Charlie Kirk - T & P thread

@DeezyAZ81

 No where did I say the shooter was left leaning. I said he was a member of the LGBTQ+ community.

What do you mean ? US news is world news - at least when US is run like a fucking circus like it is now ? You guys have been the world leading force for 80 years - don’t you think your demise would be broadcasted world wide or what ? Don’t you think stuff you do affects everyone on planet earth? Why do you think suddenly every person on earth has an opinion how US is run ? Have you been on the internet recently ?

We don’t hear much about “normal” shootings over there - but consider yourself lucky they give air time to a shooting your government apparently will use as an excuse for marital law and maybe a civil war down the line

Not necessarily you but all of the other right wingers in this thread and the entire American right community sure is. Robinson right after killing Charlie Kirk to his trans woman lover roommmate who radicalized him, "My dad has really been hardcore maga since the election."  This $hit is not real life. Not even semi believable, even for a 22 year old. 

Now you’re getting into falsified evidence then. Now we're getting into the realm of conspiracy.

You're addicted to the soap opera. You think it's real life. Tou think it's necessary for you to along. It’s not. I don't watch the soap opera. I haven't for quite some time. And i'm no less informed because of it.

@ABooksNightmare

 reach much?

@StumpTownStu]Q You're addicted to the soap opera. You think it's real life. Tou think it's necessary for you to along. It’s not. I don't watch the soap opera. I haven't for quite some time. And i'm no less informed because of it.[/Quote]

Not at all. I think it is comical though. This is not even a well written piece of fiction. It's actually diabolical. Let's see what the trial looks like. Im expecting Stefano from Days of Our Lives to make an appearance. 

Christianity is like most other religions responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths through history ! And another religious point to this whole case not related to your answer  - I actually think Kirk would have been pretty upset by that Valhalla statement had he been alive - not only does it belong to a completely different religion - but there was also a lot of killing involved to make the Nordic countries convert to Christianity - and we burned down more churches and raped more Christian women than I care to count - so Nordic paganism (where Valhalla comes from are actually one of Christianities biggest opponents through history) 

@StumpTownStu

"Now you’re getting into falsified evidence then. Now we're getting into the realm of conspiracy."

Like the whole part about messages related to the grandfather's rifle and the grandfather calling the dad about seeing it on the news.

That'd be the most elaborate and transparent set up.  But hey this administration is wildly incompetent so anything is possible.

"If they are from Kash Patel, he probably wrote them himself."

Reach much?

This is the thing. The messages were released to the press, from law enforcement. This is the way info from active investigations gets out. Info regarding text messages usually come from phone dumps. So eitherthe shooter, and his roommate/lover had this text exchange as a diversion, or law enforcement is literally falsifying evidence. I have always been a "most likely scenario is probably correct" type of guy. If the text exchange was a diversion, from what. It doesn't help the killers case. It makes him sound callous. So what? Are we to believe law enforcement just made it up?

All this talk about reserved judgements. Waitng until the trial? When has that ever been the norm on this site? If the "groyper" narrative was true, if the hoops people were jumping through to link him to his family's conservative values actually panned out, would we be waiting until a trial to reserve judgenent? Probably not.

At the end of the day, I never made any of this a liberal vs conservative thing. I simply linked him to the LGBTQ+ community. People can make whatever political equivalencies from that they choose.

@StumpTownStu

At the end of the day, I never made any of this a liberal vs conservative thing.

Fact checked as true.

You're 100 % correct.  Whether he was killed by the right, the left, or the government it's abhorrent and should shock all consciences leaving little doubt that it's actions of an unwell person.

You legit can copy and paste the supposed Tyler Robinson and "roommate" text conversation into Grok AI and it reports them as likely fake based on available information and findings in the investigation that does not align with what is written. 

Honest question. How do you know the Discord and 4chan profiles aren't what's fake? I mean, if Steve Bannon and Candace Owens say it's all fake, I guess the discussion is over. 

@DeezyAZ81

 It's funny, first you said no reputable news sources were reporting any of this. Now essentially all news sources are reporting on this. Even the likes of CNN and BBC. Now you’re going with, "...but Candace Owens and Steve Bannon, and Grok AI say it's fake." Let me guess. Candace Owens thinks it's all a Mossad conspiracy, right?

I really don't give a shit one way or the other. The loss of life is tragic. The circumstances particularly heinous but i'm not a Charlie Kirk fan, and I have no real interest in this story other than talking about it with you guys. So i'm more than happy to wait and see. I just find it comical that many left leaning people have been jumping through hoops to have this kid be anything except someone resembling a liberal. And for the record, i'm not equating gay and liberal. I'm just amused by the defense being played.

I actually think it is the opposite story - Republicans doing everything they can to have him not being part of their core - haven’t they gone from: “He must be a democrat”, “Then at least he must have some kind of mental illness”, “Ok but then he is at least gay” - and how on earth should anyone believe someone that 24 hours before they even had a name on the killer (your government and FBI not you) had both the motive, his sexuality and his political views set in stone based on some grainy pictures/videos and bullshit quotes written on bullet cases - if they had worked professionally and waited saying stuff like that until after they had caught him and questioned him - I personally would have given them the benefit of the doubt and believed their story

@Calde13

 Very valid points. I think simply based on who Charlie Kirk was, conservatives everywhere immediately rushed to the "violent democrats" narrative, without anything being known about the shooter. Almost just as fast, though, you had democrats being like, "Well, it is conservative Utah." Then when info started to trickle out, it was, "Well, he was raised in a conservative household. Well, he's actually a groyper." I had never heard the term,then all of a sudden, on Friday, my wife mentions it, then one of the bros here mentions it. The reality is, people don't actually care. Both sides are always looking for the next political chip to ante up. The next game piece to play. It's all a soap opera.

Certainly not going to start a poll but in the thread I'm setting the over / under on total arrests at 1.5.

I'll be taking the over.

My tin foil hat remains locked in the trunk of the car, but the more that comes out Im getting closer to finding the keys.

Political violence is made more likely by weak gun laws. Harder for police to secure public areas when more people are allowed to carry guns around.

I suppose you'd have to blame the founding forefathers for establishing the right to bear arms then. Can't believe those bastards could not have seen all this gun violence taking place in the future. Complete imbeciles.... 

So like military functions or bases are a no go?  Lot's and Lot's of guns there.

@ABooksNightmare

 Telling other people to not judge makes you the person doing the judging. Christians like the title but fail to actually BE Christian. Christ does not care the sexual identity or the flaws of the individual, he loved everyone and refused none. Talk about the opposite of fake practicing Christians and Kirk himself. Christ called people that stood on pedestals as fake and false prophets, there is no place in Christianity for those who are condemning or preaching about what someone should or should not do, telling someone they are going to some fire and brimstone place that a few deathbed words can change...that is nonsense. Kirk was not a Christian in his actions or his words, people need to admire those who do good deeds and say NO words, that is the way Christ taught.

Supposed Tyler Robinson text message, "My love, I was going to take this killing to the grave, but look under my keyboard for a note I've left detailing my plans to take Charlie Kirk out!" I am also going to highlight every step I took and my weapon of my choice in a text message to you after I committed the crime and am currently on the run. I am also going to misquote my own meme in this text my claiming uWu instead of OwO. Please delete this exchange, there are feds lingering. 

You right wing MAGA nuts believe anything presented to you as long as it aligns with your feelings and narratives. Hilarious that anyone believes this and MAGA Utah authorities actually presented this as possible evidence. Zero possibility this is ever authenticated, even if it submitted for evidence at trial (it won't be). Good luck finding a juror that has not heard this fictional text exchange with the name "roommate" as Robinsons lover. Too funny.