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    greatest anti-war movie EVER on TCM Thursday

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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2011 - 2:47 PM ET #1

    on Turner Classic Movies Thursday Febuary 4th @ 7:00 pm pst

    All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) with Lew Ayres as Paul Baumer, Louis Wolheim as "Kat" Katczinsky and John Wray as Himmelstoss.

    the Erich Maria Remarque  book and 1930 movie had such a powerful anti-war message that both were banned in many European countries, most notably Germany under the NAZI's and Italy under the Facisti, and the film in Austraila. was the first film to truly show "the horrors of war" with the message that there is nothing "heroic" about dying for ones country esp if the war is complete bullshit (which most are)

    it's part of Turner Classic Movies "31 days of Oscar" this month as it won both Best Picture and Best Director in 1930. it's too bad the TCM couldn't show the 1979 "Hallmark Hall of Fame" remake with Richard Thomas as Paul, Ernest Borgnine as "Kat" and Ian Holm as Himmelstoss back-to-back as comparison. it's is also excellent and loses none of the stories power or message.

    it's also a great month for classic Jack Nicholson with Easy Rider, The Last Detail, Five Easy Pieces and, late in the month, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, which many believe is Nicholson's greatest roll EVER (although I'm personally partial to "Badass Buddusky in The Last Detail)

    TCM Febuary Schedule >>> https://www.tcm.com/schedule/month/?cid=N&timezone=EST 

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    on Turner Classic Movies Thursday Febuary 4th @ 7:00 pm pst

    All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) with Lew Ayres as Paul Baumer, Louis Wolheim as "Kat" Katczinsky and John Wray as Himmelstoss.

    the Erich Maria Remarque  book and 1930 movie had such a powerful anti-war message that both were banned in many European countries, most notably Germany under the NAZI's and Italy under the Facisti, and the film in Austraila. was the first film to truly show "the horrors of war" with the message that there is nothing "heroic" about dying for ones country esp if the war is complete bullshit (which most are)

    it's part of Turner Classic Movies "31 days of Oscar" this month as it won both Best Picture and Best Director in 1930. it's too bad the TCM couldn't show the 1979 "Hallmark Hall of Fame" remake with Richard Thomas as Paul, Ernest Borgnine as "Kat" and Ian Holm as Himmelstoss back-to-back as comparison. it's is also excellent and loses none of the stories power or message.

    it's also a great month for classic Jack Nicholson with Easy Rider, The Last Detail, Five Easy Pieces and, late in the month, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, which many believe is Nicholson's greatest roll EVER (although I'm personally partial to "Badass Buddusky in The Last Detail)

    TCM Febuary Schedule >>> https://www.tcm.com/schedule/month/?cid=N&timezone=EST 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2011 - 3:20 PM ET #2

    All Quiet on the Western Front major characters >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Quiet_on_the_Western_Front

    note: WHY they list Corporal Himmelstoss as a "minor character" is beyond me. perhaps he is in the book BUT both John Wray in the 1930 film and Ian Holm in the 1979 remake are major players and essential to the plot line.

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    All Quiet on the Western Front major characters >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Quiet_on_the_Western_Front

    note: WHY they list Corporal Himmelstoss as a "minor character" is beyond me. perhaps he is in the book BUT both John Wray in the 1930 film and Ian Holm in the 1979 remake are major players and essential to the plot line.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 1, 2011 - 3:46 PM ET #3

    Thursday Febuary 4th

    OOPS!!! make that Thursday Febuary 3rd

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    Thursday Febuary 4th

    OOPS!!! make that Thursday Febuary 3rd

     
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    Posted: Mar. 10, 2011 - 1:20 PM ET #4

    screening again Friday March 11th @ 5:00 pm pacific time on TCM
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    screening again Friday March 11th @ 5:00 pm pacific time on TCM
     
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    Posted: Mar. 10, 2011 - 3:10 PM ET #5

    The book was fantastic.
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    The book was fantastic.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 10, 2011 - 6:09 PM ET #6

    LeRink you always have interesting tastes in movies.  Care to answer a couple questions.  (1) What are your top five favorite movies of all time and (2) What are your top five movies in the last decade.  I am really interested in your answers as even though our tastes differ I think our top five would not be that far apart.  BOL!
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    LeRink you always have interesting tastes in movies.  Care to answer a couple questions.  (1) What are your top five favorite movies of all time and (2) What are your top five movies in the last decade.  I am really interested in your answers as even though our tastes differ I think our top five would not be that far apart.  BOL!
     
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    Posted: Mar. 11, 2011 - 12:13 AM ET #7

    ever been pissed that a restaurant doesn't have EXACTLY what you want?....let big Jack show you the way.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtfNE4z6a8
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    ever been pissed that a restaurant doesn't have EXACTLY what you want?....let big Jack show you the way.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtfNE4z6a8
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:

    ever been pissed that a restaurant doesn't have EXACTLY what you want?....let big Jack show you the way.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtfNE4z6a8

    BUT that's about the ONLY scene in "Five Easy Pieces" that's memorable. for me it's the bottom feeeder of Jack Nicholson movies.

    the scene itself is GREAT though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:

    ever been pissed that a restaurant doesn't have EXACTLY what you want?....let big Jack show you the way.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtfNE4z6a8

    BUT that's about the ONLY scene in "Five Easy Pieces" that's memorable. for me it's the bottom feeeder of Jack Nicholson movies.

    the scene itself is GREAT though.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 11, 2011 - 3:39 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:

    LeRink you always have interesting tastes in movies.  Care to answer a couple questions.  (1) What are your top five favorite movies of all time and (2) What are your top five movies in the last decade.  I am really interested in your answers as even though our tastes differ I think our top five would not be that far apart.  BOL!

    all times are pretty easy. the five I can watch over and over again and STILL love them are, in NO particular order....

    Slap Shot (funniest sports themed comedy)

    Let It Ride (funniest gambling themed comedy)

    What's Up, Doc? (funniest "screwball" comedy)

    The Last Detail and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (tie. the BEST of Jack Nicholson)

    The Spirit of St Louis (I have loved this movie since I was a kid)

    honorable mentions to the Godfather series (esp the "Young Vito" parts of GF-2), The Right Stuff, Apocalypse Now, A Clockwork Orange, Catch-22, flying scenes in Top Gun (the rest of the movie is ), All Quite on the Western Front (BOTH the 1930 original AND the 1979 remake), California Split (close 2nd to "Let It Ride" for gambling themed comedy) and the 1955 Richard III with Sir Laurence Olivier

    as for "last decade", I really have to "cheat" and go into the 1990's too. again in NO particular order...

    Snatch (and just about any other Guy Ritchie and/or Jason Statham movie)

    The Hangover (a close 2nd to "What's Up, Doc?" for "screwball" comedy)

    Heat (De Niro, Pacino, Kilmer and Tom Sizemore. how GOOD is THAT? oodles of ordnance in the bank robbery scene 2nd only to "The Wild Bunch")

    Goodfellas (De Niro, Pesci, Liotta and Paul Sorvino. once again, how GOOD is THAT? based on true events about the Paul Vario mafia crew esp the famous 1978 Lufthansa Heist)

    Casino (again it's De Niro and Pesci as real life Lefty Rosenthal and Tony "The Ant" Spilotro. like "Goodfellas", it's a stylized version of real events when the mob controlled the Stardust, Frontier and Fremont Hotel-Casino's back in the 1970's and early 1980's)  btw, BOTH Goodfellas AND Casino have GREAT "music from that era" soundtracks.

    I'm sure I will think of others esp, "last decade", that I forgot. the list is just a quick "off the top" of movies I watch alot when there is nothing better on TV.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:

    LeRink you always have interesting tastes in movies.  Care to answer a couple questions.  (1) What are your top five favorite movies of all time and (2) What are your top five movies in the last decade.  I am really interested in your answers as even though our tastes differ I think our top five would not be that far apart.  BOL!

    all times are pretty easy. the five I can watch over and over again and STILL love them are, in NO particular order....

    Slap Shot (funniest sports themed comedy)

    Let It Ride (funniest gambling themed comedy)

    What's Up, Doc? (funniest "screwball" comedy)

    The Last Detail and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (tie. the BEST of Jack Nicholson)

    The Spirit of St Louis (I have loved this movie since I was a kid)

    honorable mentions to the Godfather series (esp the "Young Vito" parts of GF-2), The Right Stuff, Apocalypse Now, A Clockwork Orange, Catch-22, flying scenes in Top Gun (the rest of the movie is ), All Quite on the Western Front (BOTH the 1930 original AND the 1979 remake), California Split (close 2nd to "Let It Ride" for gambling themed comedy) and the 1955 Richard III with Sir Laurence Olivier

    as for "last decade", I really have to "cheat" and go into the 1990's too. again in NO particular order...

    Snatch (and just about any other Guy Ritchie and/or Jason Statham movie)

    The Hangover (a close 2nd to "What's Up, Doc?" for "screwball" comedy)

    Heat (De Niro, Pacino, Kilmer and Tom Sizemore. how GOOD is THAT? oodles of ordnance in the bank robbery scene 2nd only to "The Wild Bunch")

    Goodfellas (De Niro, Pesci, Liotta and Paul Sorvino. once again, how GOOD is THAT? based on true events about the Paul Vario mafia crew esp the famous 1978 Lufthansa Heist)

    Casino (again it's De Niro and Pesci as real life Lefty Rosenthal and Tony "The Ant" Spilotro. like "Goodfellas", it's a stylized version of real events when the mob controlled the Stardust, Frontier and Fremont Hotel-Casino's back in the 1970's and early 1980's)  btw, BOTH Goodfellas AND Casino have GREAT "music from that era" soundtracks.

    I'm sure I will think of others esp, "last decade", that I forgot. the list is just a quick "off the top" of movies I watch alot when there is nothing better on TV.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 13, 2011 - 3:12 AM ET #10

    i disagree...i think the greatest anti-war movie is hamburger hill (although that wasnt creators intention)....greatest anti war book is without a doubt Johnny got his gun, i read that a month before reporting to basic training !! lmao...the movie was pathetic, left out way to much of the emotion that drains you in book...
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    i disagree...i think the greatest anti-war movie is hamburger hill (although that wasnt creators intention)....greatest anti war book is without a doubt Johnny got his gun, i read that a month before reporting to basic training !! lmao...the movie was pathetic, left out way to much of the emotion that drains you in book...
     
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    i think the greatest anti-war movie is hamburger hill

    I remember seeing Hamburger Hill years ago and have it on my DVR (it's been on some of the movie channels lately) so I will have to view it again BUT I doubt that either the book you mention or Hamburger Hill were ever BANNED because of their anti-war message like All Quiet on the Western Front.

    btw, a VERY under rated "anti-war" movie about Vietnam is The Boys in Company C (1977) which pre-dates all the other Vietnam era movies and first introduced R Lee Ermey to the screen.

    ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_in_Company_%22C%22

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    i think the greatest anti-war movie is hamburger hill

    I remember seeing Hamburger Hill years ago and have it on my DVR (it's been on some of the movie channels lately) so I will have to view it again BUT I doubt that either the book you mention or Hamburger Hill were ever BANNED because of their anti-war message like All Quiet on the Western Front.

    btw, a VERY under rated "anti-war" movie about Vietnam is The Boys in Company C (1977) which pre-dates all the other Vietnam era movies and first introduced R Lee Ermey to the screen.

    ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_in_Company_%22C%22

     
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    Posted: Mar. 13, 2011 - 11:34 AM ET #12

    I prefer paths of glory as my best anti-war movie
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    I prefer paths of glory as my best anti-war movie
     
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    I prefer paths of glory as my best anti-war movie

    probably the best depiction of the total STUPIDITY of General Staffs in WWI. they initially tried to fight a 18th Century war with early 20th Century weapons and MILLIONS got SLAUGHTERED for NOTHING.

    incompetent fools like the British General Douglas "Butcher" Haig and French General Robert Nivelle showed little regard for the safety of their men. in fact, it is speculated that the French attempt to re-capture Fort Douaumont in May of 1916, under the "leadership" of Nivelle, is the model for the attack on "The Ant Hill" in the movie.

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    I prefer paths of glory as my best anti-war movie

    probably the best depiction of the total STUPIDITY of General Staffs in WWI. they initially tried to fight a 18th Century war with early 20th Century weapons and MILLIONS got SLAUGHTERED for NOTHING.

    incompetent fools like the British General Douglas "Butcher" Haig and French General Robert Nivelle showed little regard for the safety of their men. in fact, it is speculated that the French attempt to re-capture Fort Douaumont in May of 1916, under the "leadership" of Nivelle, is the model for the attack on "The Ant Hill" in the movie.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2011 - 2:47 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by ruffcutter2006:

    I prefer paths of glory as my best anti-war movie


    damn fine entry man....

    a few more...

    Dr Strangelove !!!....gotta be top 5
    Joyeux Noel.........true story about a temporary "unofficial" cease fire between Germans/British during WWl along the western front....Christmas Eve 1914 (French also to minor degree) ...their superiors were not pleased
    The Killing Fields...
    Apocalypse Now...

    also....
    Coming Home....with crazy ass Bruce Dern
    Born on the 4th of July....T Cruise/Oliver Stone
    Casualties of War...Brian DePalma / Michael J Fox / Sean Penn
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruffcutter2006:

    I prefer paths of glory as my best anti-war movie


    damn fine entry man....

    a few more...

    Dr Strangelove !!!....gotta be top 5
    Joyeux Noel.........true story about a temporary "unofficial" cease fire between Germans/British during WWl along the western front....Christmas Eve 1914 (French also to minor degree) ...their superiors were not pleased
    The Killing Fields...
    Apocalypse Now...

    also....
    Coming Home....with crazy ass Bruce Dern
    Born on the 4th of July....T Cruise/Oliver Stone
    Casualties of War...Brian DePalma / Michael J Fox / Sean Penn
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2011 - 11:09 AM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:

    i think the greatest anti-war movie is hamburger hill

    I remember seeing Hamburger Hill years ago and have it on my DVR (it's been on some of the movie channels lately) so I will have to view it again BUT I doubt that either the book you mention or Hamburger Hill were ever BANNED because of their anti-war message like All Quiet on the Western Front.

    btw, a VERY under rated "anti-war" movie about Vietnam is The Boys in Company C (1977) which pre-dates all the other Vietnam era movies and first introduced R Lee Ermey to the screen.

    ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_in_Company_%22C%22




    banning something doesn't make it #1..in that case Lady Chatterley's Lover would be best book ever! from what I cant tell the book/movie combination was only banned in 2 countries italy and germany. I like hamburger hill as best ANTI WAR becuase thats NOT intention, but yet an intelligent/sane person would take it for what it is..hundreds of ppl (both sides) dying over a muddy hill that didnt even have a name only a number, and for what? somebodies elses dream (of political domination)?? with most anti war movies they beat u over the egad with the premise "war is bad, its stupid,etc" like I cant think for myself...very rarely is the anti war message put eloquently and profoundly such as with all quite on western front...

      Read Johnny got his gun (forget the movie).
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:

    i think the greatest anti-war movie is hamburger hill

    I remember seeing Hamburger Hill years ago and have it on my DVR (it's been on some of the movie channels lately) so I will have to view it again BUT I doubt that either the book you mention or Hamburger Hill were ever BANNED because of their anti-war message like All Quiet on the Western Front.

    btw, a VERY under rated "anti-war" movie about Vietnam is The Boys in Company C (1977) which pre-dates all the other Vietnam era movies and first introduced R Lee Ermey to the screen.

    ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_in_Company_%22C%22




    banning something doesn't make it #1..in that case Lady Chatterley's Lover would be best book ever! from what I cant tell the book/movie combination was only banned in 2 countries italy and germany. I like hamburger hill as best ANTI WAR becuase thats NOT intention, but yet an intelligent/sane person would take it for what it is..hundreds of ppl (both sides) dying over a muddy hill that didnt even have a name only a number, and for what? somebodies elses dream (of political domination)?? with most anti war movies they beat u over the egad with the premise "war is bad, its stupid,etc" like I cant think for myself...very rarely is the anti war message put eloquently and profoundly such as with all quite on western front...

      Read Johnny got his gun (forget the movie).
     
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    banning something doesn't make it #1..in that case Lady Chatterley's Lover would be best book ever!

    well your comparing apples to oranges. Lady Chatterley's Lover was banned because it was considered "smut". All Quiet on the Western Front, both the book and movie, were banned by Hitler and Mussolini because they were worried it would "sap the fighting spirit" of their populations.

    in any case, we have had a BUNCH of great "anti-war" movies, whether they intentional or not. mentioned. I guess "the all time best" is up to personal taste.

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    banning something doesn't make it #1..in that case Lady Chatterley's Lover would be best book ever!

    well your comparing apples to oranges. Lady Chatterley's Lover was banned because it was considered "smut". All Quiet on the Western Front, both the book and movie, were banned by Hitler and Mussolini because they were worried it would "sap the fighting spirit" of their populations.

    in any case, we have had a BUNCH of great "anti-war" movies, whether they intentional or not. mentioned. I guess "the all time best" is up to personal taste.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by misfit_aka:

    i disagree...i think the greatest anti-war movie is hamburger hill (although that wasnt creators intention)....greatest anti war book is without a doubt Johnny got his gun, i read that a month before reporting to basic training !! lmao...the movie was pathetic, left out way to much of the emotion that drains you in book...

    finally watched Hamburger Hill on EPIX. didn't really think it was so much "anti-war", although it DID show the stupidity of the battle, esp the "friendly fire" where the helo gunships strafed their own troops, as the stupid attitude by many back home in the US toward the troops that was alluded to in the film.

    I was a Naval Aviator back then and it was disgusting

    btw, Courtney Vance was outstanding as "Doc". excellent character actor who was also in Hunt for Red October as Sonar Tech "Jonesey" Jones and The Tuskegee Airmen as cadet L T Glenn, the black former RCAF pilot who had fought in the Battle of Britain. more recently he was a regular on Law & Order: Criminal Intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misfit_aka:

    i disagree...i think the greatest anti-war movie is hamburger hill (although that wasnt creators intention)....greatest anti war book is without a doubt Johnny got his gun, i read that a month before reporting to basic training !! lmao...the movie was pathetic, left out way to much of the emotion that drains you in book...

    finally watched Hamburger Hill on EPIX. didn't really think it was so much "anti-war", although it DID show the stupidity of the battle, esp the "friendly fire" where the helo gunships strafed their own troops, as the stupid attitude by many back home in the US toward the troops that was alluded to in the film.

    I was a Naval Aviator back then and it was disgusting

    btw, Courtney Vance was outstanding as "Doc". excellent character actor who was also in Hunt for Red October as Sonar Tech "Jonesey" Jones and The Tuskegee Airmen as cadet L T Glenn, the black former RCAF pilot who had fought in the Battle of Britain. more recently he was a regular on Law & Order: Criminal Intent.

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2011 - 2:39 PM ET #18

    the classic 1930 All Quiet on the Western Front is on TCM this Memorial Day weekend again @ 10:45 am eastern time Sunday May 29th followed by the Gary Cooper classic Sergeant York.
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    the classic 1930 All Quiet on the Western Front is on TCM this Memorial Day weekend again @ 10:45 am eastern time Sunday May 29th followed by the Gary Cooper classic Sergeant York.
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2011 - 10:32 PM ET #19

    such a great book, i can't bring myself to watch the movie.
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    such a great book, i can't bring myself to watch the movie.
     
     
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    Posted: May. 29, 2011 - 12:10 PM ET #20

    such a great book

    one of three that should be required reading in high school along with The Jungle by Upton Sinclair and 1984 by George Orwell

    i can't bring myself to watch the movie.

    I think you really need to. having read the book, I think you will be impressed by the translation of the story to film and by the acting. the 1930 version esp is historic

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    such a great book

    one of three that should be required reading in high school along with The Jungle by Upton Sinclair and 1984 by George Orwell

    i can't bring myself to watch the movie.

    I think you really need to. having read the book, I think you will be impressed by the translation of the story to film and by the acting. the 1930 version esp is historic

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