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    False flag potential.

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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2023 - 1:33 PM ET #1

    In the unfolding propaganda a strategy begins to unfold.

    As putin effectively moved 25000 Wagner troops and replayed them to Belarus. 

    Staging a kyiv assault.

    Wagner claims to have returned all war heads to facility in its movement to claimed exile in Belarus.  If qagner nukes kyov with Wagner taking rhe fall for it. What is our response to russias renegade branch of service.

    Wagner works remotely around the world in 40 national Thea t ers for Russians 

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    In the unfolding propaganda a strategy begins to unfold.

    As putin effectively moved 25000 Wagner troops and replayed them to Belarus. 

    Staging a kyiv assault.

    Wagner claims to have returned all war heads to facility in its movement to claimed exile in Belarus.  If qagner nukes kyov with Wagner taking rhe fall for it. What is our response to russias renegade branch of service.

    Wagner works remotely around the world in 40 national Thea t ers for Russians 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2023 - 1:37 PM ET #2

    I am not saying or b just asking has every thought of understanding the risk and hedging the penalty.  Understanding potential concerns I'm horizons of potential now situations does d o any harm 

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    I am not saying or b just asking has every thought of understanding the risk and hedging the penalty.  Understanding potential concerns I'm horizons of potential now situations does d o any harm 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2023 - 1:44 PM ET #3

    This is the thought that started the handset wheel Herr.

    25000 prisoners matinee and marched to Moscow with their equipment unimpeded. The leader of the rebellion was issued a full pardon by putin and to be sent to Belarus with equipment 

    To return to service. Those Wagner that didn't matinee are offered contract with defense.

    State Mendez sorry misspelled but director of russiannationL security stated in public comment the crazies criminals possess 4000 nuclear weopons on state sponsored broadcast. 

    Sett8ng this stage... the potential nuclear Ddault of kyiv by will take the full Wagner. 

    Seems more possible than ourins best friend the one who cooked him ribs is willing to destroy the city he loves... Moscow is like Rome for these boys rrust.

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    This is the thought that started the handset wheel Herr.

    25000 prisoners matinee and marched to Moscow with their equipment unimpeded. The leader of the rebellion was issued a full pardon by putin and to be sent to Belarus with equipment 

    To return to service. Those Wagner that didn't matinee are offered contract with defense.

    State Mendez sorry misspelled but director of russiannationL security stated in public comment the crazies criminals possess 4000 nuclear weopons on state sponsored broadcast. 

    Sett8ng this stage... the potential nuclear Ddault of kyiv by will take the full Wagner. 

    Seems more possible than ourins best friend the one who cooked him ribs is willing to destroy the city he loves... Moscow is like Rome for these boys rrust.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2023 - 10:50 PM ET #4

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     Very interesting points!  thumbs_up

     

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    @nature1970

     Very interesting points!  thumbs_up

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2023 - 10:11 AM ET #5

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     The National Security Council says that Russia is attempting a "false flag operation" to "justify any attacks against civilian ships in the Black Sea and to then blame them on Ukraine."

     

    The declaration comes days after Russia backed out of a deal that helped move grain from Ukrainian ports, threatening global food supply.

     

    NSC spokesperson John Kirby told reporters in a briefing Thursday afternoon that Russia may try to expand its targets in the Black Sea to attacks on civilian ships that are transporting grain and food.

    Russia has already announced publicly that all ships proceeding to Ukrainian ports in Black Sea waters will be considered potential carriers of military cargo, even though they are simply trying to pick up grain and food to be able to feed people around the world," Kirby said.

    Kirby said Russia is falsely trying to blame Ukraine for sea mines that Russia itself planted, releasing a video of a detonation it claimed was from a Ukrainian mine.

    Kirby said the U.S. found it important to declassify and publicly share the information to warn that the Black Sea waters "are now more dangerous than they were before for civilian shipping and that's because of one party and one party only: and that's Russia."

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     The National Security Council says that Russia is attempting a "false flag operation" to "justify any attacks against civilian ships in the Black Sea and to then blame them on Ukraine."

     

    The declaration comes days after Russia backed out of a deal that helped move grain from Ukrainian ports, threatening global food supply.

     

    NSC spokesperson John Kirby told reporters in a briefing Thursday afternoon that Russia may try to expand its targets in the Black Sea to attacks on civilian ships that are transporting grain and food.

    Russia has already announced publicly that all ships proceeding to Ukrainian ports in Black Sea waters will be considered potential carriers of military cargo, even though they are simply trying to pick up grain and food to be able to feed people around the world," Kirby said.

    Kirby said Russia is falsely trying to blame Ukraine for sea mines that Russia itself planted, releasing a video of a detonation it claimed was from a Ukrainian mine.

    Kirby said the U.S. found it important to declassify and publicly share the information to warn that the Black Sea waters "are now more dangerous than they were before for civilian shipping and that's because of one party and one party only: and that's Russia."

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2023 - 1:21 PM ET #6

    The Russian military's presence in Belarus has increased greatly in size from its original deployments since the dissolution of the Soviet Union. The Russian military has been accused of assisting in the crackdown on the 2020–2021 Belarusian protests by supplying weapons and equipment to the Belarusian government and planning to invade the country in case the protests succeeded, and played a significant role in the early stages of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Russia currently maintains two military bases in Belarus, and is currently preparing to station tactical nuclear weapons in the country.

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    The Russian military's presence in Belarus has increased greatly in size from its original deployments since the dissolution of the Soviet Union. The Russian military has been accused of assisting in the crackdown on the 2020–2021 Belarusian protests by supplying weapons and equipment to the Belarusian government and planning to invade the country in case the protests succeeded, and played a significant role in the early stages of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Russia currently maintains two military bases in Belarus, and is currently preparing to station tactical nuclear weapons in the country.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2023 - 1:23 PM ET #7

    Following a 2022 constitutional referendum, the Belarusian and Russian militaries have pursued policies of stationing tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus. On 26 March 2023, Putin announced that Russia would station tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus under a nuclear sharing agreement, and that 9K720 Iskander missile launch systems had been transferred to Belarus. This decision came in spite of a joint Russian-Chinese declaration issued only days earlier calling on nuclear powers to withdraw all nuclear weapons from abroad.[16] Since the announcement, Belarusian units have been trained in the usage of Iskander systems,[17] and Russian ambassador to Belarus Boris Gryzlov has stated that nuclear weapons would be stationed at undisclosed locations in western Belarus.[18]

     

    Russia's stationing of nuclear weapons has been condemned by Belarusian opposition leader Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya, who stated that the deployment "grossly contradicts the will of the Belarusian people," and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who referred to it as a "step towards internal destabilisation". The Atlantic Council think tank has described the stationing of tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus as demonstrating the status of Belarus as a puppet state.[19]

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    Following a 2022 constitutional referendum, the Belarusian and Russian militaries have pursued policies of stationing tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus. On 26 March 2023, Putin announced that Russia would station tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus under a nuclear sharing agreement, and that 9K720 Iskander missile launch systems had been transferred to Belarus. This decision came in spite of a joint Russian-Chinese declaration issued only days earlier calling on nuclear powers to withdraw all nuclear weapons from abroad.[16] Since the announcement, Belarusian units have been trained in the usage of Iskander systems,[17] and Russian ambassador to Belarus Boris Gryzlov has stated that nuclear weapons would be stationed at undisclosed locations in western Belarus.[18]

     

    Russia's stationing of nuclear weapons has been condemned by Belarusian opposition leader Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya, who stated that the deployment "grossly contradicts the will of the Belarusian people," and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who referred to it as a "step towards internal destabilisation". The Atlantic Council think tank has described the stationing of tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus as demonstrating the status of Belarus as a puppet state.[19]

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2023 - 1:26 PM ET #8

    Wagner staging in Belarus. 

    https://www.rferl.org/a/wagner-troops-belarus-russia-mutiny/32505071.html

    5 hours ago...

    A long convoy transporting Wagner troops entered Belarus from Russia on July 15, the independent Belarusian military monitoring project Belaruski Hayun reported.

    The column included at least 60 vehicles, including pickups, large trucks, vans, and at least three buses, and was escorted by Belarusian traffic police, Belaruski Hayun said in a tweet.

    his mutiny. However, that number has not been verified.

    Russia is facing manpower issues and can’t afford to disband Wagner, which is considered one of the most experienced and disciplined units, military experts said.

    Putin on July 14 said Wagner troops could keep fighting in Ukraine but without Prigozhin as their leader. Wagner forces did not appear to be fighting in a major capacity at the moment, the Pentagon said a day earlier.

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    Wagner staging in Belarus. 

    https://www.rferl.org/a/wagner-troops-belarus-russia-mutiny/32505071.html

    5 hours ago...

    A long convoy transporting Wagner troops entered Belarus from Russia on July 15, the independent Belarusian military monitoring project Belaruski Hayun reported.

    The column included at least 60 vehicles, including pickups, large trucks, vans, and at least three buses, and was escorted by Belarusian traffic police, Belaruski Hayun said in a tweet.

    his mutiny. However, that number has not been verified.

    Russia is facing manpower issues and can’t afford to disband Wagner, which is considered one of the most experienced and disciplined units, military experts said.

    Putin on July 14 said Wagner troops could keep fighting in Ukraine but without Prigozhin as their leader. Wagner forces did not appear to be fighting in a major capacity at the moment, the Pentagon said a day earlier.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2023 - 1:36 PM ET #9

    Putin and Lukashenkos Power Play: Under the Shadow of a Warning

    Russian President Vladimir Putin and Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko are preparing for a significant meeting, set against the backdrop of an ominous warning from Moscow. The Russian capital has emphasized that any act of aggression against Belarus would be seen as an attack on Russia itself. This stern warning follows Poland’s decision to reposition military units closer to its border with Belarus, a move triggered by the deployment of Russian Wagner Group forces in Belarus. Putin has been vocal in his reassurances that Moscow would respond decisively to any hostility towards Belarus.

     

    The Belarusian Hand in the Ukraine Crisis

    Lukashenko, although refraining from sending his troops to Ukraine, has permitted Moscow to use Belarusian territory as a launchpad for its invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. Since then, Putin and Lukashenko have convened frequently, their countries have participated in numerous joint military training exercises. Lukashenko further courting controversy when he permitted Russia to use Belarus as a base for nuclear weapons in June, a move that was universally condemned by Western nations.

    As Wagner asks for deployment to polish front-line. 

    https://www.newsweek.com/wagner-group-wants-march-poland-putin-ally-warns-1814729

    P utin exiled the Wagner Group, a paramilitary unit that previously fought alongside his troops in Ukraine, to Belarus following an attempted mutiny by Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin against Moscow's military leadership last month. The transfer fueled concerns about stability across Eastern Europe, including Poland, which shares a strategically critical northeastern border with Belarus. The Polish military has transferred troops near its Belarusian border amid threats that the Wagner Group could attempt to seize the Suwalki Gap and cut off the Baltic states from the rest of Europe

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    Putin and Lukashenkos Power Play: Under the Shadow of a Warning

    Russian President Vladimir Putin and Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko are preparing for a significant meeting, set against the backdrop of an ominous warning from Moscow. The Russian capital has emphasized that any act of aggression against Belarus would be seen as an attack on Russia itself. This stern warning follows Poland’s decision to reposition military units closer to its border with Belarus, a move triggered by the deployment of Russian Wagner Group forces in Belarus. Putin has been vocal in his reassurances that Moscow would respond decisively to any hostility towards Belarus.

     

    The Belarusian Hand in the Ukraine Crisis

    Lukashenko, although refraining from sending his troops to Ukraine, has permitted Moscow to use Belarusian territory as a launchpad for its invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. Since then, Putin and Lukashenko have convened frequently, their countries have participated in numerous joint military training exercises. Lukashenko further courting controversy when he permitted Russia to use Belarus as a base for nuclear weapons in June, a move that was universally condemned by Western nations.

    As Wagner asks for deployment to polish front-line. 

    https://www.newsweek.com/wagner-group-wants-march-poland-putin-ally-warns-1814729

    P utin exiled the Wagner Group, a paramilitary unit that previously fought alongside his troops in Ukraine, to Belarus following an attempted mutiny by Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin against Moscow's military leadership last month. The transfer fueled concerns about stability across Eastern Europe, including Poland, which shares a strategically critical northeastern border with Belarus. The Polish military has transferred troops near its Belarusian border amid threats that the Wagner Group could attempt to seize the Suwalki Gap and cut off the Baltic states from the rest of Europe

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2023 - 1:43 PM ET #10

    Bottom line of news propaganda. 

    Russia has amassed 100,000 troops and allied with Belarus can quickly grow to 250,000 and nuclear weopon systems. In putins quest to absolve the Baltic nations back to the former soviet union authoritarian government system.

    This can certainly u to a full Northern offensive in this unfolding pivot move Russia has devised.

    The echo chamber playing into the confusion of a pending counter offensive in the full northern assault on kyiv. Once their army is to fsr east to logistically impossible to redeploy making that army fight back to the Capitol.....

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    Bottom line of news propaganda. 

    Russia has amassed 100,000 troops and allied with Belarus can quickly grow to 250,000 and nuclear weopon systems. In putins quest to absolve the Baltic nations back to the former soviet union authoritarian government system.

    This can certainly u to a full Northern offensive in this unfolding pivot move Russia has devised.

    The echo chamber playing into the confusion of a pending counter offensive in the full northern assault on kyiv. Once their army is to fsr east to logistically impossible to redeploy making that army fight back to the Capitol.....

     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2023 - 9:38 PM ET #11

    https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-lukashenka-wager-poland/32515408.html

    Russian President Vladimir Putin held talks in St. Petersburg on July 23 with Belarusian ruler Alyaksandr Lukashenka, who was quoted as saying in an apparent joking tone that fighters of Russia's Wagner mercenary group who are now training Belarus's army were keen to push across the border into NATO member Poland.

    "The Wagner guys have started to stress us. They want to go west. 'Let's go on a trip to Warsaw and Rzeszow'," he was quoted as saying.

    To read the original story by AFP, click here. https://www.barrons.com/news/kyiv-warsaw-will-always-stand-united-ukraine-s-fm-9e2b5b49
    Poland is moving extra troops toward the border with Belarus in response to the arrival of Wagner forces who relocated there after a short-lived mutiny in Russia last month.

    Poland is apart of Nato...what is nato response if Wagner n9n insignified mercenaries as a renegade russian army crosses that line and begins to disrupt life in Eastern Poland as it did in Eastern Ukraine in 2014.

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    https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-lukashenka-wager-poland/32515408.html

    Russian President Vladimir Putin held talks in St. Petersburg on July 23 with Belarusian ruler Alyaksandr Lukashenka, who was quoted as saying in an apparent joking tone that fighters of Russia's Wagner mercenary group who are now training Belarus's army were keen to push across the border into NATO member Poland.

    "The Wagner guys have started to stress us. They want to go west. 'Let's go on a trip to Warsaw and Rzeszow'," he was quoted as saying.

    To read the original story by AFP, click here. https://www.barrons.com/news/kyiv-warsaw-will-always-stand-united-ukraine-s-fm-9e2b5b49
    Poland is moving extra troops toward the border with Belarus in response to the arrival of Wagner forces who relocated there after a short-lived mutiny in Russia last month.

    Poland is apart of Nato...what is nato response if Wagner n9n insignified mercenaries as a renegade russian army crosses that line and begins to disrupt life in Eastern Poland as it did in Eastern Ukraine in 2014.

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