I was just looking at strength of schedule which seems like a relevant statistic to me this time of year. Denver had the 10th toughest schedule and Carolina had a much weaker 27th position.
All of that Carolina offense just doesn't seem so impressive to me now. Yeah, they are all pros but...
Anyone care so wade in on this subject?
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I was just looking at strength of schedule which seems like a relevant statistic to me this time of year. Denver had the 10th toughest schedule and Carolina had a much weaker 27th position.
All of that Carolina offense just doesn't seem so impressive to me now. Yeah, they are all pros but...
Look at DEN schedule and look at all the 4 teams they lost to and tell me what all those teams have in common? They all have mobile QBs- A Luck, A Smith, D Carr and you can say Rothlisberger is as well. If you think CAR offense is not impressive then I'm not sure we are watching the same games. CAR has the 2nd rated O-line and DEN will not be able to get to Cam as fast as they did to Brady, if at all.
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Look at DEN schedule and look at all the 4 teams they lost to and tell me what all those teams have in common? They all have mobile QBs- A Luck, A Smith, D Carr and you can say Rothlisberger is as well. If you think CAR offense is not impressive then I'm not sure we are watching the same games. CAR has the 2nd rated O-line and DEN will not be able to get to Cam as fast as they did to Brady, if at all.
Panthers team is a beast at home. Away from home, not so much. Their numbers on the road, while not pedestrian, have been far from spectacular. Them jumping out to 30-0 leads by halftime only happens in Carolina. They were held to 13 and lost against ATL for jebus sakes. Take a look. 14-10 halftime against Tennessee? I believe losing to that all start defensive team the Saints...something like 10-13 at halftime. Yes, I know the superbowl isn't a "road" game but it sure as heck ain't a home game. On the flip side, the Broncos have appeared to be the same team road and home. They are consistent.
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Panthers team is a beast at home. Away from home, not so much. Their numbers on the road, while not pedestrian, have been far from spectacular. Them jumping out to 30-0 leads by halftime only happens in Carolina. They were held to 13 and lost against ATL for jebus sakes. Take a look. 14-10 halftime against Tennessee? I believe losing to that all start defensive team the Saints...something like 10-13 at halftime. Yes, I know the superbowl isn't a "road" game but it sure as heck ain't a home game. On the flip side, the Broncos have appeared to be the same team road and home. They are consistent.
Come Super Bowl time SOS tends to be one of the most important predictors in uncovering who will win the game. Been tracking it a long time, and it is the primary basis for my Power Rankings.
In these playoffs, I was able to separate all teams into 3 different tiers.
In 10 games, the team from a lower tier beat a team from a higher tier only once (Patriots over Chiefs), and those two teams were separated by only a small margin, with the Pats playing at home.
All of the road teams that won in the playoffs were teams from higher tiers, having played tougher schedules (Seahawks, Packers, Chiefs), with the exception of the Steelers, who were playing against a team from the same tier, without their starting QB.
If you aren't paying attention to SOS, you are behind the 8-ball when it comes to figuring out who will win.
The Panthers and Broncos were both top tier teams this year, but their SOS puts the Broncos at the top of the list. You can say they don't belong their, but most people had counted them out of this year's run for the championship. They are battle-tested, in a big way.
The only thing that leads one to believe Carolina can step up is the fact that their two toughest opponents of the year (BY FAR) are the last two they have played.
Personally, I will always lean to the side of the team that has taken the tougher road; and historically, it has proven to be a successful predictor of who will win, more often than not!
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Come Super Bowl time SOS tends to be one of the most important predictors in uncovering who will win the game. Been tracking it a long time, and it is the primary basis for my Power Rankings.
In these playoffs, I was able to separate all teams into 3 different tiers.
In 10 games, the team from a lower tier beat a team from a higher tier only once (Patriots over Chiefs), and those two teams were separated by only a small margin, with the Pats playing at home.
All of the road teams that won in the playoffs were teams from higher tiers, having played tougher schedules (Seahawks, Packers, Chiefs), with the exception of the Steelers, who were playing against a team from the same tier, without their starting QB.
If you aren't paying attention to SOS, you are behind the 8-ball when it comes to figuring out who will win.
The Panthers and Broncos were both top tier teams this year, but their SOS puts the Broncos at the top of the list. You can say they don't belong their, but most people had counted them out of this year's run for the championship. They are battle-tested, in a big way.
The only thing that leads one to believe Carolina can step up is the fact that their two toughest opponents of the year (BY FAR) are the last two they have played.
Personally, I will always lean to the side of the team that has taken the tougher road; and historically, it has proven to be a successful predictor of who will win, more often than not!
Come Super Bowl time SOS tends to be one of the most important predictors in uncovering who will win the game. Been tracking it a long time, and it is the primary basis for my Power Rankings.
In these playoffs, I was able to separate all teams into 3 different tiers.
In 10 games, the team from a lower tier beat a team from a higher tier only once (Patriots over Chiefs), and those two teams were separated by only a small margin, with the Pats playing at home.
All of the road teams that won in the playoffs were teams from higher tiers, having played tougher schedules (Seahawks, Packers, Chiefs), with the exception of the Steelers, who were playing against a team from the same tier, without their starting QB.
If you aren't paying attention to SOS, you are behind the 8-ball when it comes to figuring out who will win.
The Panthers and Broncos were both top tier teams this year, but their SOS puts the Broncos at the top of the list. You can say they don't belong their, but most people had counted them out of this year's run for the championship. They are battle-tested, in a big way.
The only thing that leads one to believe Carolina can step up is the fact that their two toughest opponents of the year (BY FAR) are the last two they have played.
Personally, I will always lean to the side of the team that has taken the tougher road; and historically, it has proven to be a successful predictor of who will win, more often than not!
Well said
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Quote Originally Posted by Duderonomy:
Come Super Bowl time SOS tends to be one of the most important predictors in uncovering who will win the game. Been tracking it a long time, and it is the primary basis for my Power Rankings.
In these playoffs, I was able to separate all teams into 3 different tiers.
In 10 games, the team from a lower tier beat a team from a higher tier only once (Patriots over Chiefs), and those two teams were separated by only a small margin, with the Pats playing at home.
All of the road teams that won in the playoffs were teams from higher tiers, having played tougher schedules (Seahawks, Packers, Chiefs), with the exception of the Steelers, who were playing against a team from the same tier, without their starting QB.
If you aren't paying attention to SOS, you are behind the 8-ball when it comes to figuring out who will win.
The Panthers and Broncos were both top tier teams this year, but their SOS puts the Broncos at the top of the list. You can say they don't belong their, but most people had counted them out of this year's run for the championship. They are battle-tested, in a big way.
The only thing that leads one to believe Carolina can step up is the fact that their two toughest opponents of the year (BY FAR) are the last two they have played.
Personally, I will always lean to the side of the team that has taken the tougher road; and historically, it has proven to be a successful predictor of who will win, more often than not!
SOS has some merit but the coaches are not looking at that they are looking at how their opponent reacted when the opponent tried certain plays.In the past bad teams were actually the ones to expose weaknesses of better teams.NFL coaches are afraid to try new things until it does not matter.Several years ago Clev. spread their offence by using more recievers all the time.This forced Pitt. to spread their dee the rest of the year and into the next season. Teams that had the personell to do this CONTINUED TO DO IT.Pitt. dee was being exposed badly I remember Bill Cowher talking about how long it took the to adjust to it.What SHARKSCORE mentioned is the most telling difference I have noticed.Both Indy and KC ran the ball 40x.
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SOS has some merit but the coaches are not looking at that they are looking at how their opponent reacted when the opponent tried certain plays.In the past bad teams were actually the ones to expose weaknesses of better teams.NFL coaches are afraid to try new things until it does not matter.Several years ago Clev. spread their offence by using more recievers all the time.This forced Pitt. to spread their dee the rest of the year and into the next season. Teams that had the personell to do this CONTINUED TO DO IT.Pitt. dee was being exposed badly I remember Bill Cowher talking about how long it took the to adjust to it.What SHARKSCORE mentioned is the most telling difference I have noticed.Both Indy and KC ran the ball 40x.
SOS is beyond overrated, especially when you look at these two teams...
Who cares if Denvers is stronger, if they have 3 more losses?
So Denver played tougher games, but didnt win them? What does that exactly say??
When you look at a schedule, you throw out divisional games because those cant be graded equally because divison games are always tough/close...thats just how sports work
So, then look at the other games...Denver only good wins against Pats at home in OT and a game at home versus Cinccy with a backup
Denver beat a bad Ravens team at home by 6, Viks by 3, and whopped the Packers(so did Car)...nothing too impressive
On the road, they beat the Lions, Browns and Bears?? All 1 score games...
To me, beating the Ravens, Viks, Lions, Browns and Bears isnt saying much at all...
Yes, Carolina really only beat Seattle in Seattle, but that is far more impressive than anything Denver did all year....plus Car blew out almost everybody they played...
ANd playing at Giants and at Dallas is much more difficult than at the Lions, Bears or Browns
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SOS is beyond overrated, especially when you look at these two teams...
Who cares if Denvers is stronger, if they have 3 more losses?
So Denver played tougher games, but didnt win them? What does that exactly say??
When you look at a schedule, you throw out divisional games because those cant be graded equally because divison games are always tough/close...thats just how sports work
So, then look at the other games...Denver only good wins against Pats at home in OT and a game at home versus Cinccy with a backup
Denver beat a bad Ravens team at home by 6, Viks by 3, and whopped the Packers(so did Car)...nothing too impressive
On the road, they beat the Lions, Browns and Bears?? All 1 score games...
To me, beating the Ravens, Viks, Lions, Browns and Bears isnt saying much at all...
Yes, Carolina really only beat Seattle in Seattle, but that is far more impressive than anything Denver did all year....plus Car blew out almost everybody they played...
ANd playing at Giants and at Dallas is much more difficult than at the Lions, Bears or Browns
Come Super Bowl time SOS tends to be one of the most important predictors in uncovering who will win the game. Been tracking it a long time, and it is the primary basis for my Power Rankings.
In these playoffs, I was able to separate all teams into 3 different tiers.
In 10 games, the team from a lower tier beat a team from a higher tier only once (Patriots over Chiefs), and those two teams were separated by only a small margin, with the Pats playing at home.
All of the road teams that won in the playoffs were teams from higher tiers, having played tougher schedules (Seahawks, Packers, Chiefs), with the exception of the Steelers, who were playing against a team from the same tier, without their starting QB.
If you aren't paying attention to SOS, you are behind the 8-ball when it comes to figuring out who will win.
The Panthers and Broncos were both top tier teams this year, but their SOS puts the Broncos at the top of the list. You can say they don't belong their, but most people had counted them out of this year's run for the championship. They are battle-tested, in a big way.
The only thing that leads one to believe Carolina can step up is the fact that their two toughest opponents of the year (BY FAR) are the last two they have played.
Personally, I will always lean to the side of the team that has taken the tougher road; and historically, it has proven to be a successful predictor of who will win, more often than not!
If it's useful for the SB, why isn't it the same for the playoffs? Car #27 just handed it to Arz #15 and Seattle #5.
Why does SOS become useful for the SB but not otherwise?
Denver #13 beat Pitt #3 and NE #18
I just don't find much use for this stat by itself. I'll take it into consideration while looking at the big picture though.
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Quote Originally Posted by Duderonomy:
Come Super Bowl time SOS tends to be one of the most important predictors in uncovering who will win the game. Been tracking it a long time, and it is the primary basis for my Power Rankings.
In these playoffs, I was able to separate all teams into 3 different tiers.
In 10 games, the team from a lower tier beat a team from a higher tier only once (Patriots over Chiefs), and those two teams were separated by only a small margin, with the Pats playing at home.
All of the road teams that won in the playoffs were teams from higher tiers, having played tougher schedules (Seahawks, Packers, Chiefs), with the exception of the Steelers, who were playing against a team from the same tier, without their starting QB.
If you aren't paying attention to SOS, you are behind the 8-ball when it comes to figuring out who will win.
The Panthers and Broncos were both top tier teams this year, but their SOS puts the Broncos at the top of the list. You can say they don't belong their, but most people had counted them out of this year's run for the championship. They are battle-tested, in a big way.
The only thing that leads one to believe Carolina can step up is the fact that their two toughest opponents of the year (BY FAR) are the last two they have played.
Personally, I will always lean to the side of the team that has taken the tougher road; and historically, it has proven to be a successful predictor of who will win, more often than not!
If it's useful for the SB, why isn't it the same for the playoffs? Car #27 just handed it to Arz #15 and Seattle #5.
Why does SOS become useful for the SB but not otherwise?
Denver #13 beat Pitt #3 and NE #18
I just don't find much use for this stat by itself. I'll take it into consideration while looking at the big picture though.
Look at DEN schedule and look at all the 4 teams they lost to and tell me what all those teams have in common? They all have mobile QBs- A Luck, A Smith, D Carr and you can say Rothlisberger is as well. If you think CAR offense is not impressive then I'm not sure we are watching the same games. CAR has the 2nd rated O-line and DEN will not be able to get to Cam as fast as they did to Brady, if at all.
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Quote Originally Posted by sharkscore:
Look at DEN schedule and look at all the 4 teams they lost to and tell me what all those teams have in common? They all have mobile QBs- A Luck, A Smith, D Carr and you can say Rothlisberger is as well. If you think CAR offense is not impressive then I'm not sure we are watching the same games. CAR has the 2nd rated O-line and DEN will not be able to get to Cam as fast as they did to Brady, if at all.
If it's useful for the SB, why isn't it the same for the playoffs? Car #27 just handed it to Arz #15 and Seattle #5.
Why does SOS become useful for the SB but not otherwise?
Denver #13 beat Pitt #3 and NE #18
I just don't find much use for this stat by itself. I'll take it into consideration while looking at the big picture though.
SB is neutral field. Early rounds can/are highly influenced by HFA. I've been contending that CAR was extremely fortunate to have earned HFA. How many times in NFL history has a WC team advanced to the SB and how many have won?
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Quote Originally Posted by atl4tigerfan:
If it's useful for the SB, why isn't it the same for the playoffs? Car #27 just handed it to Arz #15 and Seattle #5.
Why does SOS become useful for the SB but not otherwise?
Denver #13 beat Pitt #3 and NE #18
I just don't find much use for this stat by itself. I'll take it into consideration while looking at the big picture though.
SB is neutral field. Early rounds can/are highly influenced by HFA. I've been contending that CAR was extremely fortunate to have earned HFA. How many times in NFL history has a WC team advanced to the SB and how many have won?
Let's not forget they were up huge while playing the Giants even though the almost lost that game. Then distracted the week after with the fiasco of OBJ before they lost to Atlanta. Atlanta got very lucky on two plays and won the game.
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Let's not forget they were up huge while playing the Giants even though the almost lost that game. Then distracted the week after with the fiasco of OBJ before they lost to Atlanta. Atlanta got very lucky on two plays and won the game.
Let's not forget they were up huge while playing the Giants even though the almost lost that game. Then distracted the week after with the fiasco of OBJ before they lost to Atlanta. Atlanta got very lucky on two plays and won the game.
OIC, is THAT why they lost to Carolina?
If this isn't the epitome of making poor excuses for a loss I don't know what is. Any OBJ distraction the following week would have been to the NYG not to the Panthers who weren't even the ones being scrutinized. Also, even if there was any distraction, I think the drive to go undefeated would trump it.
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Quote Originally Posted by xanthax:
Let's not forget they were up huge while playing the Giants even though the almost lost that game. Then distracted the week after with the fiasco of OBJ before they lost to Atlanta. Atlanta got very lucky on two plays and won the game.
OIC, is THAT why they lost to Carolina?
If this isn't the epitome of making poor excuses for a loss I don't know what is. Any OBJ distraction the following week would have been to the NYG not to the Panthers who weren't even the ones being scrutinized. Also, even if there was any distraction, I think the drive to go undefeated would trump it.
Let's not forget they were up huge while playing the Giants even though the almost lost that game. Then distracted the week after with the fiasco of OBJ before they lost to Atlanta. Atlanta got very lucky on two plays and won the game.
Also, I don't know how you can say ATL got lucky on two plays. They did hold that "unstoppable" Panthers offense to 13 points the entire game. Yeah, you know, the Falcons all timer of a defense that's much much better than this Broncos defense .
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Quote Originally Posted by xanthax:
Let's not forget they were up huge while playing the Giants even though the almost lost that game. Then distracted the week after with the fiasco of OBJ before they lost to Atlanta. Atlanta got very lucky on two plays and won the game.
Also, I don't know how you can say ATL got lucky on two plays. They did hold that "unstoppable" Panthers offense to 13 points the entire game. Yeah, you know, the Falcons all timer of a defense that's much much better than this Broncos defense .
Also, I don't know how you can say ATL got lucky on two plays. They did hold that "unstoppable" Panthers offense to 13 points the entire game. Yeah, you know, the Falcons all timer of a defense that's much much better than this Broncos defense .
The worst way to ever cap games, is to use divisional games as information...in any sport, no matter how good or bad a team is, divisional games are always close especially road games...
Which is exactly how the Raiders won in Denver...like what 13-10 or 13-9?
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Quote Originally Posted by naesiy:
Also, I don't know how you can say ATL got lucky on two plays. They did hold that "unstoppable" Panthers offense to 13 points the entire game. Yeah, you know, the Falcons all timer of a defense that's much much better than this Broncos defense .
The worst way to ever cap games, is to use divisional games as information...in any sport, no matter how good or bad a team is, divisional games are always close especially road games...
Which is exactly how the Raiders won in Denver...like what 13-10 or 13-9?
If it's useful for the SB, why isn't it the same for the playoffs? Car #27 just handed it to Arz #15 and Seattle #5.
Why does SOS become useful for the SB but not otherwise?
1) It's useful, but it's not the only factor. It isn't going to win 100% of the time...
2) Home Field advantage isn't a factor in the Super Bowl, but it's a big factor in the playoffs. As I pointed out before, only 4 road teams won in the playoffs, and 3 of them had significantly better SOS rankings, with the other being Pitt, who was a push on SOS and playing against a backup QB.
3) When the SOS difference is small, it isn't as likely to serve as a strong predictor. But when it is big, it is usually pretty reliable.
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Quote Originally Posted by atl4tigerfan:
If it's useful for the SB, why isn't it the same for the playoffs? Car #27 just handed it to Arz #15 and Seattle #5.
Why does SOS become useful for the SB but not otherwise?
1) It's useful, but it's not the only factor. It isn't going to win 100% of the time...
2) Home Field advantage isn't a factor in the Super Bowl, but it's a big factor in the playoffs. As I pointed out before, only 4 road teams won in the playoffs, and 3 of them had significantly better SOS rankings, with the other being Pitt, who was a push on SOS and playing against a backup QB.
3) When the SOS difference is small, it isn't as likely to serve as a strong predictor. But when it is big, it is usually pretty reliable.
The worst way to ever cap games, is to use divisional games as information...in any sport, no matter how good or bad a team is, divisional games are always close especially road games...
Which is exactly how the Raiders won in Denver...like what 13-10 or 13-9?
Disagree, the worst way to cap games is to make a choice based on the 1 or 2 games just prior. This is how Vegas rakes in the dough....losing bettors have short memories and get hypnotized into making bad bets tomorrow based on only yesterdays results.
While I understand what you are saying about divisional games and agree to an extent, to throw them out completely is equally as bad. Context is the most important thing. And in this context with Carolina going for the undefeated record and considering how weak ATL really was this year, IMO there is NO WAY they should have lost that game if they truly were that great. Divisional or not, the GREAT teams find ways to win that game.
I'd be more agreeable to your argument if this was an isolated case, but CAR offense has under performed (relative to the juggernaut people seem to think they are now) on the road the entire season against crap teams. They are a different team at home vs. away (as most are). Dallas held them to 3 FGs on offense. The HT deficit was only large because of a rusty Tony Romo trying to do too much. Manning won't
OTOH, Broncos have been the same pretty much everywhere, less than mediocre on offense and very strong on defense. That's been there recipe for winning this year and I don't think CAR's offense is good enough to change that.
(Of course, this is just my POV)
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Quote Originally Posted by LETGOPACK1234:
The worst way to ever cap games, is to use divisional games as information...in any sport, no matter how good or bad a team is, divisional games are always close especially road games...
Which is exactly how the Raiders won in Denver...like what 13-10 or 13-9?
Disagree, the worst way to cap games is to make a choice based on the 1 or 2 games just prior. This is how Vegas rakes in the dough....losing bettors have short memories and get hypnotized into making bad bets tomorrow based on only yesterdays results.
While I understand what you are saying about divisional games and agree to an extent, to throw them out completely is equally as bad. Context is the most important thing. And in this context with Carolina going for the undefeated record and considering how weak ATL really was this year, IMO there is NO WAY they should have lost that game if they truly were that great. Divisional or not, the GREAT teams find ways to win that game.
I'd be more agreeable to your argument if this was an isolated case, but CAR offense has under performed (relative to the juggernaut people seem to think they are now) on the road the entire season against crap teams. They are a different team at home vs. away (as most are). Dallas held them to 3 FGs on offense. The HT deficit was only large because of a rusty Tony Romo trying to do too much. Manning won't
OTOH, Broncos have been the same pretty much everywhere, less than mediocre on offense and very strong on defense. That's been there recipe for winning this year and I don't think CAR's offense is good enough to change that.
Look at DEN schedule and look at all the 4 teams they lost to and tell me what all those teams have in common? They all have mobile QBs- A Luck, A Smith, D Carr and you can say Rothlisberger is as well.
What..? Lol.
He had 29 yards rushing all season.
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Quote Originally Posted by sharkscore:
Look at DEN schedule and look at all the 4 teams they lost to and tell me what all those teams have in common? They all have mobile QBs- A Luck, A Smith, D Carr and you can say Rothlisberger is as well.
If you switched up the schedules, Carolina would've probably gone 14-2 playing Denver's schedule and Denver would've gone 12-4 playing Carolina's schedule.
Quote Originally Posted by naesiy:
Disagree, the worst way to cap games is to make a choice based on the 1 or 2 games just prior. This is how Vegas rakes in the dough....losing bettors have short memories and get hypnotized into making bad bets tomorrow based on only yesterdays results.
While I understand what you are saying about divisional games and agree to an extent, to throw them out completely is equally as bad. Context is the most important thing. And in this context with Carolina going for the undefeated record and considering how weak ATL really was this year, IMO there is NO WAY they should have lost that game if they truly were that great. Divisional or not, the GREAT teams find ways to win that game.
I'd be more agreeable to your argument if this was an isolated case, but CAR offense has under performed (relative to the juggernaut people seem to think they are now) on the road the entire season against crap teams. They are a different team at home vs. away (as most are). Dallas held them to 3 FGs on offense. The HT deficit was only large because of a rusty Tony Romo trying to do too much. Manning won't
OTOH, Broncos have been the same pretty much everywhere, less than mediocre on offense and very strong on defense. That's been there recipe for winning this year and I don't think CAR's offense is good enough to change that.
(Of course, this is just my POV)
ATL wasn't that weak this year. They were in every game (almost every loss was 1-3 points besides the first Panthers blowout). Panthers beat Atlanta 38-0 just 2 weeks prior and they came into that game thinking they had it in the bag (taking their opponent lightly). Julio Jones had 180 yards that game and no other receiver (not even Antonio Brown) will have that many yards against Josh Norman. Matt Ryan played the game of the season making crazy throws in tight windows that Peyton Manning cannot make anymore. Atlanta had the perfect Defense too. They had 8 in the box and covered all the gaps and rushing lanes so Cam couldn't run. And the secondary won their one on one matchups against Greg Olsen and the Panthers receivers. That was Atlanta's Superbowl and they played like it.
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If you switched up the schedules, Carolina would've probably gone 14-2 playing Denver's schedule and Denver would've gone 12-4 playing Carolina's schedule.
Quote Originally Posted by naesiy:
Disagree, the worst way to cap games is to make a choice based on the 1 or 2 games just prior. This is how Vegas rakes in the dough....losing bettors have short memories and get hypnotized into making bad bets tomorrow based on only yesterdays results.
While I understand what you are saying about divisional games and agree to an extent, to throw them out completely is equally as bad. Context is the most important thing. And in this context with Carolina going for the undefeated record and considering how weak ATL really was this year, IMO there is NO WAY they should have lost that game if they truly were that great. Divisional or not, the GREAT teams find ways to win that game.
I'd be more agreeable to your argument if this was an isolated case, but CAR offense has under performed (relative to the juggernaut people seem to think they are now) on the road the entire season against crap teams. They are a different team at home vs. away (as most are). Dallas held them to 3 FGs on offense. The HT deficit was only large because of a rusty Tony Romo trying to do too much. Manning won't
OTOH, Broncos have been the same pretty much everywhere, less than mediocre on offense and very strong on defense. That's been there recipe for winning this year and I don't think CAR's offense is good enough to change that.
(Of course, this is just my POV)
ATL wasn't that weak this year. They were in every game (almost every loss was 1-3 points besides the first Panthers blowout). Panthers beat Atlanta 38-0 just 2 weeks prior and they came into that game thinking they had it in the bag (taking their opponent lightly). Julio Jones had 180 yards that game and no other receiver (not even Antonio Brown) will have that many yards against Josh Norman. Matt Ryan played the game of the season making crazy throws in tight windows that Peyton Manning cannot make anymore. Atlanta had the perfect Defense too. They had 8 in the box and covered all the gaps and rushing lanes so Cam couldn't run. And the secondary won their one on one matchups against Greg Olsen and the Panthers receivers. That was Atlanta's Superbowl and they played like it.
If you switched up the schedules, Carolina would've probably gone 14-2 playing Denver's schedule and Denver would've gone 12-4 playing Carolina's schedule.
Whaaaat? wtf are you smoking? 12-4? And what games would they have lost? Slap yourself if you are including any NFC south team.
ATL wasn't that weak this year. They were in every game (almost every loss was 1-3 points besides the first Panthers blowout).
Again, whaaat? They finished 8-8 in the NFC South. They whooped on the Titans 10-7. The TITANS with Zach Mettenberger at QB. This was WITH D. Freeman. They lost to the BUCS twice. HALF their losses were by more than a FG. And again, the BUCS TWICE. Very impressive, they only lost to the BUCS by 3 and 4 points. Impressive moral victory there.
Panthers beat Atlanta 38-0 just 2 weeks prior and they came into that game thinking they had it in the bag (taking their opponent lightly)
At 14-0 you take no one likely cause you are chasing that record. Stop it.
Julio Jones had 180 yards that game and no other receiver (not even Antonio Brown) will have that many yards against Josh Norman.
What does this have to do with Carolina only being able to score 13 on that wicked ATL D? JJ getting 180 still only led to ATL scoring 20 points for the game...just a shade above CAR's average allowed this season. Par for the course, except their Offense (the reason they are supposedly going to whoop on the Broncos) score 18 points less than their average.
Matt Ryan played the game of the season making crazy throws in tight windows that Peyton Manning cannot make anymore.
Offense is what wins games for the Broncos. Maybe you missed that tidbit this season? Manning won't HAVE to make crazy throws..in fact, quite the opposite...he needs to NOT attempt crazy throws and protect the ball.
Atlanta had the perfect Defense too. They had 8 in the box and covered all the gaps and rushing lanes so Cam couldn't run. And the secondary won their one on one matchups against Greg Olsen and the Panthers receivers. That was Atlanta's Superbowl and they played like it.
Perfect defense is 8 in the box? So what would you call it when Denver only needs 7 in the box to contain Cam and the rushing lanes, which can be expected considering Denver's front 7 is much better than ATLs. Is that Super Perfect defense? Infinity Defense? Ludicrous defense? You don't think Denver's secondary is talented enough to win their 1v1 matchups?
Guess what, this is Denver's literal "Superbowl".
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Quote Originally Posted by TheMethod:
If you switched up the schedules, Carolina would've probably gone 14-2 playing Denver's schedule and Denver would've gone 12-4 playing Carolina's schedule.
Whaaaat? wtf are you smoking? 12-4? And what games would they have lost? Slap yourself if you are including any NFC south team.
ATL wasn't that weak this year. They were in every game (almost every loss was 1-3 points besides the first Panthers blowout).
Again, whaaat? They finished 8-8 in the NFC South. They whooped on the Titans 10-7. The TITANS with Zach Mettenberger at QB. This was WITH D. Freeman. They lost to the BUCS twice. HALF their losses were by more than a FG. And again, the BUCS TWICE. Very impressive, they only lost to the BUCS by 3 and 4 points. Impressive moral victory there.
Panthers beat Atlanta 38-0 just 2 weeks prior and they came into that game thinking they had it in the bag (taking their opponent lightly)
At 14-0 you take no one likely cause you are chasing that record. Stop it.
Julio Jones had 180 yards that game and no other receiver (not even Antonio Brown) will have that many yards against Josh Norman.
What does this have to do with Carolina only being able to score 13 on that wicked ATL D? JJ getting 180 still only led to ATL scoring 20 points for the game...just a shade above CAR's average allowed this season. Par for the course, except their Offense (the reason they are supposedly going to whoop on the Broncos) score 18 points less than their average.
Matt Ryan played the game of the season making crazy throws in tight windows that Peyton Manning cannot make anymore.
Offense is what wins games for the Broncos. Maybe you missed that tidbit this season? Manning won't HAVE to make crazy throws..in fact, quite the opposite...he needs to NOT attempt crazy throws and protect the ball.
Atlanta had the perfect Defense too. They had 8 in the box and covered all the gaps and rushing lanes so Cam couldn't run. And the secondary won their one on one matchups against Greg Olsen and the Panthers receivers. That was Atlanta's Superbowl and they played like it.
Perfect defense is 8 in the box? So what would you call it when Denver only needs 7 in the box to contain Cam and the rushing lanes, which can be expected considering Denver's front 7 is much better than ATLs. Is that Super Perfect defense? Infinity Defense? Ludicrous defense? You don't think Denver's secondary is talented enough to win their 1v1 matchups?
Panthers are getting to the big stage for the first time. Broncos just there two years ago and got walloped.
Broncos will be focused rest assured.
WRThis Denver D will easily cover those Panther, no doubt there.
Jonathan Stewart runs like a 60 year old.
Corral Cam and keep him in the pocket in what is sure to be a low scoring game.
I would not even cover Ginn, he drops most of them anyways.
erNo one has noticed but Peyton is playing way bett.
Three quality wide outs and two quality RB's for the Donkeys.
Peyton's last year and everyone wants to see him go out on top, not the egomaniac Cam.
1) Everybody always says Carolina has no WR threat, and yet every week it is wide-open bomb after wide-open bomb.
2) Manning is playing way better?? He was 53% for 176 yds against NE You think those are good numbers??
3) Thomas will be shut-down completely...if you want to talk about Ginn and drops, Denver takes drops to a whole new level...and you are calling Denvers Anderson and Hillman quality Rbs
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Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:
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NYG and Dallas as good teams.
Good luck boys.
Panthers are getting to the big stage for the first time. Broncos just there two years ago and got walloped.
Broncos will be focused rest assured.
WRThis Denver D will easily cover those Panther, no doubt there.
Jonathan Stewart runs like a 60 year old.
Corral Cam and keep him in the pocket in what is sure to be a low scoring game.
I would not even cover Ginn, he drops most of them anyways.
erNo one has noticed but Peyton is playing way bett.
Three quality wide outs and two quality RB's for the Donkeys.
Peyton's last year and everyone wants to see him go out on top, not the egomaniac Cam.
1) Everybody always says Carolina has no WR threat, and yet every week it is wide-open bomb after wide-open bomb.
2) Manning is playing way better?? He was 53% for 176 yds against NE You think those are good numbers??
3) Thomas will be shut-down completely...if you want to talk about Ginn and drops, Denver takes drops to a whole new level...and you are calling Denvers Anderson and Hillman quality Rbs
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