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    GameHunter
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 2:11 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Because the larger offshore accounts take so much handle (action), that I don't see 3k as being enough to move the number.

    You know I am not one to jump to Van's defense, but I have to agree with his point that 3 dimes easily moves a first half bet at major books. There is not a lot of liquidity in the first 5 inning pools and a 3 dime bet is enough to raise it a few cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Because the larger offshore accounts take so much handle (action), that I don't see 3k as being enough to move the number.

    You know I am not one to jump to Van's defense, but I have to agree with his point that 3 dimes easily moves a first half bet at major books. There is not a lot of liquidity in the first 5 inning pools and a 3 dime bet is enough to raise it a few cents.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 2:16 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Coming from someone who never bet a limit 3k bet on a 1st half total.

    I guarantee you - GUARANFUCKINGTEE YOU - that 3 dimes on a first half total moves the line 5 cents before 2 hours before gametime at Pinnacle.

    Van with all respect several years ago when my business was booming I bet anywhere from 2K TO 4K on almost every game on the board during Base Ball season at either WWTS or Bet Cris and sometimes a 2k bet on the total would move the line 3 to 5 cents, however sometimes 2 minutes later 10 guys might be making a nickel play the other way and the line might swing across from where it started from remember there is probably 45k average pre side on a BB reg season game at a book the size of pinny so 3k may move the line for a short time but have very little effect on the final outcome of the line.  Back in my hayday a 6k wager at WWTS or BetCris would sometimes hardly move the line a cent or two.  WHat actually happens is there is a slide scale for moving a line and base on which way it is getting overloaded has a big effect on what a perticular 2k bet will do at any given time.  Hope this helps.  I had a freind who was secong in command at the Stadust SB (now closed but was the most respected Sb on the strip) in Vegas for years and he explained how all this worked.  Some of the offshore line managers are from the old school that says " I don't give a shit how overloaded one side becomes we aint moving shit".

    Keep in mind that moving a line in any sport other than Base Ball opens up a window to possibly get middled and that is the worst thing ever for a book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Coming from someone who never bet a limit 3k bet on a 1st half total.

    I guarantee you - GUARANFUCKINGTEE YOU - that 3 dimes on a first half total moves the line 5 cents before 2 hours before gametime at Pinnacle.

    Van with all respect several years ago when my business was booming I bet anywhere from 2K TO 4K on almost every game on the board during Base Ball season at either WWTS or Bet Cris and sometimes a 2k bet on the total would move the line 3 to 5 cents, however sometimes 2 minutes later 10 guys might be making a nickel play the other way and the line might swing across from where it started from remember there is probably 45k average pre side on a BB reg season game at a book the size of pinny so 3k may move the line for a short time but have very little effect on the final outcome of the line.  Back in my hayday a 6k wager at WWTS or BetCris would sometimes hardly move the line a cent or two.  WHat actually happens is there is a slide scale for moving a line and base on which way it is getting overloaded has a big effect on what a perticular 2k bet will do at any given time.  Hope this helps.  I had a freind who was secong in command at the Stadust SB (now closed but was the most respected Sb on the strip) in Vegas for years and he explained how all this worked.  Some of the offshore line managers are from the old school that says " I don't give a shit how overloaded one side becomes we aint moving shit".

    Keep in mind that moving a line in any sport other than Base Ball opens up a window to possibly get middled and that is the worst thing ever for a book.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 2:59 PM ET #28

    I was talking about 3k on a 1st half line at Pinnacle.
     
    That is their limit on this bet, and you bet your ass the line moves.
     
    Its great that everyone has speculation about this and that, but I can tell you from experience, 3k moves a 1st half total in MLB.
     
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    I was talking about 3k on a 1st half line at Pinnacle.
     
    That is their limit on this bet, and you bet your ass the line moves.
     
    Its great that everyone has speculation about this and that, but I can tell you from experience, 3k moves a 1st half total in MLB.
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 4:40 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by GameHunter:

    I am only playing $750-1000 on my first 5 inning totals.

    Ask BrendanB to cut and paste his explanations on the 3 ways Americans can play at Pinny. He has explained it countless times.

    so of course, there is no way to track your winnings / losses

     

    sometimes a 1 unit bet is 750, and sometimes 1000

     

    Let me guess

    $750 - losers
    $1000 - winners

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by GameHunter:

    I am only playing $750-1000 on my first 5 inning totals.

    Ask BrendanB to cut and paste his explanations on the 3 ways Americans can play at Pinny. He has explained it countless times.

    so of course, there is no way to track your winnings / losses

     

    sometimes a 1 unit bet is 750, and sometimes 1000

     

    Let me guess

    $750 - losers
    $1000 - winners

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 5:07 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by 69_Amazin_Mets:

    so of course, there is no way to track your winnings / losses

     

    sometimes a 1 unit bet is 750, and sometimes 1000

     

    Let me guess

    $750 - losers
    $1000 - winners

     

    Actually, it would seem to me by looking at his plays for first 5 innings, $750 would be the 0.75 unit plays and the 1 unit plays would be $1000, just like the others.  But I am not suprised that you are trying to make a big deal out of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69_Amazin_Mets:

    so of course, there is no way to track your winnings / losses

     

    sometimes a 1 unit bet is 750, and sometimes 1000

     

    Let me guess

    $750 - losers
    $1000 - winners

     

    Actually, it would seem to me by looking at his plays for first 5 innings, $750 would be the 0.75 unit plays and the 1 unit plays would be $1000, just like the others.  But I am not suprised that you are trying to make a big deal out of this.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 5:16 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

     

    I would be very shocked if a 3k bet moved a line at any of the major sports books.



    I just put $1900 on STL at -125, went to -127 after i refreshed it on betjamaica.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

     

    I would be very shocked if a 3k bet moved a line at any of the major sports books.



    I just put $1900 on STL at -125, went to -127 after i refreshed it on betjamaica.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 5:19 PM ET #32

    Interesting topics today.  hope everyone is on the same boat.  no haterz pls.
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    Interesting topics today.  hope everyone is on the same boat.  no haterz pls.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 5:21 PM ET #33

    Yeah, no haterzzzzz and no getting O-W-N-E-D
     
    I think we are all through that phase.
     
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    Yeah, no haterzzzzz and no getting O-W-N-E-D
     
    I think we are all through that phase.
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 5:24 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by 69_Amazin_Mets:

    so of course, there is no way to track your winnings / losses

     

    sometimes a 1 unit bet is 750, and sometimes 1000

     

    Let me guess

    $750 - losers
    $1000 - winners

     

    Everyone realizes waht a douchebag and stalker you are but even I was not clear on how stupid you are. A first grader could understand that 0.75 units means it's a $750 play and a 1.00 unit play is $1000. Guess that flew over your head!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69_Amazin_Mets:

    so of course, there is no way to track your winnings / losses

     

    sometimes a 1 unit bet is 750, and sometimes 1000

     

    Let me guess

    $750 - losers
    $1000 - winners

     

    Everyone realizes waht a douchebag and stalker you are but even I was not clear on how stupid you are. A first grader could understand that 0.75 units means it's a $750 play and a 1.00 unit play is $1000. Guess that flew over your head!

     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 5:27 PM ET #35

    You sure bet alot of money.
     
    You are my hero.
     
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    You sure bet alot of money.
     
    You are my hero.
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 5:28 PM ET #36

    A lot
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    A lot
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 5:28 PM ET #37

    Have you reached $1 Million in bets this baseball season?
     
    When you do, that is the day for F5 Appreciation day 2008
     
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    Have you reached $1 Million in bets this baseball season?
     
    When you do, that is the day for F5 Appreciation day 2008
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 5:29 PM ET #38

    I like to say alot.
     
    Piss on the English language, as dad would say.
     
     
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    I like to say alot.
     
    Piss on the English language, as dad would say.
     
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 5:40 PM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by Football_Expert:

    Have you reached $1 Million in bets this baseball season?
     
    When you do, that is the day for F5 Appreciation day 2008
     

    You have obsessed on this point about 100 times. It's not that hard to understand when you break it down and that doesn't mean there is high exposure. Again, I use the example of blackjack. If you sit down at a balckjack table with a bankroll of say $2000 and play $100 a hand and play 200 hands, does that mean your exposure is 200 times $100 which is $20,000 or is your exposure $2000 which is your bankroll? If my average play is $1350 and I make 500 plays (which is approximately where I am at right now), yes that means I have made plays with a total exposure of $675,000 but that doesn't mean I am exposed for anything even close to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Football_Expert:

    Have you reached $1 Million in bets this baseball season?
     
    When you do, that is the day for F5 Appreciation day 2008
     

    You have obsessed on this point about 100 times. It's not that hard to understand when you break it down and that doesn't mean there is high exposure. Again, I use the example of blackjack. If you sit down at a balckjack table with a bankroll of say $2000 and play $100 a hand and play 200 hands, does that mean your exposure is 200 times $100 which is $20,000 or is your exposure $2000 which is your bankroll? If my average play is $1350 and I make 500 plays (which is approximately where I am at right now), yes that means I have made plays with a total exposure of $675,000 but that doesn't mean I am exposed for anything even close to that.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 5:42 PM ET #40

    Quote Originally Posted by HotRoute:

    Actually, it would seem to me by looking at his plays for first 5 innings, $750 would be the 0.75 unit plays and the 1 unit plays would be $1000, just like the others.  But I am not suprised that you are trying to make a big deal out of this.

    wouldn't it have been much easier to tell Vanzack that an F5 "unit" is $1000.....The .75, 1 1.25 etc would then speak for itself

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotRoute:

    Actually, it would seem to me by looking at his plays for first 5 innings, $750 would be the 0.75 unit plays and the 1 unit plays would be $1000, just like the others.  But I am not suprised that you are trying to make a big deal out of this.

    wouldn't it have been much easier to tell Vanzack that an F5 "unit" is $1000.....The .75, 1 1.25 etc would then speak for itself

     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 5:42 PM ET #41

    I just want to know when you hit $1 Million bet.
     
    I didn't say anything about your exposure.
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    I just want to know when you hit $1 Million bet.
     
    I didn't say anything about your exposure.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 5:49 PM ET #42

    Quote Originally Posted by 69_Amazin_Mets:

    wouldn't it have been much easier to tell Vanzack that an F5 "unit" is $1000.....The .75, 1 1.25 etc would then speak for itself

    Please don't put yourself in the same category as Vanzack when it comes to intelligence. Trust me, he and most people here are light years ahead of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69_Amazin_Mets:

    wouldn't it have been much easier to tell Vanzack that an F5 "unit" is $1000.....The .75, 1 1.25 etc would then speak for itself

    Please don't put yourself in the same category as Vanzack when it comes to intelligence. Trust me, he and most people here are light years ahead of you.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 5:50 PM ET #43

    I don't know if there is anyone more annoying than you FE.. Fuck off with your shit.  Oh wait this asshole 69 is even worse.
     
    Bunch of Stalker dickheads. 
     
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    I don't know if there is anyone more annoying than you FE.. Fuck off with your shit.  Oh wait this asshole 69 is even worse.
     
    Bunch of Stalker dickheads. 
     
     
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    I don't know if there is anyone more annoying than you FE
     
    Garth, you have obviously never met The Giant.
     
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    I don't know if there is anyone more annoying than you FE
     
    Garth, you have obviously never met The Giant.
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 5:56 PM ET #45

    Maybe while you're at it you can also explain why you....

    1] Made a 1500 bet on an added NCAA basketball game even though no shop on the internet will take that much action in one bet

    and

    2] Why the line failed to move even .01 on the juice, even though this bet was supposedly placed before noon when there was no liquidity in the market.


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    Maybe while you're at it you can also explain why you....

    1] Made a 1500 bet on an added NCAA basketball game even though no shop on the internet will take that much action in one bet

    and

    2] Why the line failed to move even .01 on the juice, even though this bet was supposedly placed before noon when there was no liquidity in the market.


     
    Garthvader
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 5:59 PM ET #46

    HAH!  Fuck you actually made me laugh. 
     
    I have to say Good Comeback!  But I still hate this war you tools are waging.  I think GH is an intelligent poster and certainly brings value.
     
    You are focusing on the wrong things.  How much he bets, where he bets is his business.  None of yours.
     
    Isn't it YOUR plays that really matter?  Seriously what's the point?
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    HAH!  Fuck you actually made me laugh. 
     
    I have to say Good Comeback!  But I still hate this war you tools are waging.  I think GH is an intelligent poster and certainly brings value.
     
    You are focusing on the wrong things.  How much he bets, where he bets is his business.  None of yours.
     
    Isn't it YOUR plays that really matter?  Seriously what's the point?
     
    Football_Expert
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 5:59 PM ET #47

    F5 isn't a good at arguments.
     
    He's only an attorney.
     
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    F5 isn't a good at arguments.
     
    He's only an attorney.
     
     
    Football_Expert
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 6:01 PM ET #48

    Garth, I have no problem with you.
     
    F5 has many issues and many people have a problem with him.
     
    You can support him if you wish.
     
     
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    Garth, I have no problem with you.
     
    F5 has many issues and many people have a problem with him.
     
    You can support him if you wish.
     
     
     
    Garthvader
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 6:04 PM ET #49

    Seriously, I think it's only about 5-10 stalker/Penalty box Nation losers that have a problem.
     
    It's the same shit all the time from the same guys.   And the CaporDie SAF's all over the place.  It's becoming seriously boring.
     
    GL on your Oakland play.  I like it.
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    Seriously, I think it's only about 5-10 stalker/Penalty box Nation losers that have a problem.
     
    It's the same shit all the time from the same guys.   And the CaporDie SAF's all over the place.  It's becoming seriously boring.
     
    GL on your Oakland play.  I like it.
     
     
    Football_Expert
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2008 - 6:05 PM ET #50

    Baseball has been kicking me in the nuts over and over.

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    Baseball has been kicking me in the nuts over and over.

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