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    Gerrymandering

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    ClubDirt
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    Posted: May. 22, 2014 - 4:22 PM ET #1

    getting elected and staying elected are all about money and power.

    when they say democracy, this is what they mean, right?


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/05/21/what-60-years-of-political-gerrymandering-looks-like/?tid=pm_pop
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    getting elected and staying elected are all about money and power.

    when they say democracy, this is what they mean, right?


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/05/21/what-60-years-of-political-gerrymandering-looks-like/?tid=pm_pop
     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2014 - 11:16 PM ET #2

    Gerrymandering is probably the biggest reason in dividing this country, more than any person or any single issue......
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    Gerrymandering is probably the biggest reason in dividing this country, more than any person or any single issue......
     
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    Posted: May. 23, 2014 - 12:59 PM ET #3

    once these guys get elected, they need to stay elected.  it beats working for a living. 
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    once these guys get elected, they need to stay elected.  it beats working for a living. 
     
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    Posted: May. 23, 2014 - 4:59 PM ET #4



    If you steal $100 you are a Thief.

    If you steal $100,000 you are a Banker.

    If you steal $!,000,000 you are a Politician.



    ~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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    If you steal $100 you are a Thief.

    If you steal $100,000 you are a Banker.

    If you steal $!,000,000 you are a Politician.



     
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    Posted: May. 24, 2014 - 8:22 PM ET #5

    Goose they don't need to steal when they make insider trading legal for themselves.
    The #1 reason these POS vote te way they do is because they have stock or are able to buy stock in a certain industry and then they vote to give them millions in aid....the green cause is a perfect example
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    Goose they don't need to steal when they make insider trading legal for themselves.
    The #1 reason these POS vote te way they do is because they have stock or are able to buy stock in a certain industry and then they vote to give them millions in aid....the green cause is a perfect example
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2025 - 12:45 AM ET #6

    So far as I’m aware, surveys have said that the American People are almost universally in favor of outlawing gerrymandering. It’s the party’s and the politicians who beat the drums for it! 

    Which is why we have to be skeptical, when we’re met with the omertà voting down the ticket for one side or the other 

    You can think of politics as “Democrats vs Republicans”, and choose a side to support, and see that things go wrong but that it’s somehow always the other side’s fault and other side’s blame.

    The reality is, though, you’re not a politician. You’ve maybe “aligned” yourself with the Democrats or Republicans , but the people in office are the actual Democrats & Republicans . You’re just some chump who sends checks that they can turn around and cash.

    A far more productive way to view it is that there’s the Democrats and Republicans, yes, but there’s also us the People. We outnumber them and they only get their job if we give it to them. There were times when Americans got there government to work for them with great legislative ideas and laws

    A politician’s literal job - like a fireman’s job is to fight fires - is to work for the good of everyone - whether they align with his team or not, whether they send him checks or not. A politician that gerrymanders is like a fireman that sets fires. It’s an act of maliciousness that precisely and absolutely identifies an individual as a person who is not fit for their office - no matter what their position list is. I guarantee, you can find someone else with the same position list of you go out and check a few dozen people.

    We all get nothing when we let the parties act maliciously to drum up support, fundraise, and blame the other team for shooting down the legislation that country needs be it Healthcare, Jobs ,Wages, Education, Environment and so on

    As you say yourself, solving those problems goes against the very incentive system that career politicians rely on. So again, you get nothing - not a single item that’s been promised to you from your party so long as we continue with politics as usual.

    Changing that isn’t “easy” but it really is just as easy as siding with the People and against the Politicians. You don’t have to put a single one back in office. We could swap out 2/3rds of Congress with all new people in just one election if we decided that we were done with this particular batch.

    The day that we’re all willing to step outside of the game is the day that we win it and we get our system running properly again.

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    So far as I’m aware, surveys have said that the American People are almost universally in favor of outlawing gerrymandering. It’s the party’s and the politicians who beat the drums for it! 

    Which is why we have to be skeptical, when we’re met with the omertà voting down the ticket for one side or the other 

    You can think of politics as “Democrats vs Republicans”, and choose a side to support, and see that things go wrong but that it’s somehow always the other side’s fault and other side’s blame.

    The reality is, though, you’re not a politician. You’ve maybe “aligned” yourself with the Democrats or Republicans , but the people in office are the actual Democrats & Republicans . You’re just some chump who sends checks that they can turn around and cash.

    A far more productive way to view it is that there’s the Democrats and Republicans, yes, but there’s also us the People. We outnumber them and they only get their job if we give it to them. There were times when Americans got there government to work for them with great legislative ideas and laws

    A politician’s literal job - like a fireman’s job is to fight fires - is to work for the good of everyone - whether they align with his team or not, whether they send him checks or not. A politician that gerrymanders is like a fireman that sets fires. It’s an act of maliciousness that precisely and absolutely identifies an individual as a person who is not fit for their office - no matter what their position list is. I guarantee, you can find someone else with the same position list of you go out and check a few dozen people.

    We all get nothing when we let the parties act maliciously to drum up support, fundraise, and blame the other team for shooting down the legislation that country needs be it Healthcare, Jobs ,Wages, Education, Environment and so on

    As you say yourself, solving those problems goes against the very incentive system that career politicians rely on. So again, you get nothing - not a single item that’s been promised to you from your party so long as we continue with politics as usual.

    Changing that isn’t “easy” but it really is just as easy as siding with the People and against the Politicians. You don’t have to put a single one back in office. We could swap out 2/3rds of Congress with all new people in just one election if we decided that we were done with this particular batch.

    The day that we’re all willing to step outside of the game is the day that we win it and we get our system running properly again.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2025 - 4:00 AM ET #7

    Under partisan gerrymandering, politicians choose voters instead of voters choosing politicians.  This is cheating to gain unfair advantage in determining outcome before election.  Result is politicians in safe electoral districts are less accountable to voters.  Ideally, all states should be competitive "swing states" instead of a few.  Far fairer to have independent nonpartisan committees draw electoral maps.

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    Under partisan gerrymandering, politicians choose voters instead of voters choosing politicians.  This is cheating to gain unfair advantage in determining outcome before election.  Result is politicians in safe electoral districts are less accountable to voters.  Ideally, all states should be competitive "swing states" instead of a few.  Far fairer to have independent nonpartisan committees draw electoral maps.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2025 - 5:44 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:

    So far as I’m aware, surveys have said that the American People are almost universally in favor of outlawing gerrymandering. It’s the party’s and the politicians who beat the drums for it! 

     

    The Economist/YouGov Poll
    August 15 - 18, 2025


    Q3. Should Partisan Gerrymandering Be Allowed?
    Should states be allowed to draw congressional districts in a way that intentionally favors one party over the other


    Moderates said:

           4% ......yes
    75% ...NO!!! an_arsed

     

     


    an_refAggregate of all responses, Dems and CONS:

           9% .....yes
    69% ...NO!!! angry

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:

    So far as I’m aware, surveys have said that the American People are almost universally in favor of outlawing gerrymandering. It’s the party’s and the politicians who beat the drums for it! 

     

    The Economist/YouGov Poll
    August 15 - 18, 2025


    Q3. Should Partisan Gerrymandering Be Allowed?
    Should states be allowed to draw congressional districts in a way that intentionally favors one party over the other


    Moderates said:

           4% ......yes
    75% ...NO!!! an_arsed

     

     


    an_refAggregate of all responses, Dems and CONS:

           9% .....yes
    69% ...NO!!! angry

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2025 - 8:36 AM ET #9

    Washington, DC goes 12 straight days without a murder following Trump’s capital crime crackdown

    Black Lives Matter? Orange man bad?   

    Step back and look at how they've divided us.  

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    Washington, DC goes 12 straight days without a murder following Trump’s capital crime crackdown

    Black Lives Matter? Orange man bad?   

    Step back and look at how they've divided us.  

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2025 - 12:27 PM ET #10

    @dman01

    A man was killed in a shooting in the early hours of August 26, 2025….Its all a show so he doesn’t have stand at rallies for people like you!….How does it feel to be played like a fool ? His wealth doubled in 10 months did yours?

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    @dman01

    A man was killed in a shooting in the early hours of August 26, 2025….Its all a show so he doesn’t have stand at rallies for people like you!….How does it feel to be played like a fool ? His wealth doubled in 10 months did yours?

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2025 - 3:40 PM ET #11

    @joe pockets

     They put his increase in wealth just from Crypto at 2.5 billion this year plus the Grift is still going on and his investment in Intel that American's will end up paying for as he steals everything again. He has never really made money before but he has also managed to make a few 100 million with his stocks and tariffs manipulations which is insider trading but bet he is sharing his plans with his felons on the SC, esp the 3 biggest crooks in that corrupt court.

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     They put his increase in wealth just from Crypto at 2.5 billion this year plus the Grift is still going on and his investment in Intel that American's will end up paying for as he steals everything again. He has never really made money before but he has also managed to make a few 100 million with his stocks and tariffs manipulations which is insider trading but bet he is sharing his plans with his felons on the SC, esp the 3 biggest crooks in that corrupt court.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2025 - 7:09 PM ET #12

    @JEG53t will

     He holds the lion share amount of his coin when he pulls out it will fall like a penny stock..If mostof the coins are owned by foreign origin they will not care ! It’s a legal delivery of a bribe!….. No one knows who owns those coins.

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    @JEG53t will

     He holds the lion share amount of his coin when he pulls out it will fall like a penny stock..If mostof the coins are owned by foreign origin they will not care ! It’s a legal delivery of a bribe!….. No one knows who owns those coins.

     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2025 - 7:35 PM ET #13

    @joe pockets

     I am sure if he is involved it will fail as that is what he does, ruin anything he comes into contract with.peace_5

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    @joe pockets

     I am sure if he is involved it will fail as that is what he does, ruin anything he comes into contract with.peace_5

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