All bets aside... we are witnessing greatness in Lebron James right now

Paxon was not even a starter on that team...BJ Armstrong was the starter..Paxon had 8 points that game including the 3.   Did Paxon carry the team like Kyrie did? Comparing Kyrie to Paxon...Just stop.. Everyone wants to compare GOAT MJ vs GOAT LBJ...In its biggest moments with everything on the line...What has LBJ done compared to Mike in the Finals..he disasters and had to be bailed out by Allen and Kyrie......Mike is 6 for 6.....There is a reason why LBJ wears #23

You want to take about great playoff performances....Jordan hung 63 against an all time great Celtic team in the playoffs...He was not guarded by a rookie player unlike LBJ was with OG last night.

I suggest you re-watch the final minute of game 6 of the 2013 Finals vs the Spurs..the last minute of the game..

LBJ....Turnover (Down 2 Points)...LBJ...Airball brick...LBJ...Airball Brick....LBJ...made 3...LBJ...Brick (Game tying 3)....Allen luck rebound bounce and made 3 to tie game.....All while the Spurs missed 3 ft's.   Sounds GOAT clutch to me... 

at least he didn't have to switch teams to win titles...

why is this still a debate. Jordan = GOAT

LBJ had to switch teams and create a super team in his PRIME.  I wonder, which is worst.

hahaha,yea you know why he had to create superteams??because he was going up against one of the greatest teams of all fugging time,do you expect him to beat them with bums??name the team jordan beat in the finals that was better than ANY of the spurs or warriors teams lebron has faced??....na,didnt think so.....and even though jordan DIDNT go up against as good teams he STILL had a "superteam" of his own on his second run so what the feck are you even on about??what do you call jordan/pippen/rodman/kukoc/harper with kerr off the bench,if not a superteam??they had WAAAAAY more talent combined than any other team in the league,as evidenced by the way they romped through that regular season in '96.

haha,he hung 63 on a great celtics team and LOST THE GAME and could never beat that team...if lebron did similar you would be shi..tting all over him for not winning..haha.

question,give your honest opinion...if jordan faced the teams lebron has faced in the finals with the supporting cast and circumstances lebron has had in those finals would he be 6-0??(or 8-0,use whichever finals you like,point is would he be undefeated)...i cant wait for this......

and remember i personally have jordan AHEAD of lebron still...but the fugging irrational lunacy spoken around and about the guy is mind-boggling.

Why didn’t LBJ go 4-0 in the Finals with the Heat?  He had a stacked Heat team.. both Wade & Bosh were in their prime... excuses excuses excuses... last year he had Kyrie & Love and he they got decimated in the Finals... He’s had of talent and supporting cast.  

fair point,he choked up bad in the mavs series..its the one huge blight on his career,but it doesnt wipe out his consistent sustained brilliance over 15 years,surely??....also the spurs team he lost to with miami was a very,very good team with payback on their minds big time and they played BRILLIANTLY,did you watch that series?not many teams would have beaten them with that kind of ball movement and shooting..far better "experts" than me have said its one of the great all-time finals performances...and talent for talent,it was pretty even.go through the rosters..spurs were deep as garbage with a great coach and lebron didnt have much help after bosh and a busted up wade......in the end,its a TEAM sport so one player can have a big influence but no player thats ever lived can guarantee a result,thats just stupid.....lebron had a very strong series that year by the way,about the only miami player that did..the rest of them were cooked from 3 long runs to the finals taking its toll on them.

you can call it excuses...there are things called reasons and facts though....just like you must have many reasons and facts as to why jordan couldnt get out of the first round for years and years and years,right??or how he got swept by the orlando magic when he came back??or how he had to take a break from the game because the grind was a bit much??again,i can call them all excuses but there are good reasons and facts as to why those things took place.

again you avoid all the questions i pose to you because theyre a bit tough,right??just play pretend for a minute here....IF prime jordan had love and kyrie would he have beaten that warriors team last year??you know the feckin answer,dont be silly now....jordan would have got his points no doubt...might have averaged 45 a game...but could he have beaten them??

the answer is we would never know. but prime mj bosh wade and a great shooter ray allen. especially in todays nba where no defense is played and all about offense. And add that the east is super weak. i am pretty sure mj and that cast would easily be the greatest team ever and win more rings then lebron. 

and i love how people think this gs team is the best ever. when i think its not. the nba is just weak in general and there are far less talent now then before. even the old age spurs won 65 games that season when gs won 73. people cannot just look at stats. but look at other aspects. there is a reason why lebron is in the finals every year. yea hes good but the east is weak as fuk. even kobe,duncan and mj couldnt make it to the finals every year. why? Simply cuz in those era there was more competition. todays nba is weak. this is a fact. out of all super stars consider to be goat’s. lebron has had the easiest path to the finals.

in my opinion. the fact lebron had to team up with 3 other future hof. then comes back to cleveland when they had like what 3 first round picks? Doesnt belong in mj or even kobe’s level. 

You are clearly missing the point..Noone is doubting LBJ is not an all time great but he should never be mentioned with the GOAT MJ nor will he ever be the GOAT...That shipped has sailed.  He is very fortunate to win 2 of his 3 titles...and he won them due to other players carrying the load in the "biggest moment".  He Shiit the bed the last minute of game 6 vs the Spurs and he opted to have Kyrie take the big shot in game 7 vs the Dubs when he could have...Nothing is wrong with that but when comparing it to GOAT MJ he does not match up.  Compare him to Magic but not Mike.

of course we dont know,i was just asking for an opinion..i think most opinions would be the same though.

as for jordan on those heat teams,yea i agree that he would not have shrivelled against the mavs the way lebron did...but you are not looking at things in the context in which they occurred..in that loss versus the spurs lebron got basically NO HELP from a broken down wade and mentally fatigued supporting cast,including bosh,plus san antonio was super motivated and playing insane in that series..so im not willing to say that even michael could have carried that group to a win..but for sure that would have been one powerful squad...just as it was with lebron.

you think the game these days is weak in general??wow,im not sure what it is youre even watching...there are more players globally than ever before in history,they are devoting more hours from a younger age to improving their game,they are demonstrably stronger,faster,more well conditioned and concentrate on shooting alot more so are waaay more efficient in that department..and are better at most skills and dexterity etc...look at guys like anthony davis and kevin durant and joel embiid/porzingis and the range of skills they have,there was NOTHING like that in jordans day and absolutely not prior to that..dude,you need to take your rose-tinted glasses off for a minute and look at reality...i too grew up in jordans era and would like to keep thinking its the greatest ever..but guess what,??they have ways of measuring and comparing these things objectively and EVERYTHING points to the average player now being superior to that which played 25 years ago.....just dig up the tapes and have a look at some of the dudes guarding jordan,lots of slow,unathletic white guys and/or guys with limited skills....youre definitely from the "everything was better in my day" school of thinking...the reason that defense looks weak now is because it is SO MUCH HARDER to defend than what it was in jordans day where they just played a more simple isolation or bully-ball game..now everything moves at light speed,you have multiple shooting options spread out all over the court and offenses with much greater intricacy and nuance and counters..defense ISNT weaker,its just much harder to play and the softer rules have made it almost impossible to stop anyone.

im not so sure the warriors are the best all time but they are very,very good by any metric you wanna use..definitely top 5 or 6 im sure....as for lebron not being a better player than kobe??come on man,you make good points but its hard to take you seriously if you say this......wait,youre gonna trot out his finals record,right??yea,ya pretty much have to when the guy gets annihalated in every single statistical category by lebron except for free throw %....points,rebounds,assists,fg %,even 3 point % lebron is a touch better and he supposedly cant shoot at all...steals,blocks,PER....there isnt one thing kobe was better at,correct me if im wrong??..oh but then he beat the incredible sixers,the amazing pacers,the astonishing nets and the juggernaut orlando fugging magic in the finals so that elevates him waaay above lebron,yea??.....oooookay then....you sure you dont want to re-think that claim??cos i would hate to have to point out the actual facts when it comes to "clutch" performance comparison between the 2 of them,the one and only thing kobe fans once tried to hang their hats on.

i agree,i dont really like the guys persona at all...he does alot of whining and is passive-aggressive as fu.qq and often hypocritical...but thats not the debate here,its how great he is at basketball and that isnt really in doubt if you have a brain and pair of functioning eyes i would reckon.