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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2011 - 7:14 PM ET #1

    I gamble for a living.  Lots of folks think that is glamorous, easy, and carefree.  It is none of those.  The only thing that longterm gambling winners have in common is discipline, and discipline is not glamorous, easy, or carefree.  This is not a post about gambling, but about lifestyle – an ingredient that is most important in making a career in gambling.

     

    I have been doing this seriously for about 10 years now.  Eight years ago – a typical question in the Vanzack household from my wife was “why cant I buy a (insert expensive luxury item here) when you just had 10 grand on a dozen football games”.  Most of the time, I didn’t have a good answer, and most of the time, I spent the money.

     

    Fast forward to a much smarter (some might say cheaper) – but definitely more experienced gambler – and things are much different.  These days everything is budgeted in my house, even when it doesn’t need to be.  I know when the year begins how much money I have to make to break even, and I know what I have to make to save money.  There is no extravagant spending – and everyone is much happier.

     

    So I began to introspect about how spending less could make everyone less stressed, and more happy.  The answers I came to are simple:  when you gamble for a living, it appears easy and fast, and you don’t feel like you truly have EARNED the money – so therefore it is very easy to fall in to a frivolous lifestyle.  When you go to work and sit there for 40 hours a week – you know exactly the cost of spending money on a luxury – it is time – more time in front of that computer that you hate.  But if money comes to you easily, life becomes much more stressful – because it is almost impossible to make good decisions on spending precisely because of the way you made the money.  And unless that easy money train is constant and endless, eventually there is a train wreck.

     

    What I learned is that my early years were unsustainable.  If money was to be spent freely because money was being wagered freely – I had to change that equation.  So I made myself do work – and a lot of time work I didn’t like – to improve at my craft.  So where I used to spend 5 hours a week handicapping, I made myself do 40 – to the point of revulsion.  Now when my wife came to me with that question I had an easy answer, and I felt good about it – more spending meant more time.  It all boils down to time.  So your profitability gets better because you are forcing yourself to spend more time perfecting it, your spending goes down, and everyone is happier.

     

    I kind of understand now how windfall situations like inheritances and lottery winners fuck up their whole life.  There is no value to the money because it came easily.  And gambling is a very easy way to make short term easy money.  I force myself to be on a budget because it makes everyone in my family happier – not because we necessarily have to – but everyone is less stressed – something that is totally counterintuitive.  You would think that free and easy spending is happiness – but I found the exact opposite.

     

    Now they know that when I am watching games, or crunching numbers, or line shopping on the computer for hours on end – it is a direct correlation to their budgeted expenditures – if I don’t spend that time – there is no stuff – and that creates a sense of value and happiness.  I would have never guessed that the manner of making the money is more important than the actual money made, and unless you set yourself up to earn it, there is no value.

     

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    I gamble for a living.  Lots of folks think that is glamorous, easy, and carefree.  It is none of those.  The only thing that longterm gambling winners have in common is discipline, and discipline is not glamorous, easy, or carefree.  This is not a post about gambling, but about lifestyle – an ingredient that is most important in making a career in gambling.

     

    I have been doing this seriously for about 10 years now.  Eight years ago – a typical question in the Vanzack household from my wife was “why cant I buy a (insert expensive luxury item here) when you just had 10 grand on a dozen football games”.  Most of the time, I didn’t have a good answer, and most of the time, I spent the money.

     

    Fast forward to a much smarter (some might say cheaper) – but definitely more experienced gambler – and things are much different.  These days everything is budgeted in my house, even when it doesn’t need to be.  I know when the year begins how much money I have to make to break even, and I know what I have to make to save money.  There is no extravagant spending – and everyone is much happier.

     

    So I began to introspect about how spending less could make everyone less stressed, and more happy.  The answers I came to are simple:  when you gamble for a living, it appears easy and fast, and you don’t feel like you truly have EARNED the money – so therefore it is very easy to fall in to a frivolous lifestyle.  When you go to work and sit there for 40 hours a week – you know exactly the cost of spending money on a luxury – it is time – more time in front of that computer that you hate.  But if money comes to you easily, life becomes much more stressful – because it is almost impossible to make good decisions on spending precisely because of the way you made the money.  And unless that easy money train is constant and endless, eventually there is a train wreck.

     

    What I learned is that my early years were unsustainable.  If money was to be spent freely because money was being wagered freely – I had to change that equation.  So I made myself do work – and a lot of time work I didn’t like – to improve at my craft.  So where I used to spend 5 hours a week handicapping, I made myself do 40 – to the point of revulsion.  Now when my wife came to me with that question I had an easy answer, and I felt good about it – more spending meant more time.  It all boils down to time.  So your profitability gets better because you are forcing yourself to spend more time perfecting it, your spending goes down, and everyone is happier.

     

    I kind of understand now how windfall situations like inheritances and lottery winners fuck up their whole life.  There is no value to the money because it came easily.  And gambling is a very easy way to make short term easy money.  I force myself to be on a budget because it makes everyone in my family happier – not because we necessarily have to – but everyone is less stressed – something that is totally counterintuitive.  You would think that free and easy spending is happiness – but I found the exact opposite.

     

    Now they know that when I am watching games, or crunching numbers, or line shopping on the computer for hours on end – it is a direct correlation to their budgeted expenditures – if I don’t spend that time – there is no stuff – and that creates a sense of value and happiness.  I would have never guessed that the manner of making the money is more important than the actual money made, and unless you set yourself up to earn it, there is no value.

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2011 - 7:19 PM ET #2

    Good read...
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    Good read...
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2011 - 7:38 PM ET #3

    Great read Van.  How did you originally have a bankroll to be betting thousands on games?  Did you work a different job before you started gambling for a living?
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    Great read Van.  How did you originally have a bankroll to be betting thousands on games?  Did you work a different job before you started gambling for a living?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:

    Great read Van.  How did you originally have a bankroll to be betting thousands on games?  Did you work a different job before you started gambling for a living?

    I was an executive at a large electronics firm.  I made decent money for a number of years.  I always spent below my means (except for those first few years that I was gambling for a living).

    I remember the moment.  I was in a meeting (typical douchebag meeting about TPS reports) and I knew I had had it.  That was it.  I literally walked out, and made my plan, and quit by the end of the day.  I was either going to find something I liked to do and do it - or I was going to try my only real skill in life which is calculated risk taking.

    So I made a business plan, took 6 months to prepare, and did it.  I made an initial investment in my business of 250K, and drew the line there - I could either buy a Moes or Subway or I could try this out.  That was right about the year 2000.  I have no regrets - but wish I knew what I knew now back then - I feel like I have just gotten in a serious unstoppable groove - and on the other side the whole gambling landscape is imploding - leaving me very few vehicles to practice my craft.

    But I am patient and waiting it out.  Things are bound to get better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:

    Great read Van.  How did you originally have a bankroll to be betting thousands on games?  Did you work a different job before you started gambling for a living?

    I was an executive at a large electronics firm.  I made decent money for a number of years.  I always spent below my means (except for those first few years that I was gambling for a living).

    I remember the moment.  I was in a meeting (typical douchebag meeting about TPS reports) and I knew I had had it.  That was it.  I literally walked out, and made my plan, and quit by the end of the day.  I was either going to find something I liked to do and do it - or I was going to try my only real skill in life which is calculated risk taking.

    So I made a business plan, took 6 months to prepare, and did it.  I made an initial investment in my business of 250K, and drew the line there - I could either buy a Moes or Subway or I could try this out.  That was right about the year 2000.  I have no regrets - but wish I knew what I knew now back then - I feel like I have just gotten in a serious unstoppable groove - and on the other side the whole gambling landscape is imploding - leaving me very few vehicles to practice my craft.

    But I am patient and waiting it out.  Things are bound to get better.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2011 - 7:54 PM ET #5

    Van, what site are you currently wagering with? I know that you were big with matchbook at onetime.
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    Van, what site are you currently wagering with? I know that you were big with matchbook at onetime.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2011 - 7:55 PM ET #6

    Boy Van, I sure hope things do get better in the future... what makes you so optimistic given the current climate?
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    Boy Van, I sure hope things do get better in the future... what makes you so optimistic given the current climate?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2011 - 7:57 PM ET #7

    Van,

    are you still just playing soccer?

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    Van,

    are you still just playing soccer?

     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2011 - 8:13 PM ET #8


    Discipline


    That ONE WORD cost me a lot of money in my earlier years.

    Good read Van, thx for sharing.
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    Discipline


    That ONE WORD cost me a lot of money in my earlier years.

    Good read Van, thx for sharing.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2011 - 8:23 PM ET #9

    Smart Chinese man says "he who stands on toilet, is high on pot"

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    Smart Chinese man says "he who stands on toilet, is high on pot"

     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2011 - 8:26 PM ET #10

    Van please accept my Friend Request.  Want to PM you.
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2011 - 8:29 PM ET #11

    Was marriage the biggest gamble of all? 

      
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    Was marriage the biggest gamble of all? 

      
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2011 - 8:32 PM ET #12

    Van, 

    I assume you gambled while working your corporate job. Were you profitable during those times or did you just know that if you could devote all your time to gambling that you could become profitable?
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    Van, 

    I assume you gambled while working your corporate job. Were you profitable during those times or did you just know that if you could devote all your time to gambling that you could become profitable?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2011 - 8:37 PM ET #13

    Yeah, but how do you get any amount of money down these days? And what makes you think the climate is going to improve? I don't see that, I only think it's going to get worse.

    I haven't made a real wager of any significance since Matchbook closed.

    Seems pointless.
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    Yeah, but how do you get any amount of money down these days? And what makes you think the climate is going to improve? I don't see that, I only think it's going to get worse.

    I haven't made a real wager of any significance since Matchbook closed.

    Seems pointless.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2011 - 8:38 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by JimRockford:

    Van, what site are you currently wagering with? I know that you were big with matchbook at onetime.

    Matchbook, Pinnacle, and Betfair - and nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimRockford:

    Van, what site are you currently wagering with? I know that you were big with matchbook at onetime.

    Matchbook, Pinnacle, and Betfair - and nothing else.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Boy Van, I sure hope things do get better in the future... what makes you so optimistic given the current climate?

    Definition of the word "future".  Maybe I have a longer time horizon.  When I say future, I mean 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Boy Van, I sure hope things do get better in the future... what makes you so optimistic given the current climate?

    Definition of the word "future".  Maybe I have a longer time horizon.  When I say future, I mean 5 years.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2011 - 8:39 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by JimRockford:

    Van,

    are you still just playing soccer?

    It is my bread and butter.

    Won very big with Mexico the other day, posted it in the soccer forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimRockford:

    Van,

    are you still just playing soccer?

    It is my bread and butter.

    Won very big with Mexico the other day, posted it in the soccer forum.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2011 - 8:40 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    Discipline


    That ONE WORD cost me a lot of money in my earlier years.

    Good read Van, thx for sharing.

    Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    Discipline


    That ONE WORD cost me a lot of money in my earlier years.

    Good read Van, thx for sharing.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2011 - 8:41 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by dopalicous:

    Smart Chinese man says "he who stands on toilet, is high on pot"

    If that is true, Im going to go stand on a toilet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dopalicous:

    Smart Chinese man says "he who stands on toilet, is high on pot"

    If that is true, Im going to go stand on a toilet.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2011 - 8:41 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by vegasrebel417:

    Was marriage the biggest gamble of all? 

      

    As it turns out, the only sure thing in my life.

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    Was marriage the biggest gamble of all? 

      

    As it turns out, the only sure thing in my life.

     
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    well said  best of luck with your plays in the future
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    Quote Originally Posted by yuice20:

    Van, 

    I assume you gambled while working your corporate job. Were you profitable during those times or did you just know that if you could devote all your time to gambling that you could become profitable?

    Good question.

    I was gambling, but like a typical moron.  But then the time equation I talked about kicked in - I couldnt stand knowing that I worked the whole day to blow it on a game that night - for no reason.  So I wasnt profitable, but had a feeling of how to be profitable.  I did not have a single profitable season in the 20 or so before I decided to get serious about it.

    But I knew how to do it - studied how to do it - and buckled down.  And back then, you had tons of ways to make money - it wasnt like it is today - you had neteller, Mansion etc - just giving money away.  I didnt take enough advantage - and that is what I mean by "if I only knew then what I knew now...." - I should have made much more.  But that is all part of the learning process.

    Im just pissed that now that I feel like I have my PHD - there is no hospital to practice at.

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    Van, 

    I assume you gambled while working your corporate job. Were you profitable during those times or did you just know that if you could devote all your time to gambling that you could become profitable?

    Good question.

    I was gambling, but like a typical moron.  But then the time equation I talked about kicked in - I couldnt stand knowing that I worked the whole day to blow it on a game that night - for no reason.  So I wasnt profitable, but had a feeling of how to be profitable.  I did not have a single profitable season in the 20 or so before I decided to get serious about it.

    But I knew how to do it - studied how to do it - and buckled down.  And back then, you had tons of ways to make money - it wasnt like it is today - you had neteller, Mansion etc - just giving money away.  I didnt take enough advantage - and that is what I mean by "if I only knew then what I knew now...." - I should have made much more.  But that is all part of the learning process.

    Im just pissed that now that I feel like I have my PHD - there is no hospital to practice at.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant:

    Yeah, but how do you get any amount of money down these days? And what makes you think the climate is going to improve? I don't see that, I only think it's going to get worse.

    I haven't made a real wager of any significance since Matchbook closed.

    Seems pointless.

    I agree.  I only bet real money on soccer right now.  Football will probably be a pass this year - which is unbelievable for me to say.  I am willing to wait it out - but I have no insight in to why it will get better other than my own feeling that it seems impossible that money wont drive the situation for those in charge.

    It does seem pointless, and I am bored a lot.  My balances at books is laughably low.  But I do have the infrastructure in place to bet at pinnacle mb and betfair - but honestly - I have said it before and I will say it again - I am not a good enough capper to be a "crystal ball" guy - I make money through all kinds of ways - and all of those ways require a true open marketplace with free movement of money - which isnt available right now.

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    Yeah, but how do you get any amount of money down these days? And what makes you think the climate is going to improve? I don't see that, I only think it's going to get worse.

    I haven't made a real wager of any significance since Matchbook closed.

    Seems pointless.

    I agree.  I only bet real money on soccer right now.  Football will probably be a pass this year - which is unbelievable for me to say.  I am willing to wait it out - but I have no insight in to why it will get better other than my own feeling that it seems impossible that money wont drive the situation for those in charge.

    It does seem pointless, and I am bored a lot.  My balances at books is laughably low.  But I do have the infrastructure in place to bet at pinnacle mb and betfair - but honestly - I have said it before and I will say it again - I am not a good enough capper to be a "crystal ball" guy - I make money through all kinds of ways - and all of those ways require a true open marketplace with free movement of money - which isnt available right now.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    I agree.  I only bet real money on soccer right now.  Football will probably be a pass this year - which is unbelievable for me to say.  I am willing to wait it out - but I have no insight in to why it will get better other than my own feeling that it seems impossible that money wont drive the situation for those in charge.

    It does seem pointless, and I am bored a lot.  My balances at books is laughably low.  But I do have the infrastructure in place to bet at pinnacle mb and betfair - but honestly - I have said it before and I will say it again - I am not a good enough capper to be a "crystal ball" guy - I make money through all kinds of ways - and all of those ways require a true open marketplace with free movement of money - which isnt available right now.


    I know you've mentioned that you make money in a variety of ways, buying and selling, etc., but if you are set up with those 3 books, what makes you feel you couldn't be profitable with a segment or two of your gambling.  Is the liquidity not there?  I haven't even looked at Matchbook since they fled the US.
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    I agree.  I only bet real money on soccer right now.  Football will probably be a pass this year - which is unbelievable for me to say.  I am willing to wait it out - but I have no insight in to why it will get better other than my own feeling that it seems impossible that money wont drive the situation for those in charge.

    It does seem pointless, and I am bored a lot.  My balances at books is laughably low.  But I do have the infrastructure in place to bet at pinnacle mb and betfair - but honestly - I have said it before and I will say it again - I am not a good enough capper to be a "crystal ball" guy - I make money through all kinds of ways - and all of those ways require a true open marketplace with free movement of money - which isnt available right now.


    I know you've mentioned that you make money in a variety of ways, buying and selling, etc., but if you are set up with those 3 books, what makes you feel you couldn't be profitable with a segment or two of your gambling.  Is the liquidity not there?  I haven't even looked at Matchbook since they fled the US.
     
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    Good info Van

    I always figured it must be more stressful being a pro gambler than a recreational punter like most of us are here, as you tend to bet a lot more when you're pro (and also don't forget having to deduct your rent/mortgage,food,clothing etc from your winnings).
    It must be real pressure looking at odds/lines on games week in week out knowing you HAVE to win in order to make a living.

    btw .. More info on Vanzack in this thread  here   everybody

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    Good info Van

    I always figured it must be more stressful being a pro gambler than a recreational punter like most of us are here, as you tend to bet a lot more when you're pro (and also don't forget having to deduct your rent/mortgage,food,clothing etc from your winnings).
    It must be real pressure looking at odds/lines on games week in week out knowing you HAVE to win in order to make a living.

    btw .. More info on Vanzack in this thread  here   everybody

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Matchbook, Pinnacle, and Betfair - and nothing else.



    Did you move to Equatorial Guinea?
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    Matchbook, Pinnacle, and Betfair - and nothing else.



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