I urge you to get the vaccine to protect yourself, your family & everyone else that crosses your path.
if one wants to accept for himself , thats sad but he has the right when it can only affect him
but with a contagious viral disease inside a community that spreads by breath that decision by any one person may also ultimately affect the health and very lives of others
this is not acceptable
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
I urge you to get the vaccine to protect yourself, your family & everyone else that crosses your path.
if one wants to accept for himself , thats sad but he has the right when it can only affect him
but with a contagious viral disease inside a community that spreads by breath that decision by any one person may also ultimately affect the health and very lives of others
It depends on the severity of one's sickness from the Covid infection and his/her insurance coverage, the medical bills could hit as high as six figures. It's no joke, this man got $3.4 million from his first Covid medical bill*. *https://www.wbaltv.com/article/covid-19-medical-bills/36588017#
in canada , australia , the uk it would b almost completely free in the vast majority of cases
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
Quote Originally Posted by Europa:
It depends on the severity of one's sickness from the Covid infection and his/her insurance coverage, the medical bills could hit as high as six figures. It's no joke, this man got $3.4 million from his first Covid medical bill*. *https://www.wbaltv.com/article/covid-19-medical-bills/36588017#
in canada , australia , the uk it would b almost completely free in the vast majority of cases
Center for disease control is right. Breakthrough covid cases are rare among fully vaccinated people. Out of over 159 million fully vaccinated Americans, only 5492 breakthrough cases lead to death or hospitalization. Or rate of 0.0003% for severe illness. Instead infected vaccinated people tend to experience no or mild symptoms. However vast majority of covid deaths and hospitalizations occur among unvaccinated population.
of course it happens they never believed the rump vaccines would b 100% guarantee cure for anything
anyone who alleges otherwise or insists all on the left actually believe it is 100% guarantee , is a moron
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Center for disease control is right. Breakthrough covid cases are rare among fully vaccinated people. Out of over 159 million fully vaccinated Americans, only 5492 breakthrough cases lead to death or hospitalization. Or rate of 0.0003% for severe illness. Instead infected vaccinated people tend to experience no or mild symptoms. However vast majority of covid deaths and hospitalizations occur among unvaccinated population.
of course it happens they never believed the rump vaccines would b 100% guarantee cure for anything
anyone who alleges otherwise or insists all on the left actually believe it is 100% guarantee , is a moron
Originally Posted by nature1970: But as for the science of masks as anything more than operational room theater is foolish and has nothing to do with science only complacency.
Uh-huh.... So then all this PPE and/or hospital staff, nurses, and surgeons wearing masks and shields for any and ALL types of treatments and surgeries has been a phenominal waste for the past century....umm, because nature1970 says so, and all those scholarly scientists have no idea what they are talking about.....only some internet guy and a bottle of Jim Beam knows whats really what....
wow .
i always wondered as a kid why physicians and nurses wear masks during surgeries but now we got the straight facts from doctor nature1970 --- its all bunk surgical masks during open heart surgery or any invasive surgery does absolutely nothing at all a total waste
glad we got that cleared up so none of us remain ignorant of the true facts about masks
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Originally Posted by nature1970: But as for the science of masks as anything more than operational room theater is foolish and has nothing to do with science only complacency.
Uh-huh.... So then all this PPE and/or hospital staff, nurses, and surgeons wearing masks and shields for any and ALL types of treatments and surgeries has been a phenominal waste for the past century....umm, because nature1970 says so, and all those scholarly scientists have no idea what they are talking about.....only some internet guy and a bottle of Jim Beam knows whats really what....
wow .
i always wondered as a kid why physicians and nurses wear masks during surgeries but now we got the straight facts from doctor nature1970 --- its all bunk surgical masks during open heart surgery or any invasive surgery does absolutely nothing at all a total waste
glad we got that cleared up so none of us remain ignorant of the true facts about masks
Absurd for Paul to suggest Fauci basically caused the pandemic. Fact checkers politifact and snopes dispute Paul's claims. Neither National institute of health nor National institute of infectious diseases approved any grant to support gain-of-function research on coronaviruses to increase their lethality or transmissibility.
Fauci is a world famous immunologist who spend 50 years protecting the health of Americans. Paul is an ophthalmologist who hasn't been certified to practice medicine since 2005. Yet Paul decides he knows more about infectious diseases than Fauci. Paul has been wrong about pandemic, masks, lockdowns, social distancing and vaccines.
infectious disease expert of 50 yrs , fauci
opthamologist speaking about infectious diseases
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by Snorkel:
Where was Rand Paul wrong?
Absurd for Paul to suggest Fauci basically caused the pandemic. Fact checkers politifact and snopes dispute Paul's claims. Neither National institute of health nor National institute of infectious diseases approved any grant to support gain-of-function research on coronaviruses to increase their lethality or transmissibility.
Fauci is a world famous immunologist who spend 50 years protecting the health of Americans. Paul is an ophthalmologist who hasn't been certified to practice medicine since 2005. Yet Paul decides he knows more about infectious diseases than Fauci. Paul has been wrong about pandemic, masks, lockdowns, social distancing and vaccines.
Wearing a mask does not protect your eyes from droplets.
Wearing gloves in a store does not protect you from getting covid. That's why you wash your hands and do not touch your face!
Wearing a mask does not protect 100% of droplets from making it past a mask
Wearing a mask outside when nobody around is just foolish and shows how manipulated people are by the media. Why do people wear a mask outside, when it's warm, near water, with moderate winds WHEN NOBODY IS AROUND?! They are controlled by propaganda. Why do people wear gloves in the store when all they have to do is not touch their faces!
@KellyM_1964
Wearing a mask does not protect your eyes from droplets.
Wearing gloves in a store does not protect you from getting covid. That's why you wash your hands and do not touch your face!
Wearing a mask does not protect 100% of droplets from making it past a mask
Wearing a mask outside when nobody around is just foolish and shows how manipulated people are by the media. Why do people wear a mask outside, when it's warm, near water, with moderate winds WHEN NOBODY IS AROUND?! They are controlled by propaganda. Why do people wear gloves in the store when all they have to do is not touch their faces!
@Snorkel You're right. Enzyme has the right to decline the vaccine but it would be really fucked up if he got the virus & passed it along to someone he loves or cares about.
If he wants to expose himself that's on him.
I got a problem with him exposing others if he gets it.
This bears repeating as often as is necessary:
Bottom line about "freedoms" in a Democratic society:
"The right to swing YOUR fists *END* where MY nose begins."
- Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.
Stupid people just fail to grasp this rather simple concept.
We have so called "freedom of speech" sure, but there are several notable restrictions to that in our society and if one doesn't like it then he/she is *FREE* to leave.
Try yelling "I think there's a BOMB onboard!!" the next time you're on a crowded flight taxiing on to the runway and you'll soon see just how quickly your "freedom" is abruptly halted.
Everyone has a RIGHT to NOT get vaccinated!!!
I stand by that 100%
But, you do NOT have the right to infect others with a contagious diseasse that spreads by BREATHING if/when you get infected (a thing you may NEVER actually know if you have!)
I stand by that 100% too.
Vaccination is reasonable in a society where there is a contagious disease. We do it for other diseases!! The alternative is for the UNvaccinated "freedom lovers" to quarantine 24/7.
While your at it, go ahead and take off all your clothing and head to the mall.
Your body; your choice, right?!
See if "your community" agrees with YOUR freedom to choose....
well said u will get moronic blowback from the rumpkissers though but that changes nothing
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
@Snorkel You're right. Enzyme has the right to decline the vaccine but it would be really fucked up if he got the virus & passed it along to someone he loves or cares about.
If he wants to expose himself that's on him.
I got a problem with him exposing others if he gets it.
This bears repeating as often as is necessary:
Bottom line about "freedoms" in a Democratic society:
"The right to swing YOUR fists *END* where MY nose begins."
- Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.
Stupid people just fail to grasp this rather simple concept.
We have so called "freedom of speech" sure, but there are several notable restrictions to that in our society and if one doesn't like it then he/she is *FREE* to leave.
Try yelling "I think there's a BOMB onboard!!" the next time you're on a crowded flight taxiing on to the runway and you'll soon see just how quickly your "freedom" is abruptly halted.
Everyone has a RIGHT to NOT get vaccinated!!!
I stand by that 100%
But, you do NOT have the right to infect others with a contagious diseasse that spreads by BREATHING if/when you get infected (a thing you may NEVER actually know if you have!)
I stand by that 100% too.
Vaccination is reasonable in a society where there is a contagious disease. We do it for other diseases!! The alternative is for the UNvaccinated "freedom lovers" to quarantine 24/7.
While your at it, go ahead and take off all your clothing and head to the mall.
Your body; your choice, right?!
See if "your community" agrees with YOUR freedom to choose....
well said u will get moronic blowback from the rumpkissers though but that changes nothing
getting the vax does not prevent you from getting covid. IT LIMITS THE SYMPTOMS FOR YOU AND YOU ONLY. you can get the vax and still get covid and still pass it on. Just like you can not get the vax and still get covid and still pass it on. Wake up.
@KellyM_1964
getting the vax does not prevent you from getting covid. IT LIMITS THE SYMPTOMS FOR YOU AND YOU ONLY. you can get the vax and still get covid and still pass it on. Just like you can not get the vax and still get covid and still pass it on. Wake up.
look, even your own say the same! "Being vaccinated doesn't ALWAYS stop you from spreading the virus".
Stop trying to control how other people live their lives. Your ideas are not always right so don't push a way of life on someone else! Mind your own damn business. If someone is vaxed or not IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS! If you're afraid of getting covid, stay inside, you'll be safe.
look, even your own say the same! "Being vaccinated doesn't ALWAYS stop you from spreading the virus".
Stop trying to control how other people live their lives. Your ideas are not always right so don't push a way of life on someone else! Mind your own damn business. If someone is vaxed or not IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS! If you're afraid of getting covid, stay inside, you'll be safe.
Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: The vaccine is free. If you choose not to be vaccinated & you get the virus, you will be saddled the rest of your life with medical bills that are not free. As a fellow American, I urge you to get the vaccine to protect yourself, your family & everyone else that crosses your path.
It depends on the severity of one's sickness from the Covid infection and his/her insurance coverage, the medical bills could hit as high as six figures. It's no joke, this man got $3.4 million from his first Covid medical bill*. *https://www.wbaltv.com/article/covid-19-medical-bills/36588017#
True. Since the TRUMP-ENABLED-contagious virus affects a disproportionate number of Americans who are NOT high on the income scale that likely means a very large proportion of them either have weak insurance or no insurance at all, and/or have high deductibles and co-pays even if they do! And that's *IF* they survive! The actual cost of *survival* may be more than many can afford and -- perhaps through no fault of their own -- leave many with exceptionally high and chronic stress levels and near destitution -- perhaps leading to crime just to afford the bills!
Without Obama-care this would even be much worse for many!
And all thanks to the: TRUMP-ENABLED-contagious virus
yep . the virus rump allowed to penetrate our borders then allowed to spread faster then lies at a cpac rally
had he done his job right most of this crap and most of the death never would have happened
countries like australia , taiwan ,korea , hong kong, new zealand , japan ,norway -- all of which fully endorsed and accepted mask-wearing prove this .
wearing a mask is not to protect u its to protect OTHERS FROM U
even outdoors sitting near others or standing on a street corner close to others or walking past others or jogging past them
the ignorant rightwingnutjobs still refuse to understand that this virus spreads by breathing and it is not a fact that each and every time an infected person breathes his breath always automatically shoots vertically above him and cant possibly come within contact of another by wind or other air movement nope it always shoots straight up 100 feet immediately !
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: The vaccine is free. If you choose not to be vaccinated & you get the virus, you will be saddled the rest of your life with medical bills that are not free. As a fellow American, I urge you to get the vaccine to protect yourself, your family & everyone else that crosses your path.
It depends on the severity of one's sickness from the Covid infection and his/her insurance coverage, the medical bills could hit as high as six figures. It's no joke, this man got $3.4 million from his first Covid medical bill*. *https://www.wbaltv.com/article/covid-19-medical-bills/36588017#
True. Since the TRUMP-ENABLED-contagious virus affects a disproportionate number of Americans who are NOT high on the income scale that likely means a very large proportion of them either have weak insurance or no insurance at all, and/or have high deductibles and co-pays even if they do! And that's *IF* they survive! The actual cost of *survival* may be more than many can afford and -- perhaps through no fault of their own -- leave many with exceptionally high and chronic stress levels and near destitution -- perhaps leading to crime just to afford the bills!
Without Obama-care this would even be much worse for many!
And all thanks to the: TRUMP-ENABLED-contagious virus
yep . the virus rump allowed to penetrate our borders then allowed to spread faster then lies at a cpac rally
had he done his job right most of this crap and most of the death never would have happened
countries like australia , taiwan ,korea , hong kong, new zealand , japan ,norway -- all of which fully endorsed and accepted mask-wearing prove this .
wearing a mask is not to protect u its to protect OTHERS FROM U
even outdoors sitting near others or standing on a street corner close to others or walking past others or jogging past them
the ignorant rightwingnutjobs still refuse to understand that this virus spreads by breathing and it is not a fact that each and every time an infected person breathes his breath always automatically shoots vertically above him and cant possibly come within contact of another by wind or other air movement nope it always shoots straight up 100 feet immediately !
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: If he wants to expose himself that's on him. I got a problem with him exposing others if he gets it. well said midnight1 to some morons though risking OTHERS health is perfectly acceptable
EVERYONE IS EXPOSING EVERYONE EVEN IF YOU'RE VAXED. SO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH EVERYONE!
Stop being a moronic idiot.
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: If he wants to expose himself that's on him. I got a problem with him exposing others if he gets it. well said midnight1 to some morons though risking OTHERS health is perfectly acceptable
EVERYONE IS EXPOSING EVERYONE EVEN IF YOU'RE VAXED. SO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH EVERYONE!
yep . the virus rump allowed to penetrate our borders then allowed to spread faster then lies at a cpac rally
had he done his job right most of this crap and most of the death never would have happened
countries like australia , taiwan ,korea , hong kong, new zealand , japan ,norway -- all of which fully endorsed and accepted mask-wearing prove this .
wearing a mask is not to protect u
its to protect OTHERS FROM U
even outdoors sitting near others or standing on a street corner close to others or walking past others or jogging past them
the ignorant rightwingnutjobs still refuse to understand that this virus spreads by breathing and it is not a fact that each and every time an infected person breathes his breath always automatically shoots vertically above him and cant possibly come within contact of another by wind or other air movement nope it always shoots straight up 100 feet immediately !
Exactly. I wouldn't expect anyone here who voted for trump to understand this though
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
yep . the virus rump allowed to penetrate our borders then allowed to spread faster then lies at a cpac rally
had he done his job right most of this crap and most of the death never would have happened
countries like australia , taiwan ,korea , hong kong, new zealand , japan ,norway -- all of which fully endorsed and accepted mask-wearing prove this .
wearing a mask is not to protect u
its to protect OTHERS FROM U
even outdoors sitting near others or standing on a street corner close to others or walking past others or jogging past them
the ignorant rightwingnutjobs still refuse to understand that this virus spreads by breathing and it is not a fact that each and every time an infected person breathes his breath always automatically shoots vertically above him and cant possibly come within contact of another by wind or other air movement nope it always shoots straight up 100 feet immediately !
Exactly. I wouldn't expect anyone here who voted for trump to understand this though
The opposite is true: with the numbers vaccinated but *NOT* infected the TRUMP-VACCINES are effective!
More to the point, the vaccines were:
1) always anticipated to be less than 100% effective -- repeated often, and understood by those who actually listen, and
2) were designed specifically to protect against severe illness and death, and only hoped to provide protection against transmissable infection per se.
Currrent research proves it is working in BOTH regards.
THEY NEVER SAID IT WOULD BE 100% PERFECT!
(Note: J & J is mostly a failure, unfortunately)
also well said
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
The opposite is true: with the numbers vaccinated but *NOT* infected the TRUMP-VACCINES are effective!
More to the point, the vaccines were:
1) always anticipated to be less than 100% effective -- repeated often, and understood by those who actually listen, and
2) were designed specifically to protect against severe illness and death, and only hoped to provide protection against transmissable infection per se.
Currrent research proves it is working in BOTH regards.
I urge you to get the vaccine to protect yourself, your family & everyone else that crosses your path.
if one wants to accept risk for himself , thats sad but he has the right when it can only affect him
but with a contagious viral disease inside a community that spreads by breath that decision by any one person may also ultimately affect the health and very lives of others
this is not acceptable
AGREED! Living inside a community of thousands of people is different than living by yourself on a farm 10 miles from Buttphuck Wyoming.
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
I urge you to get the vaccine to protect yourself, your family & everyone else that crosses your path.
if one wants to accept risk for himself , thats sad but he has the right when it can only affect him
but with a contagious viral disease inside a community that spreads by breath that decision by any one person may also ultimately affect the health and very lives of others
this is not acceptable
AGREED! Living inside a community of thousands of people is different than living by yourself on a farm 10 miles from Buttphuck Wyoming.
yep . the virus rump allowed to penetrate our borders then allowed to spread faster then lies at a cpac rally
had he done his job right most of this crap and most of the death never would have happened
countries like australia , taiwan ,korea , hong kong, new zealand , japan ,norway -- all of which fully endorsed and accepted mask-wearing prove this .
wearing a mask is not to protect u
its to protect OTHERS FROM U
even outdoors sitting near others or standing on a street corner close to others or walking past others or jogging past them
the ignorant rightwingnutjobs still refuse to understand that this virus spreads by breathing and it is not a fact that each and every time an infected person breathes his breath always automatically shoots vertically above him and cant possibly come within contact of another by wind or other air movement nope it always shoots straight up 100 feet immediately !
Exactly. I wouldn't expect anyone here who voted for trump to understand this though
and to prove the point one of them just did in this thread
they refuse to understand the mask is to protect OTHER PEOPLE
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
yep . the virus rump allowed to penetrate our borders then allowed to spread faster then lies at a cpac rally
had he done his job right most of this crap and most of the death never would have happened
countries like australia , taiwan ,korea , hong kong, new zealand , japan ,norway -- all of which fully endorsed and accepted mask-wearing prove this .
wearing a mask is not to protect u
its to protect OTHERS FROM U
even outdoors sitting near others or standing on a street corner close to others or walking past others or jogging past them
the ignorant rightwingnutjobs still refuse to understand that this virus spreads by breathing and it is not a fact that each and every time an infected person breathes his breath always automatically shoots vertically above him and cant possibly come within contact of another by wind or other air movement nope it always shoots straight up 100 feet immediately !
Exactly. I wouldn't expect anyone here who voted for trump to understand this though
and to prove the point one of them just did in this thread
they refuse to understand the mask is to protect OTHER PEOPLE
Also think of vaccines as seatbelts. Seatbelts aren't useless because someone is injured in a car accident. Seabelts prevent serious injuries but don't prevent car accidents. In the end, people are still better off with seatbelts and vaccines.
yep we can still b in a violent collison wearing a seatbelt but the chances of death r significantly reduced
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Also think of vaccines as seatbelts. Seatbelts aren't useless because someone is injured in a car accident. Seabelts prevent serious injuries but don't prevent car accidents. In the end, people are still better off with seatbelts and vaccines.
yep we can still b in a violent collison wearing a seatbelt but the chances of death r significantly reduced
Now, from a slightly different perspective, I am saying that we accept this law for seatbelts (which I think is mandatory in almost every state, but at least extremely widespread law) even though that mandatory law actually only "helps protect" (there's no 100% guarantee) just that person. Me wearing a seatbelt does not protect in any way 100's of other people. Just me. And it's not perfect. As you said it doesn't prevent collisions, and it doesn't prevent any and all injuries or death. It really helps though. And it is an accepted mandate, despite only helping the ONE person.
The trump-vaccines, (not J & J) otoh, not only "helps protect" the vaccinated person himself (there's no 100% guarantee here either) but also "helps protect" THE ENTIRE FREAKIN' COMMUNITY!!- as you and Midnight1 and myself and Europa and Kelly and DeezyAZ to name a few have been alluding to for months.
So here's the point:
trump-worshippersand rightwing media followers (its mostly them but not only) are not actively whining about mandates to wear a seatbelt (which restricts their freedom to NOT wear a seatbelt if they choose) They are accepting of this mandate - even though such a mandate really only serves to "help protect" ONE PERSON.
But they totally BALK at getting vaccinated with trump's vaccines - when vaccination would "help protect" them PLUS 100's of others, maybe thousands!!! And it's not even a mandate, just an encouragement. They WON'T accept this "encouragenment to help protect the entire community" but they do accept seatbelt laws that affect only one person.
Their logic is just crazy stupid....
crazy stupid rumpkisser logic but thats the way many of them r
"I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
Now, from a slightly different perspective, I am saying that we accept this law for seatbelts (which I think is mandatory in almost every state, but at least extremely widespread law) even though that mandatory law actually only "helps protect" (there's no 100% guarantee) just that person. Me wearing a seatbelt does not protect in any way 100's of other people. Just me. And it's not perfect. As you said it doesn't prevent collisions, and it doesn't prevent any and all injuries or death. It really helps though. And it is an accepted mandate, despite only helping the ONE person.
The trump-vaccines, (not J & J) otoh, not only "helps protect" the vaccinated person himself (there's no 100% guarantee here either) but also "helps protect" THE ENTIRE FREAKIN' COMMUNITY!!- as you and Midnight1 and myself and Europa and Kelly and DeezyAZ to name a few have been alluding to for months.
So here's the point:
trump-worshippersand rightwing media followers (its mostly them but not only) are not actively whining about mandates to wear a seatbelt (which restricts their freedom to NOT wear a seatbelt if they choose) They are accepting of this mandate - even though such a mandate really only serves to "help protect" ONE PERSON.
But they totally BALK at getting vaccinated with trump's vaccines - when vaccination would "help protect" them PLUS 100's of others, maybe thousands!!! And it's not even a mandate, just an encouragement. They WON'T accept this "encouragenment to help protect the entire community" but they do accept seatbelt laws that affect only one person.
Their logic is just crazy stupid....
crazy stupid rumpkisser logic but thats the way many of them r
Originally Posted by nature1970: But as for the science of masks as anything more than operational room theater is foolish and has nothing to do with science only complacency.
Uh-huh.... So then all this PPE and/or hospital staff, nurses, and surgeons wearing masks and shields for any and ALL types of treatments and surgeries has been a phenominal waste for the past century....umm, because nature1970 says so, and all those scholarly scientists have no idea what they are talking about.....only some internet guy and a bottle of Jim Beam knows whats really what....
wow .
i always wondered as a kid why physicians and nurses wear masks during surgeries but now we got the straight facts from doctor nature1970 --- its all bunk surgical masks during open heart surgery or any invasive surgery does absolutely nothing at all a total waste
glad we got that cleared up so none of us remain ignorant of the true facts about masks
Right! And here I always thought the surgeons/OR nurses wore masks in an otherwise totally antiseptic operating theatre to protect the patient from germs/virus/bacteria coming from them into the patient!
Silly of me to think that all this time.
I should've known --- masks to protect other people/patients are completely useless!
No value whatsoever ----> not even a small amount!
Case solved ...... I suppose ...... according to one guy anyway
Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:
Originally Posted by nature1970: But as for the science of masks as anything more than operational room theater is foolish and has nothing to do with science only complacency.
Uh-huh.... So then all this PPE and/or hospital staff, nurses, and surgeons wearing masks and shields for any and ALL types of treatments and surgeries has been a phenominal waste for the past century....umm, because nature1970 says so, and all those scholarly scientists have no idea what they are talking about.....only some internet guy and a bottle of Jim Beam knows whats really what....
wow .
i always wondered as a kid why physicians and nurses wear masks during surgeries but now we got the straight facts from doctor nature1970 --- its all bunk surgical masks during open heart surgery or any invasive surgery does absolutely nothing at all a total waste
glad we got that cleared up so none of us remain ignorant of the true facts about masks
Right! And here I always thought the surgeons/OR nurses wore masks in an otherwise totally antiseptic operating theatre to protect the patient from germs/virus/bacteria coming from them into the patient!
Silly of me to think that all this time.
I should've known --- masks to protect other people/patients are completely useless!
No value whatsoever ----> not even a small amount!
Case solved ...... I suppose ...... according to one guy anyway
Don't be an idiot. Surgeons wear masks AND face shields because they are working over patients for hours at a time. People walking outside or in a store are just passing by for seconds.
The media is pushing masks because they know your boy fauci is in big trouble. Truth will come out about your so called hero. There's clear proof against fauci and there's people willing to back up the truth and expose his lies.
@fubah2
Don't be an idiot. Surgeons wear masks AND face shields because they are working over patients for hours at a time. People walking outside or in a store are just passing by for seconds.
The media is pushing masks because they know your boy fauci is in big trouble. Truth will come out about your so called hero. There's clear proof against fauci and there's people willing to back up the truth and expose his lies.
@KellyM_1964 getting the vax does not prevent you from getting covid. IT LIMITS THE SYMPTOMS FOR YOU AND YOU ONLY. you can get the vax and still get covid and still pass it on. Just like you can not get the vax and still get covid and still pass it on.
Evidences show vaccines help curb virus transmission to others. Public health England found vaccination reduces transmission by 40-50%. According to Nature journal, similar conclusions reached by studies in Israel and Finland. A civil society protects the most vulnerable who cannot be vaccinated such as cancer patients with weakened immune systems. Achieving herd immunity protects the unvaccinated by having enough vaccinated people around them. Since fully vaccinated people are able to clear infection so quickly, far less unlikely they would produce enough virus to infect others. Most virus transmissions are driven by unvaccinated people. 99% of covid deaths and hospitalizations occur among unvaccinated population.
Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:
@KellyM_1964 getting the vax does not prevent you from getting covid. IT LIMITS THE SYMPTOMS FOR YOU AND YOU ONLY. you can get the vax and still get covid and still pass it on. Just like you can not get the vax and still get covid and still pass it on.
Evidences show vaccines help curb virus transmission to others. Public health England found vaccination reduces transmission by 40-50%. According to Nature journal, similar conclusions reached by studies in Israel and Finland. A civil society protects the most vulnerable who cannot be vaccinated such as cancer patients with weakened immune systems. Achieving herd immunity protects the unvaccinated by having enough vaccinated people around them. Since fully vaccinated people are able to clear infection so quickly, far less unlikely they would produce enough virus to infect others. Most virus transmissions are driven by unvaccinated people. 99% of covid deaths and hospitalizations occur among unvaccinated population.
Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: getting the vax does not prevent you from getting covid. IT LIMITS THE SYMPTOMS FOR YOU AND YOU ONLY. you can get the vax and still get covid and still pass it on.
Evidence show vaccines help curb virus transmission to others.
Public health England found vaccination reduces transmission by 40-50%.
According to Nature journal, similar conclusions reached by studies in Israel and Finland.
Huge difference!! Significantly effective to REDUCE transmission *FROM* vaccinated people.
Further, what we DON'T know is what form the virus is when it leaves a vaccinated person and transfers to an UNvaccinated person. We DO NOT know if it is just as deadly and transmissible after it leaves them. MAYBE the vaccine has some effct on the virus inside the body in a way that renders the virus MUCH LESS POTENT. We don't know yet. It's too early to say if it is just as deadly leaving a VACCINATED person's body or if the virus undergoes some changes that make it far less potent. This is being studied now but results are months away!
I have a feeling from the little we know already that the virus CAN BE TRANSMITTED from a vaccinated person, YES!, but it may very well have been altered to be less virulent/dangerous. Hopeful this is the case. But right now **NOBODY** can say for sure one way or another without data from **SEVERAL** properly conducted studies on many thousands of people.
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: getting the vax does not prevent you from getting covid. IT LIMITS THE SYMPTOMS FOR YOU AND YOU ONLY. you can get the vax and still get covid and still pass it on.
Evidence show vaccines help curb virus transmission to others.
Public health England found vaccination reduces transmission by 40-50%.
According to Nature journal, similar conclusions reached by studies in Israel and Finland.
Huge difference!! Significantly effective to REDUCE transmission *FROM* vaccinated people.
Further, what we DON'T know is what form the virus is when it leaves a vaccinated person and transfers to an UNvaccinated person. We DO NOT know if it is just as deadly and transmissible after it leaves them. MAYBE the vaccine has some effct on the virus inside the body in a way that renders the virus MUCH LESS POTENT. We don't know yet. It's too early to say if it is just as deadly leaving a VACCINATED person's body or if the virus undergoes some changes that make it far less potent. This is being studied now but results are months away!
I have a feeling from the little we know already that the virus CAN BE TRANSMITTED from a vaccinated person, YES!, but it may very well have been altered to be less virulent/dangerous. Hopeful this is the case. But right now **NOBODY** can say for sure one way or another without data from **SEVERAL** properly conducted studies on many thousands of people.
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