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    What does Deep Stack or Freeze Out mean...

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    Posted: May. 26, 2009 - 7:56 PM ET #1

    ...in regards to tournament play?  I've always played cash games, but just started getting interested in tournament play.  I've seen these terms for various tournaments and don't know what they mean.  For example, here is description of a specific tournament:
     
    $2000 guarantee.  $50 Deep Stack Tournament.  Starting chips $5000.  Freeze Out.
     
    What does this translate to?  Thanks in advance.
     
     
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    ...in regards to tournament play?  I've always played cash games, but just started getting interested in tournament play.  I've seen these terms for various tournaments and don't know what they mean.  For example, here is description of a specific tournament:
     
    $2000 guarantee.  $50 Deep Stack Tournament.  Starting chips $5000.  Freeze Out.
     
    What does this translate to?  Thanks in advance.
     
     
     
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    Posted: May. 26, 2009 - 8:35 PM ET #2

    Deep stack means you will be given more starting chips to start the tournament.  For example if the blinds start at 25-50 you might start with 1500 in chips, a deepstack version might start you out with 10,000 in chips.  A freeze out is the term for the most common type of tournament meaning tables are combined as people are eliminated.(opposite of a shootout)
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    Deep stack means you will be given more starting chips to start the tournament.  For example if the blinds start at 25-50 you might start with 1500 in chips, a deepstack version might start you out with 10,000 in chips.  A freeze out is the term for the most common type of tournament meaning tables are combined as people are eliminated.(opposite of a shootout)
     
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    Posted: May. 26, 2009 - 11:39 PM ET #3

    So I guess that means, in a shootout, you have to win your table to advance? 
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    So I guess that means, in a shootout, you have to win your table to advance? 
     
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    A Freezeout is simple....it means when you lose all your chips you are done.
     
    Every tournament is either a Freezeout or a Rebuy (where you can buy more chips when you go broke).
     
     
    A shootout is a multi table tourney were you have to win each table to advance.
     
    Let's say it's a 100 person double-shootout.
     
    10 players each table = 1 winner from each
     
    Then those 10 Play the "Final Table" for the payouts.
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    A Freezeout is simple....it means when you lose all your chips you are done.
     
    Every tournament is either a Freezeout or a Rebuy (where you can buy more chips when you go broke).
     
     
    A shootout is a multi table tourney were you have to win each table to advance.
     
    Let's say it's a 100 person double-shootout.
     
    10 players each table = 1 winner from each
     
    Then those 10 Play the "Final Table" for the payouts.
     
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    Posted: May. 27, 2009 - 2:50 PM ET #5

    and a Freezeout is not the opposite of a Shootout
     
    One has nothing to do with the other.
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    and a Freezeout is not the opposite of a Shootout
     
    One has nothing to do with the other.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weathered:

    and a Freezeout is not the opposite of a Shootout
     
    One has nothing to do with the other.
    I just meant freeze out you continuously combine the tables and a shootout you dont.   hmmmm   it kind of sounds like opposittes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weathered:

    and a Freezeout is not the opposite of a Shootout
     
    One has nothing to do with the other.
    I just meant freeze out you continuously combine the tables and a shootout you dont.   hmmmm   it kind of sounds like opposittes.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasMaxx:

    I just meant freeze out you continuously combine the tables and a shootout you dont.   hmmmm   it kind of sounds like opposittes.

    A Shootout is a 100% completely different form of Tournament Poker.

    In every Tournament you combine tables as you go along....even rebuys end after a given amount of time.

    If you dont combine tables how the hell will you ever finish a tournament?

     

    Explain to me how you dont combine tables in a shootout??

    This I gotta hear.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasMaxx:

    I just meant freeze out you continuously combine the tables and a shootout you dont.   hmmmm   it kind of sounds like opposittes.

    A Shootout is a 100% completely different form of Tournament Poker.

    In every Tournament you combine tables as you go along....even rebuys end after a given amount of time.

    If you dont combine tables how the hell will you ever finish a tournament?

     

    Explain to me how you dont combine tables in a shootout??

    This I gotta hear.....

     
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    Posted: May. 27, 2009 - 7:40 PM ET #8

    In a multi-table tournament (MTT), players start with an equal, fixed number of chips. Players at numerous tables compete for one another's chips as the blinds and/or antes increase incrementally. When you run out of chips, you are eliminated from the tournament. As players are eliminated, tables are ‘broken’, meaning players are moved to keep tables full, or evenly ‘balanced’. Eventually, the last few surviving players with chips are brought together at the final table, where the winner is the individual who wins all the chips from his or her opponents. Cash prizes are awarded to top finishers on the basis of number of tournament entries.
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    In a multi-table tournament (MTT), players start with an equal, fixed number of chips. Players at numerous tables compete for one another's chips as the blinds and/or antes increase incrementally. When you run out of chips, you are eliminated from the tournament. As players are eliminated, tables are ‘broken’, meaning players are moved to keep tables full, or evenly ‘balanced’. Eventually, the last few surviving players with chips are brought together at the final table, where the winner is the individual who wins all the chips from his or her opponents. Cash prizes are awarded to top finishers on the basis of number of tournament entries.
     
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    A shootout is a special kind of multi-table tournament. Normally, when you play in a multi-table tournament, players are moved from table to table to balance the number of players at each table. Eventually, the last remaining players end up at the ‘final table.’ In a shootout, no such table balancing is done. You remain at your original table until only one player is left standing. If you win that table, you advance to another table and repeat the process against players who each won their first table.

    In a DOUBLE SHOOTOUT, you need to win two tables to win the event, although often there is some money for everybody who reaches the final table. Each starting table is played to its conclusion; the final table is formed of the winners of the first round matches. For example, a full Stud Double Shootout might start with 8 full tables, a total of 64 players, in Round 1.  Each of those 8 tables would play down to one winner, and the 8 winners would then be brought to a second table for Round 2, where they would play until there is one winner.

    In a TRIPLE SHOOTOUT, you must win three tables to win the entire event (again, there may well be some prize money distributed along the way). For example, assuming a standard (9 players per table) triple shootout is full, in Round 1 the 729 players will be placed, 9 per table, at 81 tables within the tournament. Each table will play until there is one player remaining with all of the chips from that table. The 81 remaining players will then be moved to 9 tables for Round 2. As in Round 1, each table will play until one player has all of the chips from their table. Finally, the 9 remaining players will advance to the final table for Round 3, where the Champion of the tournament shall be determined.

    Note that this whole process could be extended to quadruple shootouts and on up. Also, the tables don't necessarily have to start at nine players each. For instance, in the past we have offered triple shootouts with four-player tables (a total of 64 players in each event).  Also note that if a shootout is not filled to capacity when it begins, some of the tables in Round 1 could have more players than others.  Late registration is not available in shootout tournaments.

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    A shootout is a special kind of multi-table tournament. Normally, when you play in a multi-table tournament, players are moved from table to table to balance the number of players at each table. Eventually, the last remaining players end up at the ‘final table.’ In a shootout, no such table balancing is done. You remain at your original table until only one player is left standing. If you win that table, you advance to another table and repeat the process against players who each won their first table.

    In a DOUBLE SHOOTOUT, you need to win two tables to win the event, although often there is some money for everybody who reaches the final table. Each starting table is played to its conclusion; the final table is formed of the winners of the first round matches. For example, a full Stud Double Shootout might start with 8 full tables, a total of 64 players, in Round 1.  Each of those 8 tables would play down to one winner, and the 8 winners would then be brought to a second table for Round 2, where they would play until there is one winner.

    In a TRIPLE SHOOTOUT, you must win three tables to win the entire event (again, there may well be some prize money distributed along the way). For example, assuming a standard (9 players per table) triple shootout is full, in Round 1 the 729 players will be placed, 9 per table, at 81 tables within the tournament. Each table will play until there is one player remaining with all of the chips from that table. The 81 remaining players will then be moved to 9 tables for Round 2. As in Round 1, each table will play until one player has all of the chips from their table. Finally, the 9 remaining players will advance to the final table for Round 3, where the Champion of the tournament shall be determined.

    Note that this whole process could be extended to quadruple shootouts and on up. Also, the tables don't necessarily have to start at nine players each. For instance, in the past we have offered triple shootouts with four-player tables (a total of 64 players in each event).  Also note that if a shootout is not filled to capacity when it begins, some of the tables in Round 1 could have more players than others.  Late registration is not available in shootout tournaments.

     
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    Posted: May. 27, 2009 - 7:42 PM ET #10

    That is taken right from the Stars website....
     
     
    So there you go....
     
     
    'nuff said
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    That is taken right from the Stars website....
     
     
    So there you go....
     
     
    'nuff said
     
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    Posted: May. 27, 2009 - 7:44 PM ET #11

    It's just a different way of combining the tables thats all.
     
    You still combine tables in a Shootout.....it's just different.
     
     
    OK i am done now.
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    It's just a different way of combining the tables thats all.
     
    You still combine tables in a Shootout.....it's just different.
     
     
    OK i am done now.
     
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    Posted: May. 27, 2009 - 8:32 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by Weathered:

    A Shootout is a 100% completely different form of Tournament Poker.

    In every Tournament you combine tables as you go along....even rebuys end after a given amount of time.

    If you dont combine tables how the hell will you ever finish a tournament?

     

    Explain to me how you dont combine tables in a shootout??

    This I gotta hear.....

    Where did I say you dont combine the tables?  I used the words continuously combine for a freeze out which is correct.   Relax man.  I used the word opposite because for me it feels that way when you just have to win your table and have to be a very good short handed and heads up player as opposed to a freeze out where 99% of the time you are playing at a full table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weathered:

    A Shootout is a 100% completely different form of Tournament Poker.

    In every Tournament you combine tables as you go along....even rebuys end after a given amount of time.

    If you dont combine tables how the hell will you ever finish a tournament?

     

    Explain to me how you dont combine tables in a shootout??

    This I gotta hear.....

    Where did I say you dont combine the tables?  I used the words continuously combine for a freeze out which is correct.   Relax man.  I used the word opposite because for me it feels that way when you just have to win your table and have to be a very good short handed and heads up player as opposed to a freeze out where 99% of the time you are playing at a full table.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasMaxx:

    Where did I say you dont combine the tables?  I used the words continuously combine for a freeze out which is correct.   Relax man.  I used the word opposite because for me it feels that way when you just have to win your table and have to be a very good short handed and heads up player as opposed to a freeze out where 99% of the time you are playing at a full table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasMaxx:

    Where did I say you dont combine the tables?  I used the words continuously combine for a freeze out which is correct.   Relax man.  I used the word opposite because for me it feels that way when you just have to win your table and have to be a very good short handed and heads up player as opposed to a freeze out where 99% of the time you are playing at a full table.

     
     
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    Posted: May. 27, 2009 - 9:29 PM ET #14

    Thanks guys.
     
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