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    Chris Christie is the only Republican who is talking policy

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    joe pockets
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2023 - 8:11 PM ET #1

    Are there currently any Republican presidential candidates that are running on policy?

     Or is it all Hunter Biden & His lap top, or what the republicans clown show feel his compensation for services should be ? 

    5 years and all they have is Trumps appointed prosecutor getting stabbed in the back over politics! Oh and Gym Jordan starting every statement with “ I Think “ ! EVIDENCE GYM EVIDENCE! What I know is Gym Jordan is 500 +  days late in testifying! 

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    Are there currently any Republican presidential candidates that are running on policy?

     Or is it all Hunter Biden & His lap top, or what the republicans clown show feel his compensation for services should be ? 

    5 years and all they have is Trumps appointed prosecutor getting stabbed in the back over politics! Oh and Gym Jordan starting every statement with “ I Think “ ! EVIDENCE GYM EVIDENCE! What I know is Gym Jordan is 500 +  days late in testifying! 

     
    Raiders22
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2023 - 9:40 PM ET #2

    No, not at this time.  They are too worried about being wrong about an issue at this early point and falling out of contention.  They are trying to jockey above each other in order to be in second position to Trump and then try to figure out a way to run against his policies.

    Right now they are too worried about having a slip-up.  So, they are just running with platitudes and generic ramblings.  

    If they can move up to second place, by letting the rest make mistakes, then they can run on anti-Trump rhetoric.

    Then whomever wins the Republican nomination will still not do an effective job of running against Biden.  They will try to run on anti-Biden policies.

    The only one that is trying to stand out at this point is Ramaswamy.  But that is due a lot to his background of not being a politician, not much unlike Trump.

    The Republicans always do a very poor job of running on the policies the people care about; instead they run on what they WANT them to care about.  

    This is a huge mistake.  They then have to hope enough folks do not like the Democratic candidate enough for them to win.  They never run with effective messaging on the correct policies.

    For example, this is a good quote about this:

    Meanwhile, the not-stupid -- but unfocused -- conservative Freedom Caucus is threatening to shut down the government unless they get concessions, primarily cuts in government spending.

    I have a secret for you, GOP: No one cares about government spending. I'm sure it's important, and there are probably a hundred Wall Street Journal articles explaining why, but not more than 1% of voters will ever reward you for cutting spending.

    Government spending is Republicans' "climate change." We've gotten frantic warnings that the world will end if we don't cut spending for the last 50 years -- exactly as long as we've been warned that the world will end if we don't cut carbon emissions. Year after year, we do nothing, and yet the world doesn't come remotely close to ending.

    I think this is a huge mistake the Republicans usually make.  This sort of thing does not resonate well enough with Republicans; it certainly does not bring in the Independent or flexible Democratic voter.

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    No, not at this time.  They are too worried about being wrong about an issue at this early point and falling out of contention.  They are trying to jockey above each other in order to be in second position to Trump and then try to figure out a way to run against his policies.

    Right now they are too worried about having a slip-up.  So, they are just running with platitudes and generic ramblings.  

    If they can move up to second place, by letting the rest make mistakes, then they can run on anti-Trump rhetoric.

    Then whomever wins the Republican nomination will still not do an effective job of running against Biden.  They will try to run on anti-Biden policies.

    The only one that is trying to stand out at this point is Ramaswamy.  But that is due a lot to his background of not being a politician, not much unlike Trump.

    The Republicans always do a very poor job of running on the policies the people care about; instead they run on what they WANT them to care about.  

    This is a huge mistake.  They then have to hope enough folks do not like the Democratic candidate enough for them to win.  They never run with effective messaging on the correct policies.

    For example, this is a good quote about this:

    Meanwhile, the not-stupid -- but unfocused -- conservative Freedom Caucus is threatening to shut down the government unless they get concessions, primarily cuts in government spending.

    I have a secret for you, GOP: No one cares about government spending. I'm sure it's important, and there are probably a hundred Wall Street Journal articles explaining why, but not more than 1% of voters will ever reward you for cutting spending.

    Government spending is Republicans' "climate change." We've gotten frantic warnings that the world will end if we don't cut spending for the last 50 years -- exactly as long as we've been warned that the world will end if we don't cut carbon emissions. Year after year, we do nothing, and yet the world doesn't come remotely close to ending.

    I think this is a huge mistake the Republicans usually make.  This sort of thing does not resonate well enough with Republicans; it certainly does not bring in the Independent or flexible Democratic voter.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 1:42 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:

    Are there currently any Republican presidential candidates that are running on policy?  

    Or is it all Hunter Biden & His lap top, or what the republicans clown show feel his compensation for services should be ?  5 years and all they have is Trumps appointed prosecutor getting stabbed in the back over politics!

    @joe pockets

    Will Hurd, Asa Hutchinson.   Don't know if either will make the next debate stage but I believe they are like Christie and trying to put out an actual platform with some traditional GOP policy talking points at least.  Maybe Nikki Haley too. 

    But I agree with you that the public perception certainly doesn't seem to reflect this.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:

    Are there currently any Republican presidential candidates that are running on policy?  

    Or is it all Hunter Biden & His lap top, or what the republicans clown show feel his compensation for services should be ?  5 years and all they have is Trumps appointed prosecutor getting stabbed in the back over politics!

    @joe pockets

    Will Hurd, Asa Hutchinson.   Don't know if either will make the next debate stage but I believe they are like Christie and trying to put out an actual platform with some traditional GOP policy talking points at least.  Maybe Nikki Haley too. 

    But I agree with you that the public perception certainly doesn't seem to reflect this.

     

     
    Rush51
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 4:54 PM ET #4

    Kris Krispy Kreme is a nothingburger, and his attacks on Trump is his primary campaign platform..  He will wither away to nothing after the 2nd debate.  And He brings very little substance to any debate,  so it's ironic JP that you think he does. 

    Ramaswamy on the other hand isn't afraid to kick the hornets nest , and talk about issues that "should" be spoken about but aren't..  Even Republicans don't want to touch the topics he brings up.  Case in point.  His important (and correct) point that black youth are not performing any better in school in the last decades.  Why ?  Well, it starts w/ a lack of a 2 parent household for one, and the shitty schools that the blacks go to as well.  At least the 2nd point can be addressed w/ "School Choice" ...  Ramaswamy mentioned this... So, why isn't this promoted more to improve black youth outcomes in education ?  

    I think Vivek's  strategy of patronizing Trump is an interesting,..and wise one, because I don't think his end game is winning the Republican nomination, but rather being Trump's potential running mate, or vying for a position in Trump's cabinet.  Why do I say this ?  Because how do you expect to win the nomination when you support and patronize the leading candidate...   

    We need more people like Vivek that are not politicial running for public office.  Bringing a business background to Washington is a good thing, and forces candidates, people to talk about important issues that otherwise are ignored.    

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    Kris Krispy Kreme is a nothingburger, and his attacks on Trump is his primary campaign platform..  He will wither away to nothing after the 2nd debate.  And He brings very little substance to any debate,  so it's ironic JP that you think he does. 

    Ramaswamy on the other hand isn't afraid to kick the hornets nest , and talk about issues that "should" be spoken about but aren't..  Even Republicans don't want to touch the topics he brings up.  Case in point.  His important (and correct) point that black youth are not performing any better in school in the last decades.  Why ?  Well, it starts w/ a lack of a 2 parent household for one, and the shitty schools that the blacks go to as well.  At least the 2nd point can be addressed w/ "School Choice" ...  Ramaswamy mentioned this... So, why isn't this promoted more to improve black youth outcomes in education ?  

    I think Vivek's  strategy of patronizing Trump is an interesting,..and wise one, because I don't think his end game is winning the Republican nomination, but rather being Trump's potential running mate, or vying for a position in Trump's cabinet.  Why do I say this ?  Because how do you expect to win the nomination when you support and patronize the leading candidate...   

    We need more people like Vivek that are not politicial running for public office.  Bringing a business background to Washington is a good thing, and forces candidates, people to talk about important issues that otherwise are ignored.    

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 5:01 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    No, not at this time.  They are too worried about being wrong about an issue at this early point and falling out of contention.  They are trying to jockey above each other in order to be in second position to Trump and then try to figure out a way to run against his policies. Right now they are too worried about having a slip-up.  So, they are just running with platitudes and generic ramblings.   If they can move up to second place, by letting the rest make mistakes, then they can run on anti-Trump rhetoric. Then whomever wins the Republican nomination will still not do an effective job of running against Biden.  They will try to run on anti-Biden policies. The only one that is trying to stand out at this point is Ramaswamy.  But that is due a lot to his background of not being a politician, not much unlike Trump. The Republicans always do a very poor job of running on the policies the people care about; instead they run on what they WANT them to care about.   This is a huge mistake.  They then have to hope enough folks do not like the Democratic candidate enough for them to win.  They never run with effective messaging on the correct policies. For example, this is a good quote about this: Meanwhile, the not-stupid -- but unfocused -- conservative Freedom Caucus is threatening to shut down the government unless they get concessions, primarily cuts in government spending. I have a secret for you, GOP: No one cares about government spending. I'm sure it's important, and there are probably a hundred Wall Street Journal articles explaining why, but not more than 1% of voters will ever reward you for cutting spending. Government spending is Republicans' "climate change." We've gotten frantic warnings that the world will end if we don't cut spending for the last 50 years -- exactly as long as we've been warned that the world will end if we don't cut carbon emissions. Year after year, we do nothing, and yet the world doesn't come remotely close to ending. I think this is a huge mistake the Republicans usually make.  This sort of thing does not resonate well enough with Republicans; it certainly does not bring in the Independent or flexible Democratic voter.

    People just don't understand how spending has ramped up (both on an absolute basis and w.r.t. GDP), particularly since COVID.   If Republicans did a better job of drawing a line from the mega spending to inflation, perhaps it would resonate better w/ the people.  Nobody likes inflation, but we have too many idiots out there that think "it just occurs out of nowhere."  No, it has its causes...   People just need to start paying attention, and Republicans need to do a better job of showing how the increased government spending leads to inflation, which leads to declining standards of living,....  particularly for the middle and lower-income Americans.   It's ironic this is the group that Democrats "claim" to care most about,... but are hurting the most w/ their policies. 

    Republicans need to run on "that" 

      

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    No, not at this time.  They are too worried about being wrong about an issue at this early point and falling out of contention.  They are trying to jockey above each other in order to be in second position to Trump and then try to figure out a way to run against his policies. Right now they are too worried about having a slip-up.  So, they are just running with platitudes and generic ramblings.   If they can move up to second place, by letting the rest make mistakes, then they can run on anti-Trump rhetoric. Then whomever wins the Republican nomination will still not do an effective job of running against Biden.  They will try to run on anti-Biden policies. The only one that is trying to stand out at this point is Ramaswamy.  But that is due a lot to his background of not being a politician, not much unlike Trump. The Republicans always do a very poor job of running on the policies the people care about; instead they run on what they WANT them to care about.   This is a huge mistake.  They then have to hope enough folks do not like the Democratic candidate enough for them to win.  They never run with effective messaging on the correct policies. For example, this is a good quote about this: Meanwhile, the not-stupid -- but unfocused -- conservative Freedom Caucus is threatening to shut down the government unless they get concessions, primarily cuts in government spending. I have a secret for you, GOP: No one cares about government spending. I'm sure it's important, and there are probably a hundred Wall Street Journal articles explaining why, but not more than 1% of voters will ever reward you for cutting spending. Government spending is Republicans' "climate change." We've gotten frantic warnings that the world will end if we don't cut spending for the last 50 years -- exactly as long as we've been warned that the world will end if we don't cut carbon emissions. Year after year, we do nothing, and yet the world doesn't come remotely close to ending. I think this is a huge mistake the Republicans usually make.  This sort of thing does not resonate well enough with Republicans; it certainly does not bring in the Independent or flexible Democratic voter.

    People just don't understand how spending has ramped up (both on an absolute basis and w.r.t. GDP), particularly since COVID.   If Republicans did a better job of drawing a line from the mega spending to inflation, perhaps it would resonate better w/ the people.  Nobody likes inflation, but we have too many idiots out there that think "it just occurs out of nowhere."  No, it has its causes...   People just need to start paying attention, and Republicans need to do a better job of showing how the increased government spending leads to inflation, which leads to declining standards of living,....  particularly for the middle and lower-income Americans.   It's ironic this is the group that Democrats "claim" to care most about,... but are hurting the most w/ their policies. 

    Republicans need to run on "that" 

      

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 5:09 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets: Are there currently any Republican presidential candidates that are running on policy?   Or is it all Hunter Biden & His lap top, or what the republicans clown show feel his compensation for services should be ?  5 years and all they have is Trumps appointed prosecutor getting stabbed in the back over politics! @joe pockets Will Hurd, Asa Hutchinson.   Don't know if either will make the next debate stage but I believe they are like Christie and trying to put out an actual platform with some traditional GOP policy talking points at least.  Maybe Nikki Haley too.  But I agree with you that the public perception certainly doesn't seem to reflect this.

    @fubah2

    true   peace_5   though none of that matters      the fascist magas want a fascist RICO crime boss &sexoffender  for their leader  ,and donnie chump is the only one that fits the mold        so they will nominate him an_2drinks prolly even if convicted on the first few of his court cases   but a chump nomination is exactly what the partisan left is hoping &praying for  since it will all but surely guarantee  the dems keep the whitehouse !!! an_cheers

     

    an_woo  donnie chump sexoffender for gop nomination !    please !! an_boggienight

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets: Are there currently any Republican presidential candidates that are running on policy?   Or is it all Hunter Biden & His lap top, or what the republicans clown show feel his compensation for services should be ?  5 years and all they have is Trumps appointed prosecutor getting stabbed in the back over politics! @joe pockets Will Hurd, Asa Hutchinson.   Don't know if either will make the next debate stage but I believe they are like Christie and trying to put out an actual platform with some traditional GOP policy talking points at least.  Maybe Nikki Haley too.  But I agree with you that the public perception certainly doesn't seem to reflect this.

    @fubah2

    true   peace_5   though none of that matters      the fascist magas want a fascist RICO crime boss &sexoffender  for their leader  ,and donnie chump is the only one that fits the mold        so they will nominate him an_2drinks prolly even if convicted on the first few of his court cases   but a chump nomination is exactly what the partisan left is hoping &praying for  since it will all but surely guarantee  the dems keep the whitehouse !!! an_cheers

     

    an_woo  donnie chump sexoffender for gop nomination !    please !! an_boggienight

     

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2023 - 5:17 PM ET #7

    @KellyM_1964

     Trump's electability depends a lot on where  the economy  goes from here..  Trump gets high marks for his ability to handle the economy, whereas Joe's ratings on his ability to handle the economy is in the shitter... 

    You follow the markets, .... you see what's going on and where interest rates are going..  They will stay higher for longer..  People will reach their breaking point and borrowing capacity sooner or later, likely in 2024, just in time for the election.  

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     Trump's electability depends a lot on where  the economy  goes from here..  Trump gets high marks for his ability to handle the economy, whereas Joe's ratings on his ability to handle the economy is in the shitter... 

    You follow the markets, .... you see what's going on and where interest rates are going..  They will stay higher for longer..  People will reach their breaking point and borrowing capacity sooner or later, likely in 2024, just in time for the election.  

     
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     People just need to start paying attention, and Republicans need to do a better job of showing how the increased government spending leads to inflation, which leads to declining standards of living,....  particularly for the middle and lower-income Americans.   It's ironic this is the group that Democrats "claim" to care most about,... but are hurting the most w/ their policies. 

    This is tricky.  Most people think they are too busy to pay attention.  Some of them cannot draw conclusions for themselves, so rely on the wrong folks to give them information. 

    The issue is getting a message across to those people that your policies will work better for them AND why. 

    Then you have to do this in sound bites because people have such short attention spans. 

    It is so hard to to sway folks from their own, and other’s, presuppositions. 

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    @Rush51

     People just need to start paying attention, and Republicans need to do a better job of showing how the increased government spending leads to inflation, which leads to declining standards of living,....  particularly for the middle and lower-income Americans.   It's ironic this is the group that Democrats "claim" to care most about,... but are hurting the most w/ their policies. 

    This is tricky.  Most people think they are too busy to pay attention.  Some of them cannot draw conclusions for themselves, so rely on the wrong folks to give them information. 

    The issue is getting a message across to those people that your policies will work better for them AND why. 

    Then you have to do this in sound bites because people have such short attention spans. 

    It is so hard to to sway folks from their own, and other’s, presuppositions. 

     
     
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