Pittsburgh Steelers - A Franchise Being Demolished

Replace all these coaches with computer chips.

Sick of all these over payed nothings it's a simple kids game the media and public make celebrities out of clowns like Tomlin.

So true, the media is pushing the narrative that Tomlin has been a cross between Mother Theresa and Mahatma Ghandi. Steelers only great head coach was Chuck Noll and even he stayed on for too long. 

tomlin could win 1 game next year and he'd still be the steeler's coach. tomlin could have losing seasons the next 7 years and he'd still be the steelers coach. if noll could do these things I don't see why tomlin couldn't. Go Steelers.

@rosswin97

To compare Noll with Tomlin is complete lunacy. One turned around a franchise with a losing tradition and created a dynasty.

One of those men could actually coach x's and o's whereas the other is a glorified cheerleader with a set of headphones and a thesaurus. 

If participation trophies are your thang, then Tomlin is your man. Tomlin is a DEI hire who inherited a great coaching staff and great players which led to some early success, nothing more. 

If the Steelers must have a minority head coach then get one with a functioning brain like Brian Flores or someone like Dennis Green. I don't care if the head coach is the color of a babboon's rearend as long as he can coach. 

Knoll after Bradshaw only won 1 playoff game in the next 9 years before he retired.  He was 1-13 the year before they drafted Bradshaw.

Another great coach for sure.  But just another example of a coach that needed a great QB.  This was at a time when it was not nearly as much of a QB-driven league. 

@Raiders22

 Well said, Raiders...  It can't be overstated how important it is have a quality QB in this league and expect to win (on a consistent basis) ..

I put it this way ; If you don't have a quality QB on your team, you can't expect much from your team ... And if you do have a great QB, that is just but one important ingredient it takes to win the big one.  Buffalo  and Cincy are two current examples of this latter point.  

@Rush51

 define quality. steelers had an all-star team for nearly a decade with the steel curtain, a great running back in franco harris and some dynamic receivers who often performed acrobatic feats in order to haul in bradshaw's passes.  if you have a season where you throw 12 tds and 12 ints, complete only 47.7& of your passes and still have a record of 11-3 that means you have a great team, kinda like dilfer and the ravens. the year after that he threw for 10tds 15 ints completed 49% of his passes but he was 8-1 in the games he started. I assume the game was much unrefined as well, with the route tree being less than stellar and I know most teams ran on 1st and 2nd down and the qb was under center almost all of the time.

Fun fact: Adam Chernoff, who is now at Right Angle Sports and had a podcast on Covers, pointed out years ago that the prior Steelers OC was forced to cede control to Rooney/Tomlin to run a certain percentage of the time. Tomlin has been controlling the scheme for years and owns their middling offense. 

The Arizona Cardinals in 2023 showed how you upset the Steelers. You basically have to have an energetic tackle like Paris Johnson take TJ Watt to the woodshed, and just pick the fight from the 1Q on. Gotta plan to mess him up all day, scheme around Watt. Load up heavy and destroy him, put him on his heels. Watt's a tough mofo, but he can be schemed around. 

[Quote: Originally Posted by rosswin97]@Rush51    define quality. steelers had an all-star team for nearly a decade with the steel curtain, a great running back in franco harris and some dynamic receivers who often performed acrobatic feats in order to haul in bradshaw's passes.  if you have a season where you throw 12 tds and 12 ints, complete only 47.7& of your passes and still have a record of 11-3 that means you have a great team, kinda like dilfer and the ravens. the year after that he threw for 10tds 15 ints completed 49% of his passes but he was 8-1 in the games he started. I assume the game was much unrefined as well, with the route tree being less than stellar and I know most teams ran on 1st and 2nd down and the qb was under center almost all of the time.[/Quote]

The question on what defines "quality" in a QB is a fair point.  At risk of hijacking this thread, I have lots to talk about on this topic, and will plan on starting a thread in the future to address this. 

Bradshaw may not have have been an elite QB, but he definitely did enough and was talented enough to win 4 Super Bowls and get into the HOF.  Dilfer, on the other hand, just might be the worst QB in a generation to win a SB.  This just doesn't happen that often.  Go look at the last 20 Super Bowls, and you'll find a who's who of the QBs who won those Super Bowls.  Nick Foles just might be the most surprising on the list. 

To bring this back to Steeler Nation, Mason Rudolph has a lot to prove to get on the "quality list" of reputable QBs.  

Trust me as a Ravens fan since before the 1st snap, Trent Dilfer was a God awful QB, if Bradshaw had been our QB we might have went undefeated.  Now regarding the Steelers this year if they are as bad as Bob suggests then why does Vegas have them at 8'? IMO Mason Rudolf is nothing more than a slightly below average QB.