Because the larger offshore accounts take so much handle (action), that I don't see 3k as being enough to move the number.
You know I am not one to jump to Van's defense, but I have to agree with his point that 3 dimes easily moves a first half bet at major books. There is not a lot of liquidity in the first 5 inning pools and a 3 dime bet is enough to raise it a few cents.
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Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
Because the larger offshore accounts take so much handle (action), that I don't see 3k as being enough to move the number.
You know I am not one to jump to Van's defense, but I have to agree with his point that 3 dimes easily moves a first half bet at major books. There is not a lot of liquidity in the first 5 inning pools and a 3 dime bet is enough to raise it a few cents.
Coming from someone who never bet a limit 3k bet on a 1st half total.
I guarantee you - GUARANFUCKINGTEE YOU - that 3 dimes on a first half total moves the line 5 cents before 2 hours before gametime at Pinnacle.
Van with all respect several years ago when my business was booming I bet anywhere from 2K TO 4K on almost every game on the board during Base Ball season at either WWTS or Bet Cris and sometimes a 2k bet on the total would move the line 3 to 5 cents, however sometimes 2 minutes later 10 guys might be making a nickel play the other way and the line might swing across from where it started from remember there is probably 45k average pre side on a BB reg season game at a book the size of pinny so 3k may move the line for a short time but have very little effect on the final outcome of the line. Back in my hayday a 6k wager at WWTS or BetCris would sometimes hardly move the line a cent or two. WHat actually happens is there is a slide scale for moving a line and base on which way it is getting overloaded has a big effect on what a perticular 2k bet will do at any given time. Hope this helps. I had a freind who was secong in command at the Stadust SB (now closed but was the most respected Sb on the strip) in Vegas for years and he explained how all this worked. Some of the offshore line managers are from the old school that says " I don't give a shit how overloaded one side becomes we aint moving shit".
Keep in mind that moving a line in any sport other than Base Ball opens up a window to possibly get middled and that is the worst thing ever for a book.
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Coming from someone who never bet a limit 3k bet on a 1st half total.
I guarantee you - GUARANFUCKINGTEE YOU - that 3 dimes on a first half total moves the line 5 cents before 2 hours before gametime at Pinnacle.
Van with all respect several years ago when my business was booming I bet anywhere from 2K TO 4K on almost every game on the board during Base Ball season at either WWTS or Bet Cris and sometimes a 2k bet on the total would move the line 3 to 5 cents, however sometimes 2 minutes later 10 guys might be making a nickel play the other way and the line might swing across from where it started from remember there is probably 45k average pre side on a BB reg season game at a book the size of pinny so 3k may move the line for a short time but have very little effect on the final outcome of the line. Back in my hayday a 6k wager at WWTS or BetCris would sometimes hardly move the line a cent or two. WHat actually happens is there is a slide scale for moving a line and base on which way it is getting overloaded has a big effect on what a perticular 2k bet will do at any given time. Hope this helps. I had a freind who was secong in command at the Stadust SB (now closed but was the most respected Sb on the strip) in Vegas for years and he explained how all this worked. Some of the offshore line managers are from the old school that says " I don't give a shit how overloaded one side becomes we aint moving shit".
Keep in mind that moving a line in any sport other than Base Ball opens up a window to possibly get middled and that is the worst thing ever for a book.
so of course, there is no way to track your winnings / losses
sometimes a 1 unit bet is 750, and sometimes 1000
Let me guess
$750 - losers $1000 - winners
Actually, it would seem to me by looking at his plays for first 5 innings, $750 would be the 0.75 unit plays and the 1 unit plays would be $1000, just like the others. But I am not suprised that you are trying to make a big deal out of this.
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Quote Originally Posted by 69_Amazin_Mets:
so of course, there is no way to track your winnings / losses
sometimes a 1 unit bet is 750, and sometimes 1000
Let me guess
$750 - losers $1000 - winners
Actually, it would seem to me by looking at his plays for first 5 innings, $750 would be the 0.75 unit plays and the 1 unit plays would be $1000, just like the others. But I am not suprised that you are trying to make a big deal out of this.
so of course, there is no way to track your winnings / losses
sometimes a 1 unit bet is 750, and sometimes 1000
Let me guess
$750 - losers $1000 - winners
Everyone realizes waht a douchebag and stalker you are but even I was not clear on how stupid you are. A first grader could understand that 0.75 units means it's a $750 play and a 1.00 unit play is $1000. Guess that flew over your head!
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Quote Originally Posted by 69_Amazin_Mets:
so of course, there is no way to track your winnings / losses
sometimes a 1 unit bet is 750, and sometimes 1000
Let me guess
$750 - losers $1000 - winners
Everyone realizes waht a douchebag and stalker you are but even I was not clear on how stupid you are. A first grader could understand that 0.75 units means it's a $750 play and a 1.00 unit play is $1000. Guess that flew over your head!
Have you reached $1 Million in bets this baseball season?
When you do, that is the day for F5 Appreciation day 2008
You have obsessed on this point about 100 times. It's not that hard to understand when you break it down and that doesn't mean there is high exposure. Again, I use the example of blackjack. If you sit down at a balckjack table with a bankroll of say $2000 and play $100 a hand and play 200 hands, does that mean your exposure is 200 times $100 which is $20,000 or is your exposure $2000 which is your bankroll? If my average play is $1350 and I make 500 plays (which is approximately where I am at right now), yes that means I have made plays with a total exposure of $675,000 but that doesn't mean I am exposed for anything even close to that.
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Quote Originally Posted by Football_Expert:
Have you reached $1 Million in bets this baseball season?
When you do, that is the day for F5 Appreciation day 2008
You have obsessed on this point about 100 times. It's not that hard to understand when you break it down and that doesn't mean there is high exposure. Again, I use the example of blackjack. If you sit down at a balckjack table with a bankroll of say $2000 and play $100 a hand and play 200 hands, does that mean your exposure is 200 times $100 which is $20,000 or is your exposure $2000 which is your bankroll? If my average play is $1350 and I make 500 plays (which is approximately where I am at right now), yes that means I have made plays with a total exposure of $675,000 but that doesn't mean I am exposed for anything even close to that.
Actually, it would seem to me by looking at his plays for first 5 innings, $750 would be the 0.75 unit plays and the 1 unit plays would be $1000, just like the others. But I am not suprised that you are trying to make a big deal out of this.
wouldn't it have been much easier to tell Vanzack that an F5 "unit" is $1000.....The .75, 1 1.25 etc would then speak for itself
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Quote Originally Posted by HotRoute:
Actually, it would seem to me by looking at his plays for first 5 innings, $750 would be the 0.75 unit plays and the 1 unit plays would be $1000, just like the others. But I am not suprised that you are trying to make a big deal out of this.
wouldn't it have been much easier to tell Vanzack that an F5 "unit" is $1000.....The .75, 1 1.25 etc would then speak for itself
wouldn't it have been much easier to tell Vanzack that an F5 "unit" is $1000.....The .75, 1 1.25 etc would then speak for itself
Please don't put yourself in the same category as Vanzack when it comes to intelligence. Trust me, he and most people here are light years ahead of you.
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Quote Originally Posted by 69_Amazin_Mets:
wouldn't it have been much easier to tell Vanzack that an F5 "unit" is $1000.....The .75, 1 1.25 etc would then speak for itself
Please don't put yourself in the same category as Vanzack when it comes to intelligence. Trust me, he and most people here are light years ahead of you.
Maybe while you're at it you can also explain why you....
1] Made a 1500 bet on an added NCAA basketball game even though no shop on the internet will take that much action in one bet
and
2] Why the line failed to move even .01 on the juice, even though this bet was supposedly placed before noon when there was no liquidity in the market.
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Maybe while you're at it you can also explain why you....
1] Made a 1500 bet on an added NCAA basketball game even though no shop on the internet will take that much action in one bet
and
2] Why the line failed to move even .01 on the juice, even though this bet was supposedly placed before noon when there was no liquidity in the market.
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