Charlie Kirk - T & P thread

Broken minds 

Have some links to what you've heard?

@StumpTownStu

    if people dont want to actually look it up themselves its cause they dont give a $hit

So the answer is no. You could've said, "No, I don't have links supporting my claims." The emojis make it look like you're deflecting.

And correct, I don't care, but if I make a statement and someone asks for a link to support it, i'll drop a link. I think guys like you watch cut up snippets on social media so when challenged, you can't offer anything to support your claims. To be clear though, I don't care. I don't have much of an opinion, one way or another.

@Brooklyncapper

 Like if I google, "Charlie Kirk racist", I would get one or all of the same two or three very short snippets that have been circulated online. I'm looking for more context. Like someone that can say, "On episode x, at around minute y, he says so and so. This was the context."

Without that, you aren't saying much of anything. Liberals throw around "racist" like it's nothing. You should have something of substance if you choose to label a person in such a way.

@StumpTownStu

 #554

Notwithstanding if you go through the thread, I've posted about a dozen clips in direct opposition.

Like this great episode on how we have done a disservice financially to our youth.

https://youtu.be/G-4tNK6dfD4?si=qyoLn0o4vgtpKugB

A worthwhile thought and question.  The next major barometer will be midterms.

What moves the needle more for the 56%, (or 107.5 million) Independent voters like myself:

Charlie Kirks assassination 

Or 

Jimmy Kimmels suspension

If a party's rhetoric and disdain for anyone who doesn't agree with them couples their dreadful polling data on key issues historical mid term results may yield substantial crying in the forum come 2026.

Time will tell but this affords an off ramp that has been hesitantly explored at their detriment.

I love their logical thinking - that they think any thinking humanbeing will find it more likely 1) Kirk stopped a bullet from a gun that normally would blow your head right off - in one of the softest spots on a human body and he is the second coming of Jesus :) - 2) than they have lied about this entire murder case - I know where my money is if we turn this into a betting opportunity on this site 

If anyone wants to bet me - I also accept I will also take whatever punishment God can have for me for doubting his “2nd son” ( and that will be me doubling down for free)

@Calde13

What exactly is the bet?  Your wording is slightly awkward.

You know that people have never been hunting, and no nothing about guns, when they say stuff like, "It would blow your head right off."

With all due respect, you don't know what you are talking about.

@unplucked_gem

 Perhaps, bet is against the lie that Charlie Kirk is the second coming of Jesus?  MAGA republicans are trying to promote Kirk as a martyr.

Very few animals are built like humans - just fyi - and you are free to find videos online where they test that gun on “human dolls” if you feel today is the day you want to learn something - there are literally 100s of videos of it  

I am sure you had some kind of idea what I meant - and if you have any interest in betting I am sure I can give it more effort to explain it better ! But if you just had to get off your chest my English is bad with no interest of betting - then great - message received and none on the receiving end cared for your message  

@Calde13

 First of all, they're called ballistic dummies. And I have watched thousands of videos of tests, of every round imaginable, in both ballistic gel and on dummies. You don't know more about this stuff than me. I have been a gun enthusiast and shooting since childhood and you have probably never fired one.

I have actually shot before (but sure - I know you know more about this than me - but that just makes it even weirder you don’t question their explanation - even though you are almost 100% also more religious than me) - how many times have you shot a 30-06 that didn’t leave an exit wound in your life - and the human head is pretty much only attached to your body because of your spine - and it would completely annilate that - which would pretty much mean your head would fall off - the human body is a billion times more fragile in certain places including the neck than any animal you have ever encountered

I find it hard to believe you have ever fired a weapon. Weren't you the same guy pushing the whole, "The bullet actually ricocheted off of a bulletproof vest" narrative just like a week ago. Yes or know? Were you not pushing that as I tried to explain why that couldn't be the case? You get stuff off social media and you run here with it.

I don't know why it's so difficult for people to just not speak on subjects they know nothing about. You know nothing about firearms. You clearly know nothing about anatomy. Your head isn't only attached to your body because of your spine. It's attached because of your spine, muscle, tendon, etc. Even with a direct hit at 150 yards, your head isn't just popping off. It would make a mess of things, sure, but this isn't a movie.

None of this is here nor there thought. The projectile never hits his spine. It looks like it grazes the side of his neck and takes a chunk out. A shot like that wouldn't leave an exit wound per se. Just one wound.

The only thing worst than internet conspiracy theorist are the pretentious myna birds who adamantly repeat their narratives.

I actually don’t care if you believe me that I have shot one or not ! I think you believe your approval of me is more important for me than it is ! - I still believe he had a bulletproof vest on if I am supposed to believe their story slightly - now the talk online is that the killer wasn’t the one they have framed - which changes the whole premise - because if we can’t believe them at all - everything is up for grasp again and every theory is then viable again !

@thirdperson

By the literal definition can one say he isn't a martyr?

Because notwithstanding any second coming discussion that I do not believe, as defined I would have to say he is a martyr.

Truly did, hence the request for clarification. 

I wasn't mocking or assigning value to your use of English.  Simply saying I gathered a proposed bet but due to the awkward sentence structure couldn't determine said bet.

Now, I do not wish to accept or decline any bet.

@Calde13

 Whether you have shot gun or not is neither here nor there, and I didn't mean to call you out like that. I respect your opinion on a lot of these. I just think you are far off on this. There are a lot of conspiracy theories floating around. It can't be avoided with s story like this. I am a skeptic by nature. However, somethings really are just what they are presented to be. You have people pushing theories online but those people are truly only concerned with building their online presence. They want clicks. They want monetization of their content. All these social media ballistics experts flapping gums, talking about what that round would and wouldn't do. We don't even know anything about the round besides it's caliber. That tells us a lot but not everything. Every round isn't the same.

I don't know any more about the specifics of this case than any other person on the internet but I do know this.

1) He wasn't wearing any type of body armor. You can see that clearly. He would have to be wearing Level III plates at a minimum but even if he was wearing Kevlar, you would see it through that this t-shirt.

2) 30-06 isn't just knocking a dude's head clean of his shoulders. Not at 150 yards. Not a 50 yards. It's not .50BMG or something. If he would've hit him square in the head, which is where I believe he was aiming, he definitely would be missing a large portion of his head,  but hitting him in the neck isn't taking his head off. And it's clear in the video that the projectile hits him in the side of the neck. Not the spine.

But feel free to believe whatever Twitter theories you have come across.