No. Evidence is evidence. Bush had a motive and look at who Bush and Cheney are buddies with and follow the 100 billion dollar money trail...
I disagree. Bush was a horrible human being. There are people who say Saddam and Hitler were good men who made mistakes. You have a right to believe what you want…
From all of the drivel you always post I finally found something I agree with you on.
You have a right to believe what you want. No matter how insane it may be.
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Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:
No. Evidence is evidence. Bush had a motive and look at who Bush and Cheney are buddies with and follow the 100 billion dollar money trail...
I disagree. Bush was a horrible human being. There are people who say Saddam and Hitler were good men who made mistakes. You have a right to believe what you want…
From all of the drivel you always post I finally found something I agree with you on.
You have a right to believe what you want. No matter how insane it may be.
Here is a copy of the information about the Email backup service that the IRS had during the time of the missing emails. https://www.fedspending.org/fpds/fpds.php?reptype=r&database=fpds&unique_transaction_id=6b1e1ac07603a819d7c7d1c22d9eea24&detail=3&datype=T&sortp=i
Just another wrinkle to this fuckery, I am sure you guys have an excuse for.
Here are some articles for operation choke point. I am sure Money will think that these are some wild conspiracy, if he even reads them .
Here is a copy of the information about the Email backup service that the IRS had during the time of the missing emails. https://www.fedspending.org/fpds/fpds.php?reptype=r&database=fpds&unique_transaction_id=6b1e1ac07603a819d7c7d1c22d9eea24&detail=3&datype=T&sortp=i
Just another wrinkle to this fuckery, I am sure you guys have an excuse for.
Here are some articles for operation choke point. I am sure Money will think that these are some wild conspiracy, if he even reads them .
Conservatives groups come out and say they were unfairly targeted by the IRS. They bring their evidence to Capital Hill.
No progressive groups come out to say they were targeted even though Think Progress, The Daily Kos, Members of Covers, and the rest of the Washer Brigade say they exist.
The IRS head office in Washington blames it on low lever staffers in Cincinnati.
The woman suspected of leading the targeting, Lois Lerner, pleads the fifth.
The President says on Superbowl Sunday that there isn't a smidgen of evidence, even though, supposedly, the investigation is ongoing (by an Obama donor appointed by Eric Holder) "wink, wink"
Lerner's attorney says she will testify if she is granted immunity. Republicans refuse so Lerner pleads the fifth again.
Almost two years after the investigation started we find out her hard drive was recycled (destroyed) and e-mails have been lost forever, even though six months ago the IRS Director said he would turn over everything.
Phony scandal... Move along... Nothing to see here.
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So...let's see
Conservatives groups come out and say they were unfairly targeted by the IRS. They bring their evidence to Capital Hill.
No progressive groups come out to say they were targeted even though Think Progress, The Daily Kos, Members of Covers, and the rest of the Washer Brigade say they exist.
The IRS head office in Washington blames it on low lever staffers in Cincinnati.
The woman suspected of leading the targeting, Lois Lerner, pleads the fifth.
The President says on Superbowl Sunday that there isn't a smidgen of evidence, even though, supposedly, the investigation is ongoing (by an Obama donor appointed by Eric Holder) "wink, wink"
Lerner's attorney says she will testify if she is granted immunity. Republicans refuse so Lerner pleads the fifth again.
Almost two years after the investigation started we find out her hard drive was recycled (destroyed) and e-mails have been lost forever, even though six months ago the IRS Director said he would turn over everything.
Phony scandal... Move along... Nothing to see here.
Its a good thing that this issue hasn't been raised with every President since the advent of email use in D.C.
If there is a consistent with right wingers, its denying the same scandals with a Republican that are transposed with a Democrat.
Politicians have been covering their crap up for ever but when is enough enough? We can't go back but we can begin to try and start holding them responsible for their transgressions...ALL PARTIES
"Yawn"
From an attorneys perspective (not sure what type of law you practice) hypothetically you subpoena the opposing party's email to which they then
-Stall providing the info for 6 months to a year -Claim the emails were lost in a computer glitch -Claim the hard drives were destroyed -Make a ridiculous claim that the information is no longer retrievable
You being an attorney I would imagine you would not be yawning in that situation nor let it slide, why is it acceptable here?
Like I posted earlier I didn't think there was much to this in the beginning and there still may not be. However don't you feel there possibly might be something significant here with the stonewalling and blatant bullsh!t they are claiming as to why they can't come up with the information that would clear the issue?
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
Its a good thing that this issue hasn't been raised with every President since the advent of email use in D.C.
If there is a consistent with right wingers, its denying the same scandals with a Republican that are transposed with a Democrat.
Politicians have been covering their crap up for ever but when is enough enough? We can't go back but we can begin to try and start holding them responsible for their transgressions...ALL PARTIES
"Yawn"
From an attorneys perspective (not sure what type of law you practice) hypothetically you subpoena the opposing party's email to which they then
-Stall providing the info for 6 months to a year -Claim the emails were lost in a computer glitch -Claim the hard drives were destroyed -Make a ridiculous claim that the information is no longer retrievable
You being an attorney I would imagine you would not be yawning in that situation nor let it slide, why is it acceptable here?
Like I posted earlier I didn't think there was much to this in the beginning and there still may not be. However don't you feel there possibly might be something significant here with the stonewalling and blatant bullsh!t they are claiming as to why they can't come up with the information that would clear the issue?
Conservatives groups come out and say they were unfairly targeted by the IRS. They bring their evidence to Capital Hill.
No progressive groups come out to say they were targeted even though Think Progress, The Daily Kos, Members of Covers, and the rest of the Washer Brigade say they exist.
The IRS head office in Washington blames it on low lever staffers in Cincinnati.
The woman suspected of leading the targeting, Lois Lerner, pleads the fifth.
The President says on Superbowl Sunday that there isn't a smidgen of evidence, even though, supposedly, the investigation is ongoing (by an Obama donor appointed by Eric Holder) "wink, wink"
Lerner's attorney says she will testify if she is granted immunity. Republicans refuse so Lerner pleads the fifth again.
Almost two years after the investigation started we find out her hard drive was recycled (destroyed) and e-mails have been lost forever, even though six months ago the IRS Director said he would turn over everything.
Phony scandal... Move along... Nothing to see here.
You forgot that Lerner's hard dive "crashed" 10 days after Dave Camp asked for the IRS emails. How convienent.
Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:
So...let's see
Conservatives groups come out and say they were unfairly targeted by the IRS. They bring their evidence to Capital Hill.
No progressive groups come out to say they were targeted even though Think Progress, The Daily Kos, Members of Covers, and the rest of the Washer Brigade say they exist.
The IRS head office in Washington blames it on low lever staffers in Cincinnati.
The woman suspected of leading the targeting, Lois Lerner, pleads the fifth.
The President says on Superbowl Sunday that there isn't a smidgen of evidence, even though, supposedly, the investigation is ongoing (by an Obama donor appointed by Eric Holder) "wink, wink"
Lerner's attorney says she will testify if she is granted immunity. Republicans refuse so Lerner pleads the fifth again.
Almost two years after the investigation started we find out her hard drive was recycled (destroyed) and e-mails have been lost forever, even though six months ago the IRS Director said he would turn over everything.
Phony scandal... Move along... Nothing to see here.
You forgot that Lerner's hard dive "crashed" 10 days after Dave Camp asked for the IRS emails. How convienent.
Here is a copy of the information about the Email backup service that the IRS had during the time of the missing emails. https://www.fedspending.org/fpds/fpds.php?reptype=r&database=fpds&unique_transaction_id=6b1e1ac07603a819d7c7d1c22d9eea24&detail=3&datype=T&sortp=i
Just another wrinkle to this fuckery, I am sure you guys have an excuse for.
Here are some articles for operation choke point. I am sure Money will think that these are some wild conspiracy, if he even reads them .
Rick, you know what, I'm actually starting to believe you...
I still think the republicans are bat sh!t crazy but even bat sh!t crazy people are sometimes right...
Nixon created the DEA and the DEA has been spying and watching everyone's money since. Reagan created Executive Order 12333 and Bush created the Patriot Act...
Obama creates the Financial Fraud Enforcement Task Force to target fraud and financial institutions are freaking the fukk out...
Looks like Obama started a War on White Crimes and white people are mad about it...
I'd be pissed... if it wasn't so damn funny...
Republicans opened Pandora’s Box and are now are getting a taste of their own medicine...
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Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:
Here is a copy of the information about the Email backup service that the IRS had during the time of the missing emails. https://www.fedspending.org/fpds/fpds.php?reptype=r&database=fpds&unique_transaction_id=6b1e1ac07603a819d7c7d1c22d9eea24&detail=3&datype=T&sortp=i
Just another wrinkle to this fuckery, I am sure you guys have an excuse for.
Here are some articles for operation choke point. I am sure Money will think that these are some wild conspiracy, if he even reads them .
Rick, you know what, I'm actually starting to believe you...
I still think the republicans are bat sh!t crazy but even bat sh!t crazy people are sometimes right...
Nixon created the DEA and the DEA has been spying and watching everyone's money since. Reagan created Executive Order 12333 and Bush created the Patriot Act...
Obama creates the Financial Fraud Enforcement Task Force to target fraud and financial institutions are freaking the fukk out...
Looks like Obama started a War on White Crimes and white people are mad about it...
I'd be pissed... if it wasn't so damn funny...
Republicans opened Pandora’s Box and are now are getting a taste of their own medicine...
Politicians have been covering their crap up for ever but when is enough enough? We can't go back but we can begin to try and start holding them responsible for their transgressions...ALL PARTIES
"Yawn"
From an attorneys perspective (not sure what type of law you practice) hypothetically you subpoena the opposing party's email to which they then
-Stall providing the info for 6 months to a year -Claim the emails were lost in a computer glitch -Claim the hard drives were destroyed -Make a ridiculous claim that the information is no longer retrievable
You being an attorney I would imagine you would not be yawning in that situation nor let it slide, why is it acceptable here?
Like I posted earlier I didn't think there was much to this in the beginning and there still may not be. However don't you feel there possibly might be something significant here with the stonewalling and blatant bullsh!t they are claiming as to why they can't come up with the information that would clear the issue?
It isn't acceptable. I never said it was.
The reality is that agencies like the IRS and the State Department (actual State, not the policies) are largely devoid of the partisan politics. The people who are footsoldiers and actually carry out activities are not political appointees. The idea that somehow, Obama or his administration were able to secretly get the IRS to target political groups is ignorant of the realities of the situation; i.e. doing so would involve the actions of hundreds, if not thousands, of workers. Do we not think that any of the Republicans working there would come forward and say that this was a specific policy?
Do I think that a few people at the IRS decided that some groups were getting around IRS rules about non-profits and started targeting them? Sure. And I posted that it was both conservative and liberal groups (and notice how not one of the right wingers here have posted any facts to the contrary).
Is the deleting of emails a problem? Yep. It has been with every adminstration too. Maybe we need new laws for these agencies on keeping emails. I'd support that.
But we have young men dying in Afghanistan, we have Iraq falling into the hands of dangerous terrorists which does threaten to drag us back in and in both situations, the American public as not been told the truth by neither administration. We are lied to about money, wars, terrorists, corporate policies, lobbying, etc.
I'll pick my spots for outrage. It isn't here.
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Quote Originally Posted by Nut_Flopper:
Politicians have been covering their crap up for ever but when is enough enough? We can't go back but we can begin to try and start holding them responsible for their transgressions...ALL PARTIES
"Yawn"
From an attorneys perspective (not sure what type of law you practice) hypothetically you subpoena the opposing party's email to which they then
-Stall providing the info for 6 months to a year -Claim the emails were lost in a computer glitch -Claim the hard drives were destroyed -Make a ridiculous claim that the information is no longer retrievable
You being an attorney I would imagine you would not be yawning in that situation nor let it slide, why is it acceptable here?
Like I posted earlier I didn't think there was much to this in the beginning and there still may not be. However don't you feel there possibly might be something significant here with the stonewalling and blatant bullsh!t they are claiming as to why they can't come up with the information that would clear the issue?
It isn't acceptable. I never said it was.
The reality is that agencies like the IRS and the State Department (actual State, not the policies) are largely devoid of the partisan politics. The people who are footsoldiers and actually carry out activities are not political appointees. The idea that somehow, Obama or his administration were able to secretly get the IRS to target political groups is ignorant of the realities of the situation; i.e. doing so would involve the actions of hundreds, if not thousands, of workers. Do we not think that any of the Republicans working there would come forward and say that this was a specific policy?
Do I think that a few people at the IRS decided that some groups were getting around IRS rules about non-profits and started targeting them? Sure. And I posted that it was both conservative and liberal groups (and notice how not one of the right wingers here have posted any facts to the contrary).
Is the deleting of emails a problem? Yep. It has been with every adminstration too. Maybe we need new laws for these agencies on keeping emails. I'd support that.
But we have young men dying in Afghanistan, we have Iraq falling into the hands of dangerous terrorists which does threaten to drag us back in and in both situations, the American public as not been told the truth by neither administration. We are lied to about money, wars, terrorists, corporate policies, lobbying, etc.
I think the inability to be outraged at corruption is the downfall of this country.
When you accept corruption and evil you get everything that comes with that.
Imagine if we held our politicians and elected officials to some sort of standard, and actually held them responsible for corruption that EVERYONE can see.
The fact that this BS is commonplace is just as sad as the fact that with a potential Bush V. Clinton decision we will never have anything different.
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I think the inability to be outraged at corruption is the downfall of this country.
When you accept corruption and evil you get everything that comes with that.
Imagine if we held our politicians and elected officials to some sort of standard, and actually held them responsible for corruption that EVERYONE can see.
The fact that this BS is commonplace is just as sad as the fact that with a potential Bush V. Clinton decision we will never have anything different.
You forgot that Lerner's hard dive "crashed" 10 days after Dave Camp asked for the IRS emails. How convienent.
..and the IRS cancelled it's longtime relationship with Sonasoft an E-mail storage contractor ..just two weeks after Lerner's computer crashed.......and shortly before other IRA officals' computers allegedly crashed ..
Just coincidental ..I'm sure.
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Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:
You forgot that Lerner's hard dive "crashed" 10 days after Dave Camp asked for the IRS emails. How convienent.
..and the IRS cancelled it's longtime relationship with Sonasoft an E-mail storage contractor ..just two weeks after Lerner's computer crashed.......and shortly before other IRA officals' computers allegedly crashed ..
It is pretty obvious to everyone ..except the die hard Obama washers...that President Obama sent a subliminal message to the IRS to target Tea party and other conservative groups by scolding the High Court .. in his 2010 State of the Union address ...
In the SOTU address Obama delivered a stunning rebuke.. of the Supreme Court decision in favor of the group Citizens United which was among the IRS’s first and biggest targets...
It is also obvious except to the OBW'ers president’s political rhetoric tried to shape shaped public opinion and the IRS received and responded to this political stimuli..
As far as deleted E-mails being the problem ..in it self it is not ..but if these deleted showed that the IRS was in fact targeting certain political groups for political reasons only just before a presidential election it would be significantly worth while pursuing ..even if young men are dying in Afghanistan and terrorist are taking over Iraq..
MY god !,, If for no other reason at least do it for the children..
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It is pretty obvious to everyone ..except the die hard Obama washers...that President Obama sent a subliminal message to the IRS to target Tea party and other conservative groups by scolding the High Court .. in his 2010 State of the Union address ...
In the SOTU address Obama delivered a stunning rebuke.. of the Supreme Court decision in favor of the group Citizens United which was among the IRS’s first and biggest targets...
It is also obvious except to the OBW'ers president’s political rhetoric tried to shape shaped public opinion and the IRS received and responded to this political stimuli..
As far as deleted E-mails being the problem ..in it self it is not ..but if these deleted showed that the IRS was in fact targeting certain political groups for political reasons only just before a presidential election it would be significantly worth while pursuing ..even if young men are dying in Afghanistan and terrorist are taking over Iraq..
MY god !,, If for no other reason at least do it for the children..
It is pretty obvious to everyone ..except the die hard Obama washers...that President Obama sent a subliminal message to the IRS to target Tea party and other conservative groups by scolding the High Court .. in his 2010 State of the Union address ...
In the SOTU address Obama delivered a stunning rebuke.. of the Supreme Court decision in favor of the group Citizens United which was among the IRS’s first and biggest targets...
It is also obvious except to the OBW'ers president’s political rhetoric tried to shape shaped public opinion and the IRS received and responded to this political stimuli..
This is spot on Slim
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
It is pretty obvious to everyone ..except the die hard Obama washers...that President Obama sent a subliminal message to the IRS to target Tea party and other conservative groups by scolding the High Court .. in his 2010 State of the Union address ...
In the SOTU address Obama delivered a stunning rebuke.. of the Supreme Court decision in favor of the group Citizens United which was among the IRS’s first and biggest targets...
It is also obvious except to the OBW'ers president’s political rhetoric tried to shape shaped public opinion and the IRS received and responded to this political stimuli..
I think the inability to be outraged at corruption is the downfall of this country.
When you accept corruption and evil you get everything that comes with that.
Imagine if we held our politicians and elected officials to some sort of standard, and actually held them responsible for corruption that EVERYONE can see.
The fact that this BS is commonplace is just as sad as the fact that with a potential Bush V. Clinton decision we will never have anything different.
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Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:
I think the inability to be outraged at corruption is the downfall of this country.
When you accept corruption and evil you get everything that comes with that.
Imagine if we held our politicians and elected officials to some sort of standard, and actually held them responsible for corruption that EVERYONE can see.
The fact that this BS is commonplace is just as sad as the fact that with a potential Bush V. Clinton decision we will never have anything different.
Also saw that the IRS kept paying maintenance fees to make it look like they were continuing to store the data when in fact they stopped months previously. Nothing to see here sheeple, move along to your next phase of government think camp.
Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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Also saw that the IRS kept paying maintenance fees to make it look like they were continuing to store the data when in fact they stopped months previously. Nothing to see here sheeple, move along to your next phase of government think camp.
I heard today the IRS was targeting an Iowa Senator? Too funny! Now we will see this go into 5th gear because a politician was targeted!
Two Texas Republicans are proposing a $1 million reward to anyone who recover former IRS employee Lois Lerner’s lost emails.
Reps. Bill Flores and Louie Gohmert proposed the Identify and Recover Sent Emails Act, or the IRS Act... In addition to $1 million bounty, the bill would offer $500,000 to anyone with information that can be used to prosecute officials involved in destroying the emails.
All reward money would be taken from the budget of the IRS. In addition, the bill would cut all IRS salaries by 20 percent until the Lerner emails are found.
.......... Good Luck Louie
If for some reason this passed ..it would for sure loosen lips ..LOL
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Quote Originally Posted by chilitokid:
I heard today the IRS was targeting an Iowa Senator? Too funny! Now we will see this go into 5th gear because a politician was targeted!
Two Texas Republicans are proposing a $1 million reward to anyone who recover former IRS employee Lois Lerner’s lost emails.
Reps. Bill Flores and Louie Gohmert proposed the Identify and Recover Sent Emails Act, or the IRS Act... In addition to $1 million bounty, the bill would offer $500,000 to anyone with information that can be used to prosecute officials involved in destroying the emails.
All reward money would be taken from the budget of the IRS. In addition, the bill would cut all IRS salaries by 20 percent until the Lerner emails are found.
.......... Good Luck Louie
If for some reason this passed ..it would for sure loosen lips ..LOL
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