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    GOW #2: Pittsburgh Steelers -3....here's WHY....

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    Final 2010 NFL regular season: 58-44 @ 57% for + $9,600
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    #2: Pittsburgh Steelers -3 (-120) (My 2nd GOW...sure I can have 2, why not?..Love 'em both!)


    Let’s compare the ‘relative-strength’ of each team.

    Ravens O: 22.8 ppg
    Opp Def Ave: 21.6
    Variance: +1.2

    Ravens D: 16.3 ppg
    Opp Off Ave: 21.3
    Variance: +5.0

    Total Variance: +6.2


    Steelers O: 23.4 ppg
    Opp Def Ave: 21.1
    Variance: +2.3

    Steelers D: 14.5 ppg
    Opp Off Ave: 21.3
    Variance: +6.8

    Total Variance: +9.1

    Clearly both teams are above-average offensively and way superior defensively compared to their opponents. As good as Baltimore is, Pittsburgh is even better both offensively and defensively. Baltimore has a ‘relative’ variance of +6.2, while Pittsburgh is at +9.1. The difference in ‘relative-variances’ between the 2 squads is +2.9. Clearly Pittsburgh is a better team. I’d like to repeat this statement: Pittsburgh Steelers are a better team than Baltimore Ravens! Why am I repeating it? Well, because after seeing Baltimore dominate KC last week (Ravens -2.5 was my GOW last week by the way) the public is jumping all over Baltimore in this one. Remember, the key to betting playoffs is to determine which team is a truly ‘BETTER’ squad. Then obviously we have to take the spread into consideration, but as everyone knows, the spread in the NFL only comes into play about 18% of the time. In any case, by comparing ‘relative’ strength of each team, it provides us with a ‘simple’ way of figuring out which is a ‘better’ squad. Alright, need a little more proof? Let’s break down some additional stats and hopefully that will confirm our initial ‘notion’.

    Offensively, the Ravens averaged 116 RYpg for a 3.7 ave per rush (#28) and 211 PYpg for a 7.4 ave yards per attempt (#9). Steelers on offense averaged 120 RYpg for a 4.1 ave per rush (#18) and 225 PYpg for a 8.1 ave yards per attempt (#2). Clearly, Steelers are more efficient both passing and running the ball. Defensively, the Ravens gave up 94.8 RYpg for a 4.0 ave per rush (#8) and 214 PYpg for a 6.4 ave yards per attempt (#2 – guess who #1 was…) Steelers’ D gave up 62.8 RYpg for a 3.0 ave per rush (#1) and 214 PYpg for a 6.3 ave per attempt (#1). As good as both defenses are, Steelers are just better. There’s a reason why defensively they are #1 in both ave RY and ave PY per attempt. The reason we can confidently compare these stats and confirm that Steelers are a better team offensively and defensively, is because they faced pretty much the same opponents. You can take a look at the “Opponents Defensive Average” and “Opponents Offensive Average” that I listed above (in the relative-strength comparison) to confirm that. Finally, I want to point out that Ravens on offense have produced 14.4 YPPT and held their opponents to 19.0 YPPT. Steelers offense gained 14.7 and defense allowed 19.1 YPPT. Speak about efficiency! Both teams are mirror images of each other here. Well, remember that Pittsburgh didn’t have Big Ben for the first 4 weeks of the season, so their efficiency # should be better than it really is. Additionally, Baltimore’s D is less efficient on the road, giving up 17.9 YPPT compared to 19.0 YPPT on the season. (Yes, I know I’m reaching a little here ?) Steelers at home yielded 19.7 YPPT compared to 19.1 YPPT on the season, so you can say their D is a tad more efficient at home. In any case, the bottom line here is that Steelers are ‘clearly’ the better team. How much better? Well, that’s up for a debate but I just wanted to prove to everyone statistically that they are a better squad and there really is no argument against that.
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    #2: Pittsburgh Steelers -3 (-120) (My 2nd GOW...sure I can have 2, why not?..Love 'em both!)


    Let’s compare the ‘relative-strength’ of each team.

    Ravens O: 22.8 ppg
    Opp Def Ave: 21.6
    Variance: +1.2

    Ravens D: 16.3 ppg
    Opp Off Ave: 21.3
    Variance: +5.0

    Total Variance: +6.2


    Steelers O: 23.4 ppg
    Opp Def Ave: 21.1
    Variance: +2.3

    Steelers D: 14.5 ppg
    Opp Off Ave: 21.3
    Variance: +6.8

    Total Variance: +9.1

    Clearly both teams are above-average offensively and way superior defensively compared to their opponents. As good as Baltimore is, Pittsburgh is even better both offensively and defensively. Baltimore has a ‘relative’ variance of +6.2, while Pittsburgh is at +9.1. The difference in ‘relative-variances’ between the 2 squads is +2.9. Clearly Pittsburgh is a better team. I’d like to repeat this statement: Pittsburgh Steelers are a better team than Baltimore Ravens! Why am I repeating it? Well, because after seeing Baltimore dominate KC last week (Ravens -2.5 was my GOW last week by the way) the public is jumping all over Baltimore in this one. Remember, the key to betting playoffs is to determine which team is a truly ‘BETTER’ squad. Then obviously we have to take the spread into consideration, but as everyone knows, the spread in the NFL only comes into play about 18% of the time. In any case, by comparing ‘relative’ strength of each team, it provides us with a ‘simple’ way of figuring out which is a ‘better’ squad. Alright, need a little more proof? Let’s break down some additional stats and hopefully that will confirm our initial ‘notion’.

    Offensively, the Ravens averaged 116 RYpg for a 3.7 ave per rush (#28) and 211 PYpg for a 7.4 ave yards per attempt (#9). Steelers on offense averaged 120 RYpg for a 4.1 ave per rush (#18) and 225 PYpg for a 8.1 ave yards per attempt (#2). Clearly, Steelers are more efficient both passing and running the ball. Defensively, the Ravens gave up 94.8 RYpg for a 4.0 ave per rush (#8) and 214 PYpg for a 6.4 ave yards per attempt (#2 – guess who #1 was…) Steelers’ D gave up 62.8 RYpg for a 3.0 ave per rush (#1) and 214 PYpg for a 6.3 ave per attempt (#1). As good as both defenses are, Steelers are just better. There’s a reason why defensively they are #1 in both ave RY and ave PY per attempt. The reason we can confidently compare these stats and confirm that Steelers are a better team offensively and defensively, is because they faced pretty much the same opponents. You can take a look at the “Opponents Defensive Average” and “Opponents Offensive Average” that I listed above (in the relative-strength comparison) to confirm that. Finally, I want to point out that Ravens on offense have produced 14.4 YPPT and held their opponents to 19.0 YPPT. Steelers offense gained 14.7 and defense allowed 19.1 YPPT. Speak about efficiency! Both teams are mirror images of each other here. Well, remember that Pittsburgh didn’t have Big Ben for the first 4 weeks of the season, so their efficiency # should be better than it really is. Additionally, Baltimore’s D is less efficient on the road, giving up 17.9 YPPT compared to 19.0 YPPT on the season. (Yes, I know I’m reaching a little here ?) Steelers at home yielded 19.7 YPPT compared to 19.1 YPPT on the season, so you can say their D is a tad more efficient at home. In any case, the bottom line here is that Steelers are ‘clearly’ the better team. How much better? Well, that’s up for a debate but I just wanted to prove to everyone statistically that they are a better squad and there really is no argument against that.
     
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    Having said that, there are a number of other factors working in Pittsburgh’s favor. First of all, Ravens are playing on a ‘short’ week. Having played last Sunday, they now have to travel to Pittsburgh to face the Steelers on a Saturday. That’s tough. In addition, Steelers are rested and well prepared for this one, having 2 weeks to get ready. This late in the season, having an extra week off to heal and prepare, is a big advantage, especially when you’re facing a team that only has 5 days in between games.

    Sacks will be another big ‘key’ here. Last week against KC, Ravens O-line gave up 4 sacks. Well, the Steelers led the NFL in that category, registering 48 sacks on the season (Ravens in comparison only had 27). Baltimore is 23rd in the league in sacks-allowed, so this combination does not bode well for them on Sunday. Flacco tends to hold on to the ball too long at times (so does Roethlisberger of course, but he’s a lot more elusive) and that won’t work against the Steelers. Keep in mind that Flacco had thrown 6 touchdowns and 7 interceptions while posting a 69.5 rating in seven meetings against Pittsburgh. On the other hand, Roethlisberger has thrown 10 TD passes in winning six straight versus Baltimore in games he has played in. Sure Pittsburgh lost to Baltimore earlier this year, but Big Ben did not play in that one. Overall, Big Ben is 8-2 SU as a starter in 10 meetings with the Ravens, including 6-0 SU and 4-1-1 ATS in his past six games versus them. Hmmmmm…….

    From the turn-over standpoint, both teams are excellent at protecting the ball and forcing turn-overs. Ravens have a +10 TO differential while the Steelers are even better at +16. What’s interesting is that the #1 ‘ball-hawk’ on the Ravens’ D hasn’t really been that effective from the turn-over standpoint when facing the Steelers with Roethlisberger playing QB. In 9 career games against Roethlisberger, Ed Reed only has 1 INT.

    Finally, let’s look at the line itself. The ‘sharp’ books like Pinnacle/CRIS opened this one at -3.5 Steelers. Think about this. Everyone is talking about how great Baltimore has looked last week, and a lot of TV personalities are picking the Ravens to win this game (it effects how the public bets greatly) but the books still opened it at -3.5. Another Hmmmmmm….. 62% of the public is on the Ravens here and that’s not a surprise. So why -3.5? Well, you open it at -2.5 Pittsburgh and the ‘sharps’ will POUND the books. You open it at -4 Pittsburgh, and the public will POUND the Ravens even more so. The bookies definitely know that Steelers are a better team, playing at home, and had 2 weeks to prepare. This does NOT warrant a -3 line! Setting this one at -3, will also attract ‘sharp’ action, but obviously not as much as making it a -2.5 Setting the line at -3.5 Steelers and bumping the ‘juice’ on the Ravens is the best-scenario here. Thankfully, there are a # of ‘square’ books and BoDog is currently dealing us Steelers -3 @ -120 odds. I will gladly take that!

    Let me quickly summarize: Steelers are a BETTER team, Ravens are playing with only 5 days in between games, Steelers had 2 weeks to prepare, and Roethlisberge has owned the Ravens in his career. Oh did I mention that Steelers are a BETTER team? Well, in my opinion Steelers -3 at home has tremendous value. My computer model has a 22-16 Pittsburgh win. Good luck!
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    Having said that, there are a number of other factors working in Pittsburgh’s favor. First of all, Ravens are playing on a ‘short’ week. Having played last Sunday, they now have to travel to Pittsburgh to face the Steelers on a Saturday. That’s tough. In addition, Steelers are rested and well prepared for this one, having 2 weeks to get ready. This late in the season, having an extra week off to heal and prepare, is a big advantage, especially when you’re facing a team that only has 5 days in between games.

    Sacks will be another big ‘key’ here. Last week against KC, Ravens O-line gave up 4 sacks. Well, the Steelers led the NFL in that category, registering 48 sacks on the season (Ravens in comparison only had 27). Baltimore is 23rd in the league in sacks-allowed, so this combination does not bode well for them on Sunday. Flacco tends to hold on to the ball too long at times (so does Roethlisberger of course, but he’s a lot more elusive) and that won’t work against the Steelers. Keep in mind that Flacco had thrown 6 touchdowns and 7 interceptions while posting a 69.5 rating in seven meetings against Pittsburgh. On the other hand, Roethlisberger has thrown 10 TD passes in winning six straight versus Baltimore in games he has played in. Sure Pittsburgh lost to Baltimore earlier this year, but Big Ben did not play in that one. Overall, Big Ben is 8-2 SU as a starter in 10 meetings with the Ravens, including 6-0 SU and 4-1-1 ATS in his past six games versus them. Hmmmmm…….

    From the turn-over standpoint, both teams are excellent at protecting the ball and forcing turn-overs. Ravens have a +10 TO differential while the Steelers are even better at +16. What’s interesting is that the #1 ‘ball-hawk’ on the Ravens’ D hasn’t really been that effective from the turn-over standpoint when facing the Steelers with Roethlisberger playing QB. In 9 career games against Roethlisberger, Ed Reed only has 1 INT.

    Finally, let’s look at the line itself. The ‘sharp’ books like Pinnacle/CRIS opened this one at -3.5 Steelers. Think about this. Everyone is talking about how great Baltimore has looked last week, and a lot of TV personalities are picking the Ravens to win this game (it effects how the public bets greatly) but the books still opened it at -3.5. Another Hmmmmmm….. 62% of the public is on the Ravens here and that’s not a surprise. So why -3.5? Well, you open it at -2.5 Pittsburgh and the ‘sharps’ will POUND the books. You open it at -4 Pittsburgh, and the public will POUND the Ravens even more so. The bookies definitely know that Steelers are a better team, playing at home, and had 2 weeks to prepare. This does NOT warrant a -3 line! Setting this one at -3, will also attract ‘sharp’ action, but obviously not as much as making it a -2.5 Setting the line at -3.5 Steelers and bumping the ‘juice’ on the Ravens is the best-scenario here. Thankfully, there are a # of ‘square’ books and BoDog is currently dealing us Steelers -3 @ -120 odds. I will gladly take that!

    Let me quickly summarize: Steelers are a BETTER team, Ravens are playing with only 5 days in between games, Steelers had 2 weeks to prepare, and Roethlisberge has owned the Ravens in his career. Oh did I mention that Steelers are a BETTER team? Well, in my opinion Steelers -3 at home has tremendous value. My computer model has a 22-16 Pittsburgh win. Good luck!
     
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    These teams are as equal as you can get.....Vegas gives you 3 points for home field...now check the line....draw your own conclusion..not sure they agree with you....

    Buckle up we ain't friendly guests,BTW the trip won't take long to get there....

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    These teams are as equal as you can get.....Vegas gives you 3 points for home field...now check the line....draw your own conclusion..not sure they agree with you....

    Buckle up we ain't friendly guests,BTW the trip won't take long to get there....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrimp1958:

    These teams are as equal as you can get.....Vegas gives you 3 points for home field...now check the line....draw your own conclusion..not sure they agree with you....

    Buckle up we ain't friendly guests,BTW the trip won't take long to get there....

    If they're equal and Vegas gives you 3 points for home-field, then we get Steelers -3 correct?  Now factor in that Pittsburgh had 2 weeks to prepare, Ravens are playing on a short week, Roethlisberger has owned Baltimore 4-1-1 ATS last 6, Flacco has struggled against Pittsburgh, etc...   Where are all these factors in the line?  hehe...good luck buddy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrimp1958:

    These teams are as equal as you can get.....Vegas gives you 3 points for home field...now check the line....draw your own conclusion..not sure they agree with you....

    Buckle up we ain't friendly guests,BTW the trip won't take long to get there....

    If they're equal and Vegas gives you 3 points for home-field, then we get Steelers -3 correct?  Now factor in that Pittsburgh had 2 weeks to prepare, Ravens are playing on a short week, Roethlisberger has owned Baltimore 4-1-1 ATS last 6, Flacco has struggled against Pittsburgh, etc...   Where are all these factors in the line?  hehe...good luck buddy!

     
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    I would love to read your write up but the purple is giving me a fucking headache...I do like PItt a lot this week also...If Flacco holds the ball like he did against KC,he will get sacked and turn the ball over frequently..He has terrible pocket presence..He is a sitting duck for the Pitt pass rush
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    I would love to read your write up but the purple is giving me a fucking headache...I do like PItt a lot this week also...If Flacco holds the ball like he did against KC,he will get sacked and turn the ball over frequently..He has terrible pocket presence..He is a sitting duck for the Pitt pass rush
     
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2011 - 2:42 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by Barzini:

    I would love to read your write up but the purple is giving me a fucking headache...

     

    hehe...sorry about that.

    Just copy and paste into word.  Then you can read it with ANY color you want! 

    Go Steelers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barzini:

    I would love to read your write up but the purple is giving me a fucking headache...

     

    hehe...sorry about that.

    Just copy and paste into word.  Then you can read it with ANY color you want! 

    Go Steelers!

     
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2011 - 4:55 PM ET #10

    One more interesting point here.  Steelers are one of the most 'public' teams in the league.  And here we have a situation where the majority of the 'bets' are fading them.  Just something else to think about. 

     

    Usually when the public is favoring Underdogs and Unders, it's a clear sign to look at the other side very closely....GL

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    One more interesting point here.  Steelers are one of the most 'public' teams in the league.  And here we have a situation where the majority of the 'bets' are fading them.  Just something else to think about. 

     

    Usually when the public is favoring Underdogs and Unders, it's a clear sign to look at the other side very closely....GL

     
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2011 - 4:56 PM ET #11

    agreed
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2011 - 5:13 PM ET #12

    Great points.
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2011 - 5:55 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by bodio:

    If they're equal and Vegas gives you 3 points for home-field, then we get Steelers -3 correct?  Now factor in that Pittsburgh had 2 weeks to prepare, Ravens are playing on a short week, Roethlisberger has owned Baltimore 4-1-1 ATS last 6, Flacco has struggled against Pittsburgh, etc...   Where are all these factors in the line?  hehe...good luck buddy!


    So Vegas thinks PIT is not so good
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    If they're equal and Vegas gives you 3 points for home-field, then we get Steelers -3 correct?  Now factor in that Pittsburgh had 2 weeks to prepare, Ravens are playing on a short week, Roethlisberger has owned Baltimore 4-1-1 ATS last 6, Flacco has struggled against Pittsburgh, etc...   Where are all these factors in the line?  hehe...good luck buddy!


    So Vegas thinks PIT is not so good
     
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2011 - 6:02 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by jeremydraul:

    agreed

    Good luck bud

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremydraul:

    agreed

    Good luck bud

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by CallMeBruce:


    So Vegas thinks PIT is not so good

    Nope, Vegas has this line at -3.5 so they obviously think they are very good. (BoDog's lines are not considered 'vegas')  Plus, Vegas is in a business of 'balancing out the action" and it looks like they've done a great job of doing that so far, as majority of the public are backing a 'worse' team. 

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    So Vegas thinks PIT is not so good

    Nope, Vegas has this line at -3.5 so they obviously think they are very good. (BoDog's lines are not considered 'vegas')  Plus, Vegas is in a business of 'balancing out the action" and it looks like they've done a great job of doing that so far, as majority of the public are backing a 'worse' team. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2011 - 6:13 PM ET #16

    i like steelers to win it all.

    Steelers -3

    GB ML

    Chicago -10

    NE -8

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    i like steelers to win it all.

    Steelers -3

    GB ML

    Chicago -10

    NE -8

     
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2011 - 6:18 PM ET #17

    great stuff there......even w/ the purple.  hate to dig that far into stats (usually counterproductive), yet your info kept me reading until the end.  Very good stuff, and I agree w/ your take..Best of Luck !!
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    great stuff there......even w/ the purple.  hate to dig that far into stats (usually counterproductive), yet your info kept me reading until the end.  Very good stuff, and I agree w/ your take..Best of Luck !!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babooshki:

    i like steelers to win it all.

    That would be great, as I put a 'futures' play on them to do just that!  (Analysis on my 'fugures' plays are posted in a different thread)

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    i like steelers to win it all.

    That would be great, as I put a 'futures' play on them to do just that!  (Analysis on my 'fugures' plays are posted in a different thread)

     
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2011 - 6:40 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybirdy:

    great stuff there......even w/ the purple. 

     

    Sorry, I'll use PINK next time 

    hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybirdy:

    great stuff there......even w/ the purple. 

     

    Sorry, I'll use PINK next time 

    hehe

     
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2011 - 7:52 PM ET #20

    Good Luck, nice write-up !!!

    Steelers rank no.1 in my power ratings.

    Steelers also have excellent balance.

    Steelers =

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    Good Luck, nice write-up !!!

    Steelers rank no.1 in my power ratings.

    Steelers also have excellent balance.

    Steelers =

     
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    Good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    Good Luck, nice write-up !!!

    Steelers rank no.1 in my power ratings.

    Steelers also have excellent balance.

    Steelers =

     

    Interesting..Higher than NE, even though NE beat them this year? 

    Where do you have the other 7 playoff teams ranked in your PR's? thanks for sharing

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    Good Luck, nice write-up !!!

    Steelers rank no.1 in my power ratings.

    Steelers also have excellent balance.

    Steelers =

     

    Interesting..Higher than NE, even though NE beat them this year? 

    Where do you have the other 7 playoff teams ranked in your PR's? thanks for sharing

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelCrush:

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPatsFan:

    Good luck

     

    You too buddy! 

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPatsFan:

    Good luck

     

    You too buddy! 

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