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    How on earth did the Stars get all those win ! I'm a rookie at this sport

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    joe pockets
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    Posted: Mar. 11, 2018 - 8:47 PM ET #1

    I realize that there goal is out but he stinks 2 as do the flames goalies this sport seems to be as unpredictable as nba in pickin A winner
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    I realize that there goal is out but he stinks 2 as do the flames goalies this sport seems to be as unpredictable as nba in pickin A winner
     
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    Posted: Mar. 11, 2018 - 8:49 PM ET #2

    The line looked as it was begging for Pitts money ?
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    The line looked as it was begging for Pitts money ?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 11, 2018 - 9:02 PM ET #3

    The nhl is not like NBA but more like NFL.  One league ensures the Patriots win and in hockey, its the Penguins.  I had a momentary lapse and it cost me.  Better luck next time
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    The nhl is not like NBA but more like NFL.  One league ensures the Patriots win and in hockey, its the Penguins.  I had a momentary lapse and it cost me.  Better luck next time
     
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    Posted: Mar. 11, 2018 - 9:20 PM ET #4

    Yeah, thank God the league “ensures” that the Pens win because with the talent they have, they’d never win a game. 

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    Yeah, thank God the league “ensures” that the Pens win because with the talent they have, they’d never win a game. 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 11, 2018 - 9:30 PM ET #5

    Just think, all the league help and they are not even in 1st place now
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    Just think, all the league help and they are not even in 1st place now
     
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    Posted: Mar. 11, 2018 - 9:45 PM ET #6

    LogCottage, I cant teach the blind. Go put in another play, as that's why you're here anyways.  I know everything.  It sounds pompous, but its not.  Its factual. Half the Penguins roster were acquired in nonsense trades or in a surprise lottery.  You don't believe it because, just like Lipps, youre ONE OF THOSE GUYS. 

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    LogCottage, I cant teach the blind. Go put in another play, as that's why you're here anyways.  I know everything.  It sounds pompous, but its not.  Its factual. Half the Penguins roster were acquired in nonsense trades or in a surprise lottery.  You don't believe it because, just like Lipps, youre ONE OF THOSE GUYS. 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 11, 2018 - 10:09 PM ET #7

    “I know everything”. You’re the only person I know who can claim that.
    You’re beyond pompous....
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    “I know everything”. You’re the only person I know who can claim that.
    You’re beyond pompous....
     
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    Posted: Mar. 11, 2018 - 10:49 PM ET #8

    REALLY surprising that the Stars with their lineup can NOT score for BEANS lately. more than 2 goals for in just 3 of their last 13 games
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    REALLY surprising that the Stars with their lineup can NOT score for BEANS lately. more than 2 goals for in just 3 of their last 13 games
     
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    Posted: Mar. 11, 2018 - 11:00 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by Dangerbay:

    LogCottage, I cant teach the blind. Go put in another play, as that's why you're here anyways.  I know everything.  It sounds pompous, but its not.  Its factual. Half the Penguins roster were acquired in nonsense trades or in a surprise lottery.  You don't believe it because, just like Lipps, youre ONE OF THOSE GUYS. 


    You are correct, I don't believe in foil hat conspiracy theorist of the league is all in on making sure the Pens win and no team from Canada will win another cup

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangerbay:

    LogCottage, I cant teach the blind. Go put in another play, as that's why you're here anyways.  I know everything.  It sounds pompous, but its not.  Its factual. Half the Penguins roster were acquired in nonsense trades or in a surprise lottery.  You don't believe it because, just like Lipps, youre ONE OF THOSE GUYS. 


    You are correct, I don't believe in foil hat conspiracy theorist of the league is all in on making sure the Pens win and no team from Canada will win another cup

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2018 - 1:09 AM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:

    The line looked as it was begging for Pitts money ?


    Pittsburgh helped me go 3-0 tonight joe pockets!  Pens back on top of Metropolitan Division...and have excellent  "home" record in the NHL!!!


    GL!  Welcome to NHL!           
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe pockets:

    The line looked as it was begging for Pitts money ?


    Pittsburgh helped me go 3-0 tonight joe pockets!  Pens back on top of Metropolitan Division...and have excellent  "home" record in the NHL!!!


    GL!  Welcome to NHL!           
     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2018 - 1:11 AM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:


    You are correct, I don't believe in foil hat conspiracy theorist of the league is all in on making sure the Pens win and no team from Canada will win another cup

    Foil hat theory. Some could say that about religion, yet there are billions of believers.  Just because YOU don't see something, does not mean it doesn't exist. 
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    You are correct, I don't believe in foil hat conspiracy theorist of the league is all in on making sure the Pens win and no team from Canada will win another cup

    Foil hat theory. Some could say that about religion, yet there are billions of believers.  Just because YOU don't see something, does not mean it doesn't exist. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2018 - 9:42 AM ET #12

    Or maybe your hatred for Gary, clouds your vision of any rational thinking at all. 

    Because of course Gary and all the owners want the Pens to win.  Yes why would an owner want his team to win when the Pens can.  If the league wanted anything fixed it would be the Rangers and Kings.  That would be a ratings cash bonanza for them. 
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    Or maybe your hatred for Gary, clouds your vision of any rational thinking at all. 

    Because of course Gary and all the owners want the Pens to win.  Yes why would an owner want his team to win when the Pens can.  If the league wanted anything fixed it would be the Rangers and Kings.  That would be a ratings cash bonanza for them. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2018 - 12:58 PM ET #13

    Lipps, you're a TOP mechanic at Ford making $50,000 a year.  Top GM mechanic makes $50,000 as well.  If your employer approached you and said "Were gonna reduce your salary to $30,000 so we can hire more mechanics to possibly reduce your workload. The chances of you agreeing is 0.  That is REAL WORLD

    Also, if you were going to start a team from scratch and I gave you 2 players to chose from 1) Sydney Crosby 2)Leon Draisiatl.  Who would you chose?

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    Lipps, you're a TOP mechanic at Ford making $50,000 a year.  Top GM mechanic makes $50,000 as well.  If your employer approached you and said "Were gonna reduce your salary to $30,000 so we can hire more mechanics to possibly reduce your workload. The chances of you agreeing is 0.  That is REAL WORLD

    Also, if you were going to start a team from scratch and I gave you 2 players to chose from 1) Sydney Crosby 2)Leon Draisiatl.  Who would you chose?

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2018 - 1:40 PM ET #14

    You can throw whatever crap against the wall, it won't change that the idea of the owners and commish, all getting together in cahoots to help the Pens to win is just insane. 

    They need to prop up this cash cow for a profit ? 

    Guess will just be on separate sides of the loony bin on this one. But I would love other posters input on this. 


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    You can throw whatever crap against the wall, it won't change that the idea of the owners and commish, all getting together in cahoots to help the Pens to win is just insane. 

    They need to prop up this cash cow for a profit ? 

    Guess will just be on separate sides of the loony bin on this one. But I would love other posters input on this. 


     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2018 - 1:51 PM ET #15

    Gary does seem to want to do more for American teams then Canadian teams but I don't think the leauge is fixed for Pittsburgh their just a good team. Also if he hated Canadian teams that much why would he give the leafs and jets the number 1 and 2 picks in the draft where they acquired mathews and lanie the jets got lucky to move up to second in the lottery there was no guarantee they would get second
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    Gary does seem to want to do more for American teams then Canadian teams but I don't think the leauge is fixed for Pittsburgh their just a good team. Also if he hated Canadian teams that much why would he give the leafs and jets the number 1 and 2 picks in the draft where they acquired mathews and lanie the jets got lucky to move up to second in the lottery there was no guarantee they would get second
     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2018 - 5:52 PM ET #16

    Sydney Crosby ..

    Art Ross trophy winner

    Hart Memorial trophy winner

    Lester B Pearson award winner

    Mark Messier Leadership Award Winner

    Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy winner

    Ted Lindsay Award winner

    Olympic Gold medalist

    Conn Smythe Trophy winner

    Jean Beliveau Award winner

    Stanley Cup winner

    Salary $8.5 million per year


    Leon Draisaitl    

    Salary $8.5 million

    Summary : Sydney Crosby enjoys giving to charity.  He takes $6,000,000 less than his value every year because he wants to win.  Now Pens multi million dollar owner/s can go out and buy more players, hoping they can win another cup.  This is fantasy people.  No one would do this. The media owned by the nhl talk like this is normal.  "take a hometown discount" Just like Stamkos.  No one in the ENTIRE world would decline $20million per year (and a contract for life) to stay and play in Tampa for $8 million.  Stamkos could've played 5 years in Toronto and earn $100,000,000 , retire and buy parts of Tampa.  PS Gino makes almost $10million per year lol.  The nhl.  Land of the unicorns



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    Sydney Crosby ..

    Art Ross trophy winner

    Hart Memorial trophy winner

    Lester B Pearson award winner

    Mark Messier Leadership Award Winner

    Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy winner

    Ted Lindsay Award winner

    Olympic Gold medalist

    Conn Smythe Trophy winner

    Jean Beliveau Award winner

    Stanley Cup winner

    Salary $8.5 million per year


    Leon Draisaitl    

    Salary $8.5 million

    Summary : Sydney Crosby enjoys giving to charity.  He takes $6,000,000 less than his value every year because he wants to win.  Now Pens multi million dollar owner/s can go out and buy more players, hoping they can win another cup.  This is fantasy people.  No one would do this. The media owned by the nhl talk like this is normal.  "take a hometown discount" Just like Stamkos.  No one in the ENTIRE world would decline $20million per year (and a contract for life) to stay and play in Tampa for $8 million.  Stamkos could've played 5 years in Toronto and earn $100,000,000 , retire and buy parts of Tampa.  PS Gino makes almost $10million per year lol.  The nhl.  Land of the unicorns



     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2018 - 5:54 PM ET #17

    If your boss asked ONLY you to take less "for the betterment" of the company, you would tell him/her to FAKK AFF.  Tell me im wrong
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    If your boss asked ONLY you to take less "for the betterment" of the company, you would tell him/her to FAKK AFF.  Tell me im wrong
     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2018 - 6:02 PM ET #18

    Crosby 12 yrs 104m 

    Draisaitl 8 yrs 68m 

    Crosby signed before the new collective bargaining agreement so comparing the two contracts is irrelevant. The cap was also more than 10m less when Crosby signed his 12 yr contract. 

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    Crosby 12 yrs 104m 

    Draisaitl 8 yrs 68m 

    Crosby signed before the new collective bargaining agreement so comparing the two contracts is irrelevant. The cap was also more than 10m less when Crosby signed his 12 yr contract. 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2018 - 6:13 PM ET #19

    Draisaitl signed his contract this season, Crosby 5 years ago...
    In 2013-14 season Crosby was the second highest paid player

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    Draisaitl signed his contract this season, Crosby 5 years ago...
    In 2013-14 season Crosby was the second highest paid player

     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2018 - 6:57 PM ET #20

    As someone that has been around and worked with professional athletes, I have learned a thing or two. DB, I appreciate your passion for the game and country, but I will tell you this. Top athletes like Crosby and Stamkos and others that I could mention, have different mind sets. They have reached a certain level and they truly want to play for one thing. A championship and not the money. Bettis did it for Steelers for a chance to win a championship, Tim Duncan did it for the Spurs, to sign other players for a chance at a trophy, LaBron did it, Tom Brady did it. Top athletes that have earned enough for life, give up some money for a chance to win championships. PGA golfers like Tiger and Phil don't give 2 shiits about the Valspar or Waste Management, they only care about the Majors. They use the others to get ready for majors. In my opinion when a high caliber athlete reaches financial wealth, they turn their attention to history and claiming titles. But you are correct, this is not the real world, sports today is not the real world but entertainment. Us real world folks would never consider it. 
    But hey, what the hell do I know. I am just stating my opinion.
     
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    As someone that has been around and worked with professional athletes, I have learned a thing or two. DB, I appreciate your passion for the game and country, but I will tell you this. Top athletes like Crosby and Stamkos and others that I could mention, have different mind sets. They have reached a certain level and they truly want to play for one thing. A championship and not the money. Bettis did it for Steelers for a chance to win a championship, Tim Duncan did it for the Spurs, to sign other players for a chance at a trophy, LaBron did it, Tom Brady did it. Top athletes that have earned enough for life, give up some money for a chance to win championships. PGA golfers like Tiger and Phil don't give 2 shiits about the Valspar or Waste Management, they only care about the Majors. They use the others to get ready for majors. In my opinion when a high caliber athlete reaches financial wealth, they turn their attention to history and claiming titles. But you are correct, this is not the real world, sports today is not the real world but entertainment. Us real world folks would never consider it. 
    But hey, what the hell do I know. I am just stating my opinion.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ramboo:

    Crosby 12 yrs 104m 

    Draisaitl 8 yrs 68m 

    Crosby signed before the new collective bargaining agreement so comparing the two contracts is irrelevant. The cap was also more than 10m less when Crosby signed his 12 yr contract. 

    Right.  And Gino signed his this year at 9.5. 
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    Crosby 12 yrs 104m 

    Draisaitl 8 yrs 68m 

    Crosby signed before the new collective bargaining agreement so comparing the two contracts is irrelevant. The cap was also more than 10m less when Crosby signed his 12 yr contract. 

    Right.  And Gino signed his this year at 9.5. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GASportsDoc:

    As someone that has been around and worked with professional athletes, I have learned a thing or two. DB, I appreciate your passion for the game and country, but I will tell you this. Top athletes like Crosby and Stamkos and others that I could mention, have different mind sets. They have reached a certain level and they truly want to play for one thing. A championship and not the money. Bettis did it for Steelers for a chance to win a championship, Tim Duncan did it for the Spurs, to sign other players for a chance at a trophy, LaBron did it, Tom Brady did it. Top athletes that have earned enough for life, give up some money for a chance to win championships. PGA golfers like Tiger and Phil don't give 2 shiits about the Valspar or Waste Management, they only care about the Majors. They use the others to get ready for majors. In my opinion when a high caliber athlete reaches financial wealth, they turn their attention to history and claiming titles. But you are correct, this is not the real world, sports today is not the real world but entertainment. Us real world folks would never consider it. 
    But hey, what the hell do I know. I am just stating my opinion.
     

    100% agree with this...Crosby is a different breed.  And from small town Nova Scotia where he could buy all of Cole Harbour if he wanted to, do you think he really cares if his net earnings at the end of his career are only 140mil instead of 160mil if he has 3 or more Cups in his trophy case?

    And I think DangerBay is also disregarding the fact that for a guy like Crosby, he probably makes double off the ice in endorsements than his playing salary.  You should probably factor that in to your hypothetical analysis of whether a guy would choose greed or winning.
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    As someone that has been around and worked with professional athletes, I have learned a thing or two. DB, I appreciate your passion for the game and country, but I will tell you this. Top athletes like Crosby and Stamkos and others that I could mention, have different mind sets. They have reached a certain level and they truly want to play for one thing. A championship and not the money. Bettis did it for Steelers for a chance to win a championship, Tim Duncan did it for the Spurs, to sign other players for a chance at a trophy, LaBron did it, Tom Brady did it. Top athletes that have earned enough for life, give up some money for a chance to win championships. PGA golfers like Tiger and Phil don't give 2 shiits about the Valspar or Waste Management, they only care about the Majors. They use the others to get ready for majors. In my opinion when a high caliber athlete reaches financial wealth, they turn their attention to history and claiming titles. But you are correct, this is not the real world, sports today is not the real world but entertainment. Us real world folks would never consider it. 
    But hey, what the hell do I know. I am just stating my opinion.
     

    100% agree with this...Crosby is a different breed.  And from small town Nova Scotia where he could buy all of Cole Harbour if he wanted to, do you think he really cares if his net earnings at the end of his career are only 140mil instead of 160mil if he has 3 or more Cups in his trophy case?

    And I think DangerBay is also disregarding the fact that for a guy like Crosby, he probably makes double off the ice in endorsements than his playing salary.  You should probably factor that in to your hypothetical analysis of whether a guy would choose greed or winning.
     
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    dcp....who choses less money?? What for? You wouldn't.  Ya Crosby's a special breed alright lol.  Hes a good lapdog
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    Quote Originally Posted by GASportsDoc:

    As someone that has been around and worked with professional athletes, I have learned a thing or two. DB, I appreciate your passion for the game and country, but I will tell you this. Top athletes like Crosby and Stamkos and others that I could mention, have different mind sets. They have reached a certain level and they truly want to play for one thing. A championship and not the money. Bettis did it for Steelers for a chance to win a championship, Tim Duncan did it for the Spurs, to sign other players for a chance at a trophy, LaBron did it, Tom Brady did it. Top athletes that have earned enough for life, give up some money for a chance to win championships. PGA golfers like Tiger and Phil don't give 2 shiits about the Valspar or Waste Management, they only care about the Majors. They use the others to get ready for majors. In my opinion when a high caliber athlete reaches financial wealth, they turn their attention to history and claiming titles. But you are correct, this is not the real world, sports today is not the real world but entertainment. Us real world folks would never consider it. 
    But hey, what the hell do I know. I am just stating my opinion.
     


    WELL stated, Doc. btw Tiger Woods the favorite this week @ Bay Hill, which I believe is his home course, after 2nd last week and T-12th the week before. his Masters futures have TANKED to 10-1
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    As someone that has been around and worked with professional athletes, I have learned a thing or two. DB, I appreciate your passion for the game and country, but I will tell you this. Top athletes like Crosby and Stamkos and others that I could mention, have different mind sets. They have reached a certain level and they truly want to play for one thing. A championship and not the money. Bettis did it for Steelers for a chance to win a championship, Tim Duncan did it for the Spurs, to sign other players for a chance at a trophy, LaBron did it, Tom Brady did it. Top athletes that have earned enough for life, give up some money for a chance to win championships. PGA golfers like Tiger and Phil don't give 2 shiits about the Valspar or Waste Management, they only care about the Majors. They use the others to get ready for majors. In my opinion when a high caliber athlete reaches financial wealth, they turn their attention to history and claiming titles. But you are correct, this is not the real world, sports today is not the real world but entertainment. Us real world folks would never consider it. 
    But hey, what the hell do I know. I am just stating my opinion.
     


    WELL stated, Doc. btw Tiger Woods the favorite this week @ Bay Hill, which I believe is his home course, after 2nd last week and T-12th the week before. his Masters futures have TANKED to 10-1
     
     
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    dcp....who choses less money?? What for? You wouldn't.  Ya Crosby's a special breed alright lol.  Hes a good lapdog

    who choses less money??  
    -someone who makes 20-30mil a year and doesn't need 1-2 mil extra.

    What for?
    -a better situation, better teammates, chance to win, legacy/greatness.

    You wouldn't.
    -I'm not in that situation to choose.

    You try to compare these guys to blue collar workers who make 50-60k a year...it makes no sense.  Guy who makes 60k a year takes 5k less he might not be able to afford his mortgage, feed his family, or take that vacation.  Guy who makes 20mil a year takes 2mil less his life doesn't change one bit.

    You can believe what you want to believe, but I'm not wrong.
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    dcp....who choses less money?? What for? You wouldn't.  Ya Crosby's a special breed alright lol.  Hes a good lapdog

    who choses less money??  
    -someone who makes 20-30mil a year and doesn't need 1-2 mil extra.

    What for?
    -a better situation, better teammates, chance to win, legacy/greatness.

    You wouldn't.
    -I'm not in that situation to choose.

    You try to compare these guys to blue collar workers who make 50-60k a year...it makes no sense.  Guy who makes 60k a year takes 5k less he might not be able to afford his mortgage, feed his family, or take that vacation.  Guy who makes 20mil a year takes 2mil less his life doesn't change one bit.

    You can believe what you want to believe, but I'm not wrong.
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