.  Fake news targeted  Trump supporters fooled by thousands of paid propagandists on social media such as facebook according to wikipedia.  Perhaps, over 100 million people seen propaganda.

    Putin ordered an misinformation campaign to harm Clinton and help Trump in election according to FBI, CIA, justice department, NSA and intelligence agencies.  Apparently, Putin's plan worked to increase US political instability and raise global distrust of US.  He has recruited Trump as an unwitting agent of Russia.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2018 - 7:31 PM ET #10

    Russian meddling.? Hillary failure to place Bernie as her running mate. Russian interests would actually help The Clinton’s she gave 20% of our weapons grade uranium for a kick back to the Clinton foundation and a half a million to Bill. I do not believe that Russians hacked the voting machines and wanted trump to win . Why those areas using the machines went to Clinton those areas who were hand counted Trump. Posting Hillaries emails Colin Powell’s emails the dnc emails was done by Wikileaks.

    I hope the Democratic Party realizes that they can not fix an election and finds a more popular candidate. Elections are popularity contests. 

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    Russian meddling.? Hillary failure to place Bernie as her running mate. Russian interests would actually help The Clinton’s she gave 20% of our weapons grade uranium for a kick back to the Clinton foundation and a half a million to Bill. I do not believe that Russians hacked the voting machines and wanted trump to win . Why those areas using the machines went to Clinton those areas who were hand counted Trump. Posting Hillaries emails Colin Powell’s emails the dnc emails was done by Wikileaks.

    I hope the Democratic Party realizes that they can not fix an election and finds a more popular candidate. Elections are popularity contests. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Russian meddling.? Hillary failure to place Bernie as her running mate. Russian interests would actually help The Clinton’s she gave 20% of our weapons grade uranium for a kick back to the Clinton foundation and a half a million to Bill. I do not believe that Russians hacked the voting machines and wanted trump to win . Why those areas using the machines went to Clinton those areas who were hand counted Trump. Posting Hillaries emails Colin Powell’s emails the dnc emails was done by Wikileaks.

    I hope the Democratic Party realizes that they can not fix an election and finds a more popular candidate. Elections are popularity contests. 


    Hillary won the popular vote .......and by almost 3 million votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Russian meddling.? Hillary failure to place Bernie as her running mate. Russian interests would actually help The Clinton’s she gave 20% of our weapons grade uranium for a kick back to the Clinton foundation and a half a million to Bill. I do not believe that Russians hacked the voting machines and wanted trump to win . Why those areas using the machines went to Clinton those areas who were hand counted Trump. Posting Hillaries emails Colin Powell’s emails the dnc emails was done by Wikileaks.

    I hope the Democratic Party realizes that they can not fix an election and finds a more popular candidate. Elections are popularity contests. 


    Hillary won the popular vote .......and by almost 3 million votes.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2018 - 9:41 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Russian interests would actually help The Clinton’s she gave 20% of our weapons grade uranium for a kick back to the Clinton foundation and a half a million to Bill.

    Nature1970 promotes a delusional conspiracy theory that has been widely debunked.  Fact checkers politifact, snopes and factcheck.org all rated false the lie that Clinton gave 20% of US uranium to Russia in exchange for donation to Clinton foundation.  Even Fox news and author of book "Clinton cash" admit there is no evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Russian interests would actually help The Clinton’s she gave 20% of our weapons grade uranium for a kick back to the Clinton foundation and a half a million to Bill.

    Nature1970 promotes a delusional conspiracy theory that has been widely debunked.  Fact checkers politifact, snopes and factcheck.org all rated false the lie that Clinton gave 20% of US uranium to Russia in exchange for donation to Clinton foundation.  Even Fox news and author of book "Clinton cash" admit there is no evidence.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2018 - 11:31 PM ET #13

    This is documented by the press. Hillary signed off on this Bill got to make a speech in Moscow for a half million and the foundation received 2 million as a kick back for the deal she  authorized. 

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    This is documented by the press. Hillary signed off on this Bill got to make a speech in Moscow for a half million and the foundation received 2 million as a kick back for the deal she  authorized. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2018 - 11:33 PM ET #14

    Yes sis she did because la went 80% for her she crushed it in California she lost the rural vote so overwhelmingly that she lost the election. It would not surprise me if this was the meddling that intelligence speaks of to then throughout the next 4 years we the United States would be divided by whom actually won the election. 

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    Yes sis she did because la went 80% for her she crushed it in California she lost the rural vote so overwhelmingly that she lost the election. It would not surprise me if this was the meddling that intelligence speaks of to then throughout the next 4 years we the United States would be divided by whom actually won the election. 

     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2018 - 7:51 AM ET #15

    When Trump won Florida, all of CNN hosts were crying on air and Colbert had a career altering meltdownnew_crying1

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    When Trump won Florida, all of CNN hosts were crying on air and Colbert had a career altering meltdownnew_crying1

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