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    This is a modified post that I originally typed up in another thread this morning.  For the sixth game in a row, I am on the Washington Nationals.  Big shock.

     

    Mocking the Nationals tonight (get it?) is potentially a big mistake.  In fact, the tens of thousands of sports bettors who've been underestimating the Nats all week have been making terrible, costly mistakes.  A bet against this team tonight is another horrible blunder.  Win or lose, it is the dead wrong play.  Garrett Mock isn't any good, but so what?  In his last start, he put his team in a quick 3-0 hole.  He got a quick hook himself and the team went on to win easily, 8-4.  So what if he puts his team in a hole early on?  All the natty Nats do is come back, baby.  They not only come back, they rally furiously and overwhelm teams!  Frankly, I don't think any comeback will be necessary tonight, anyways. 

    Both of these teams came in to last night's series opener with surprising 5-game winning streaks but terrible records overall.  The D-Backs built themselves a fast 5-0 lead, but like the last three Washington opponents (Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, and Florida), they watched their big lead go up in smoke and ultimately got nipped by a score of 7-6, waving goodbye to their longest win streak of the season.  For a team 10 games under .500 and going nowhere, this was a real downer, and having to come back to face these resilient Nationals as -200 favorites is a complete joke, in my opinion.

    No one should want to mess with these red-hot Nats right now, especially when they're playing a team that just let one get away.  Check out what the Nats have done in just the last two weeks:

     

    On July 27th, the Brewers took an early 2-0 lead on the Nats before Washington buried them with 13 runs in the 5th and 6th innings.  The next day, the Nats blew them out as +175 dogs.

    Last Saturday, the Pirates carried a 2-1 lead into the 7th inning before giving it up and losing, 5-3.  The next day, they built that 3-0 lead against Garrett Mock.  Mock was removed after just 4 innings and the Nats, getting +140, went on to paste the Pirates, 8-4. 

    On Monday, off another comeback win, the Nationals fell way behind Josh Johnson and the Marlins.  They looked completely handcuffed until the 8th inning when they busted out the whooping sticks and shocked Florida with a 6-run rally.  Off of that glorious comeback as +170 barking dogs, the Nats won again the next day.

    On Thursday, the Nationals weak starting pitching again got them stuck early on, this time 6-0!  No problem!  The powerhouse Nationals battered the stunned Marlins for 12 runs in their last five at-bats to win going away, 12-8, this time cashing a crazy +160 ticket.

     

    So, are you ready to invest in the Nats?  Wait!  Don't answer!  Because there's more!  Last night, another crappy pitcher got the Nationals down big again, this time 5-0 in the 2nd inning.  Well, that was cake.  The Nats put up seven runs later on and won again.

    After all of these confidence-building wins, it's silly to doubt this team tonight.  They not only believe they can compete, they also feel like they're never out of a game.  They're up against Dan Haren tonight, but that's no reason to be scared away.  Okay, quick question - who's allowed more earned runs in his last three starts, Haren or Garrett Mock?  No, it's Dan Haren.  See, that was a trick question.

     

    The price on this game was so wacky that it did something a Nationals line seldom does.  It came down.  Early this morning, Arizona was -215 and Washington was +197 at Pinnacle.  Now the Nats can be had for +180 or maybe a little better.  That's still a very phat price for a red-hot home team that I personally consider to be the favorite in this game.  I've also got some action on the alternate runline at +410 and +385, but not very much.  Seems the alternate runline has been hit hard, which doesn't take very much money to do.

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    This is a modified post that I originally typed up in another thread this morning.  For the sixth game in a row, I am on the Washington Nationals.  Big shock.

     

    Mocking the Nationals tonight (get it?) is potentially a big mistake.  In fact, the tens of thousands of sports bettors who've been underestimating the Nats all week have been making terrible, costly mistakes.  A bet against this team tonight is another horrible blunder.  Win or lose, it is the dead wrong play.  Garrett Mock isn't any good, but so what?  In his last start, he put his team in a quick 3-0 hole.  He got a quick hook himself and the team went on to win easily, 8-4.  So what if he puts his team in a hole early on?  All the natty Nats do is come back, baby.  They not only come back, they rally furiously and overwhelm teams!  Frankly, I don't think any comeback will be necessary tonight, anyways. 

    Both of these teams came in to last night's series opener with surprising 5-game winning streaks but terrible records overall.  The D-Backs built themselves a fast 5-0 lead, but like the last three Washington opponents (Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, and Florida), they watched their big lead go up in smoke and ultimately got nipped by a score of 7-6, waving goodbye to their longest win streak of the season.  For a team 10 games under .500 and going nowhere, this was a real downer, and having to come back to face these resilient Nationals as -200 favorites is a complete joke, in my opinion.

    No one should want to mess with these red-hot Nats right now, especially when they're playing a team that just let one get away.  Check out what the Nats have done in just the last two weeks:

     

    On July 27th, the Brewers took an early 2-0 lead on the Nats before Washington buried them with 13 runs in the 5th and 6th innings.  The next day, the Nats blew them out as +175 dogs.

    Last Saturday, the Pirates carried a 2-1 lead into the 7th inning before giving it up and losing, 5-3.  The next day, they built that 3-0 lead against Garrett Mock.  Mock was removed after just 4 innings and the Nats, getting +140, went on to paste the Pirates, 8-4. 

    On Monday, off another comeback win, the Nationals fell way behind Josh Johnson and the Marlins.  They looked completely handcuffed until the 8th inning when they busted out the whooping sticks and shocked Florida with a 6-run rally.  Off of that glorious comeback as +170 barking dogs, the Nats won again the next day.

    On Thursday, the Nationals weak starting pitching again got them stuck early on, this time 6-0!  No problem!  The powerhouse Nationals battered the stunned Marlins for 12 runs in their last five at-bats to win going away, 12-8, this time cashing a crazy +160 ticket.

     

    So, are you ready to invest in the Nats?  Wait!  Don't answer!  Because there's more!  Last night, another crappy pitcher got the Nationals down big again, this time 5-0 in the 2nd inning.  Well, that was cake.  The Nats put up seven runs later on and won again.

    After all of these confidence-building wins, it's silly to doubt this team tonight.  They not only believe they can compete, they also feel like they're never out of a game.  They're up against Dan Haren tonight, but that's no reason to be scared away.  Okay, quick question - who's allowed more earned runs in his last three starts, Haren or Garrett Mock?  No, it's Dan Haren.  See, that was a trick question.

     

    The price on this game was so wacky that it did something a Nationals line seldom does.  It came down.  Early this morning, Arizona was -215 and Washington was +197 at Pinnacle.  Now the Nats can be had for +180 or maybe a little better.  That's still a very phat price for a red-hot home team that I personally consider to be the favorite in this game.  I've also got some action on the alternate runline at +410 and +385, but not very much.  Seems the alternate runline has been hit hard, which doesn't take very much money to do.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 6:09 PM ET #2

    Some say that Tampa Bay is for real, but Tampa Bay ain't for real on the road.  They're 24-31 away from the Trop, and tonight they're laying -145 to a Mariners team that's a very respectable 28-22 at home.  This already has the makings of a bad play.  When you consider how last night's game ultimately unfolded, a play on the Rays tonight makes even less sense.  Last night the Rays suffered one of those losses that makes you feel like you lost twice.  They methodically built up a 5-1 lead against Seatle's ace, but the bullpen failed and allowed Seattle to tie.  Into extra innings they went, where President Bartlett homered in the 11th to seemingly win the game, only to have their hearts ripped out with two outs and two strikes by a two-run blast by the immortal Ryan Langerhans.  Ouch.  Bigtime ouch! 

    Tonight, the Rays try to put the pieces back together with James Shields pitching.  Shields is terrific, but I have to wonder if he's not still thinking about what happened last Sunday.  There he was, on the Tropicana Field pitching mound, enjoying a pleasant afternoon as he steamed through the impotent Kansas City lineup, carrying a no-hitter into the top of the 8th, all the while wondering when his team was going to bother to score a run themselves (the game was scoreless after seven innings).  But instead of making history that day, Shields was sitting in the clubhouse a half hour later, trying to figure out how the hell he just took a loss as a -250 favorite.  He had to be dwelling on that awful turn of events every day this week.  Who wouldn't?

    About tonight's Mariners starter Ian Snell - Snell has started ten games this season, and six of those starts were quality starts, including his only start for the Mariners.  Good enough for me!  That's evidence enough that he can deal with the discouraged Rays, who've blown quite a few leads on the road this season and in almost every instance, when playing the same team the next day, responded with another loss.  Sign me up for Mariners as home dogs on Saturday night.

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    Some say that Tampa Bay is for real, but Tampa Bay ain't for real on the road.  They're 24-31 away from the Trop, and tonight they're laying -145 to a Mariners team that's a very respectable 28-22 at home.  This already has the makings of a bad play.  When you consider how last night's game ultimately unfolded, a play on the Rays tonight makes even less sense.  Last night the Rays suffered one of those losses that makes you feel like you lost twice.  They methodically built up a 5-1 lead against Seatle's ace, but the bullpen failed and allowed Seattle to tie.  Into extra innings they went, where President Bartlett homered in the 11th to seemingly win the game, only to have their hearts ripped out with two outs and two strikes by a two-run blast by the immortal Ryan Langerhans.  Ouch.  Bigtime ouch! 

    Tonight, the Rays try to put the pieces back together with James Shields pitching.  Shields is terrific, but I have to wonder if he's not still thinking about what happened last Sunday.  There he was, on the Tropicana Field pitching mound, enjoying a pleasant afternoon as he steamed through the impotent Kansas City lineup, carrying a no-hitter into the top of the 8th, all the while wondering when his team was going to bother to score a run themselves (the game was scoreless after seven innings).  But instead of making history that day, Shields was sitting in the clubhouse a half hour later, trying to figure out how the hell he just took a loss as a -250 favorite.  He had to be dwelling on that awful turn of events every day this week.  Who wouldn't?

    About tonight's Mariners starter Ian Snell - Snell has started ten games this season, and six of those starts were quality starts, including his only start for the Mariners.  Good enough for me!  That's evidence enough that he can deal with the discouraged Rays, who've blown quite a few leads on the road this season and in almost every instance, when playing the same team the next day, responded with another loss.  Sign me up for Mariners as home dogs on Saturday night.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 6:10 PM ET #3

    On the you're Nationals with you buddy, Lets get it!
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 6:11 PM ET #5

    Against you on both, but I can't fault your logic.
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 6:11 PM ET #6

    Like the idea of fading Shields on the road. BOL Bator
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 6:11 PM ET #7

    im on the nats also..not big though
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 6:12 PM ET #8

    Bator how big are these plays. Im lookin to unload on something,,
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 6:14 PM ET #9

    I had Seatle last night...Lucky to have won,taking Shields to get them back on track,Your spot on,about teams having a hard time recovering,but I'm stubborn as hell....
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 6:16 PM ET #10

    Ahh another underscore fool who wont show there face
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    Quote Originally Posted by ______________-:

    so shields is suppose to feel bad forever because he gave up a couple hits his last outing? only a depressed loser like you would cry everyday and your logic sucks

     

    haha, only 10 post in and this box had enough time to make a new screen name, b/c he's too big a puss to say it with his original name! 

    wow, how fast do these guys get verified??!!

     

     

    BOL Bator!! gonna jump on the natty nats tonight with ya!

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    so shields is suppose to feel bad forever because he gave up a couple hits his last outing? only a depressed loser like you would cry everyday and your logic sucks

     

    haha, only 10 post in and this box had enough time to make a new screen name, b/c he's too big a puss to say it with his original name! 

    wow, how fast do these guys get verified??!!

     

     

    BOL Bator!! gonna jump on the natty nats tonight with ya!

     
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     You have me sold on the Nats. in fact i did get to watch them as they battled the mighty bucs not long ago..  I know what your referring to as far as the Nats ability to come back  is concerned. they light up in a hurry and probubly play most of their games in that mindset so ........Sign me up..
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     You have me sold on the Nats. in fact i did get to watch them as they battled the mighty bucs not long ago..  I know what your referring to as far as the Nats ability to come back  is concerned. they light up in a hurry and probubly play most of their games in that mindset so ........Sign me up..
     
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    good luck brother lets CASSHHHH!!!!!!
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    Get some of that +355 on the Alternate RL for Wash on MB!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

    Some say that Tampa Bay is for real, but Tampa Bay ain't for real on the road.  They're 24-31 away from the Trop, and tonight they're laying -145 to a Mariners team that's a very respectable 28-22 at home.  This already has the makings of a bad play.  When you consider how last night's game ultimately unfolded, a play on the Rays tonight makes even less sense.  Last night the Rays suffered one of those losses that makes you feel like you lost twice.  They methodically built up a 5-1 lead against Seatle's ace, but the bullpen failed and allowed Seattle to tie.  Into extra innings they went, where President Bartlett homered in the 11th to seemingly win the game, only to have their hearts ripped out with two outs and two strikes by a two-run blast by the immortal Ryan Langerhans.  Ouch.  Bigtime ouch! 

    Tonight, the Rays try to put the pieces back together with James Shields pitching.  Shields is terrific, but I have to wonder if he's not still thinking about what happened last Sunday.  There he was, on the Tropicana Field pitching mound, enjoying a pleasant afternoon as he steamed through the impotent Kansas City lineup, carrying a no-hitter into the top of the 8th, all the while wondering when his team was going to bother to score a run themselves (the game was scoreless after seven innings).  But instead of making history that day, Shields was sitting in the clubhouse a half hour later, trying to figure out how the hell he just took a loss as a -250 favorite.  He had to be dwelling on that awful turn of events every day this week.  Who wouldn't?

    About tonight's Mariners starter Ian Snell - Snell has started ten games this season, and six of those starts were quality starts, including his only start for the Mariners.  Good enough for me!  That's evidence enough that he can deal with the discouraged Rays, who've blown quite a few leads on the road this season and in almost every instance, when playing the same team the next day, responded with another loss.  Sign me up for Mariners as home dogs on Saturday night.

     

    Anytime I can fade Shields on the road I do.....Especially at this price.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

    Some say that Tampa Bay is for real, but Tampa Bay ain't for real on the road.  They're 24-31 away from the Trop, and tonight they're laying -145 to a Mariners team that's a very respectable 28-22 at home.  This already has the makings of a bad play.  When you consider how last night's game ultimately unfolded, a play on the Rays tonight makes even less sense.  Last night the Rays suffered one of those losses that makes you feel like you lost twice.  They methodically built up a 5-1 lead against Seatle's ace, but the bullpen failed and allowed Seattle to tie.  Into extra innings they went, where President Bartlett homered in the 11th to seemingly win the game, only to have their hearts ripped out with two outs and two strikes by a two-run blast by the immortal Ryan Langerhans.  Ouch.  Bigtime ouch! 

    Tonight, the Rays try to put the pieces back together with James Shields pitching.  Shields is terrific, but I have to wonder if he's not still thinking about what happened last Sunday.  There he was, on the Tropicana Field pitching mound, enjoying a pleasant afternoon as he steamed through the impotent Kansas City lineup, carrying a no-hitter into the top of the 8th, all the while wondering when his team was going to bother to score a run themselves (the game was scoreless after seven innings).  But instead of making history that day, Shields was sitting in the clubhouse a half hour later, trying to figure out how the hell he just took a loss as a -250 favorite.  He had to be dwelling on that awful turn of events every day this week.  Who wouldn't?

    About tonight's Mariners starter Ian Snell - Snell has started ten games this season, and six of those starts were quality starts, including his only start for the Mariners.  Good enough for me!  That's evidence enough that he can deal with the discouraged Rays, who've blown quite a few leads on the road this season and in almost every instance, when playing the same team the next day, responded with another loss.  Sign me up for Mariners as home dogs on Saturday night.

     

    Anytime I can fade Shields on the road I do.....Especially at this price.....

     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 6:34 PM ET #16

    Here's what I've got so far:
     
     
     
    Washington +190 in the first 5 innings risking 4 units
     
    Washington +.5 +130 in the first 5 innings risking 4 units
     
    Washington +180 risking 5 units
     
    Washington +1.5 +110 risking 3 units
     
    Washington -1.5 +395 risking 1 unit
     
     
     
     
    I wasn't planning on betting the first 5 innings or the +1.5 for the game, but when good numbers appear, I grab them.  It's like an impulse purchase.  They were right next to the register, so......
     
     
    I'm risking a lot on this game, but don't think that to mean this is a megaslam super duper send-it-in lock winner.  Understand that I've won five days in a row with these guys, and I really like the situation tonight, so I feel that it's worth a stretch.  I'm literally playing with house money that the Nats have converted into my money.
     
     
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    Here's what I've got so far:
     
     
     
    Washington +190 in the first 5 innings risking 4 units
     
    Washington +.5 +130 in the first 5 innings risking 4 units
     
    Washington +180 risking 5 units
     
    Washington +1.5 +110 risking 3 units
     
    Washington -1.5 +395 risking 1 unit
     
     
     
     
    I wasn't planning on betting the first 5 innings or the +1.5 for the game, but when good numbers appear, I grab them.  It's like an impulse purchase.  They were right next to the register, so......
     
     
    I'm risking a lot on this game, but don't think that to mean this is a megaslam super duper send-it-in lock winner.  Understand that I've won five days in a row with these guys, and I really like the situation tonight, so I feel that it's worth a stretch.  I'm literally playing with house money that the Nats have converted into my money.
     
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 6:34 PM ET #17

    Good Luck with those Nats, agree about a few things on Rays/M's except tonights winner.
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    Good Luck with those Nats, agree about a few things on Rays/M's except tonights winner.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 6:38 PM ET #18

    Bator,
     
    Thanks for your posts. Glad to see you on a regular basis. I know you usually stay away from favs, but there are 2 I'm looking at just wanted any opinion you had on the two. I was looking at Det and Phila tonight?  
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    Bator,
     
    Thanks for your posts. Glad to see you on a regular basis. I know you usually stay away from favs, but there are 2 I'm looking at just wanted any opinion you had on the two. I was looking at Det and Phila tonight?  
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 6:39 PM ET #19

    Goodluck.

    I had the Bosox thursday..  in every way.. goodluck, i hope things work out better for you..

    Only thing that worries me is the Haren effect.

    i'll be staying away

    BOL
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    Goodluck.

    I had the Bosox thursday..  in every way.. goodluck, i hope things work out better for you..

    Only thing that worries me is the Haren effect.

    i'll be staying away

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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 6:42 PM ET #20

    why is there so much value on the nats, if there wasnt that much value id totally agree but a team winning 6 in a row having that much value tells u something
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    why is there so much value on the nats, if there wasnt that much value id totally agree but a team winning 6 in a row having that much value tells u something
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 6:45 PM ET #21

    MrBator,

    I'm with you on the Nats.

    Haren's career ERA for the month of August = 4.57 (worst ERA for a given month during the season)

    Haren's numbers should continue to balloon as he is facing the hottest hitting team in baseball that could make any pitcher look silly.

    Good luck

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    MrBator,

    I'm with you on the Nats.

    Haren's career ERA for the month of August = 4.57 (worst ERA for a given month during the season)

    Haren's numbers should continue to balloon as he is facing the hottest hitting team in baseball that could make any pitcher look silly.

    Good luck

     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 6:45 PM ET #22

    agree with your fg nationals..but i dont know about 1st half bro..
     
    gl with that
     
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    agree with your fg nationals..but i dont know about 1st half bro..
     
    gl with that
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 6:48 PM ET #23

    nats and over here and twins and over
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    nats and over here and twins and over
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 6:48 PM ET #24

    keep them coming Bator!
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    keep them coming Bator!
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 6:50 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by italiano17:

    why is there so much value on the nats, if there wasnt that much value id totally agree but a team winning 6 in a row having that much value tells u something

    Dan Haren is the reason.  Check his numbers...he is a stellar pitcher going up against the team with the worst record in baseball.  Dan Haren's career record against the Nats is 2-1 with an ERA of 1.96 and a WHIP of 0.91.  Of course the oddsmakers are going to heavily favor the Dbacks.  Needless to say though, no one should give up on the Nats right now.  They are on a ridiculous hot streak and are defending their home field.  That is a lethal combination.  


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    why is there so much value on the nats, if there wasnt that much value id totally agree but a team winning 6 in a row having that much value tells u something

    Dan Haren is the reason.  Check his numbers...he is a stellar pitcher going up against the team with the worst record in baseball.  Dan Haren's career record against the Nats is 2-1 with an ERA of 1.96 and a WHIP of 0.91.  Of course the oddsmakers are going to heavily favor the Dbacks.  Needless to say though, no one should give up on the Nats right now.  They are on a ridiculous hot streak and are defending their home field.  That is a lethal combination.  


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