Gambling Ethics
If I lived in Vegas and one casino had a line quite different than another casino you better believe I would be "diversifying my portfolio"
If I lived in Vegas and one casino had a line quite different than another casino you better believe I would be "diversifying my portfolio"
Maybe they do things different in FL. If you put 1k on the NYY@+150 and BRS@-135 ,if the sox win you win approx.740 and lose1k on yanks.If yanks win you make 500.How do you not lose 260 if the fav wins?Bookies aren't going to be pissed,you aren't making a good living off it, and you may need to get a job but you do need to stop posting on Covers.com and wasting all our pixels. 3years and 7 posts,rad you keeping all your good things to yourself?
Maybe they do things different in FL. If you put 1k on the NYY@+150 and BRS@-135 ,if the sox win you win approx.740 and lose1k on yanks.If yanks win you make 500.How do you not lose 260 if the fav wins?Bookies aren't going to be pissed,you aren't making a good living off it, and you may need to get a job but you do need to stop posting on Covers.com and wasting all our pixels. 3years and 7 posts,rad you keeping all your good things to yourself?
Wanted to get everyone's opinion on a "Gambling Ethics" situation I have going right now. Basically, I am gambling with 3 local bookies, who all have their own websites, and the odds are way different on many games. For example, if the Yankees are playing the Red Sox, 1 site will have the Yankees at +150 on the Money Line, and another site will have the Red Sox -135 on the Money Line. So if I put $1000 on each team, its like making a no risk bet for a chance to win $150 or 15% of whatever you are betting. My question I guess is: Is this wrong to do? Is it essentially "Scamming" my bookies? Would the bookies be pissed if they found out I was just playing one against the other? Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to stop doing it, cause i'm making a good living off it, and it beats getting a job, just wanted to know everyones opinion on it. Thanks
I would, have, and do take advantage of situations like that. Especially if I feel good about the side with the 'bad' line. But the situation is best if the bookies do not know each other and no chance they compare notes.
Wanted to get everyone's opinion on a "Gambling Ethics" situation I have going right now. Basically, I am gambling with 3 local bookies, who all have their own websites, and the odds are way different on many games. For example, if the Yankees are playing the Red Sox, 1 site will have the Yankees at +150 on the Money Line, and another site will have the Red Sox -135 on the Money Line. So if I put $1000 on each team, its like making a no risk bet for a chance to win $150 or 15% of whatever you are betting. My question I guess is: Is this wrong to do? Is it essentially "Scamming" my bookies? Would the bookies be pissed if they found out I was just playing one against the other? Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to stop doing it, cause i'm making a good living off it, and it beats getting a job, just wanted to know everyones opinion on it. Thanks
I would, have, and do take advantage of situations like that. Especially if I feel good about the side with the 'bad' line. But the situation is best if the bookies do not know each other and no chance they compare notes.
I would, have, and do take advantage of situations like that. Especially if I feel good about the side with the 'bad' line. But the situation is best if the bookies do not know each other and no chance they compare notes.
I would, have, and do take advantage of situations like that. Especially if I feel good about the side with the 'bad' line. But the situation is best if the bookies do not know each other and no chance they compare notes.
rad5577,
Nothing wrong with what you're doing. In Vegas pre-internet and pre cell phones out of state bookies and sports service operators had guys checking the lines at different books all the time.
Some of the biggest action in ton was at Little Casesar's (I'm pretty sure that's where the late Bob Stupak made his million dollar bet on Cincinnati in the Super Bowl).
There was a bank of pay phones behind the casino and always a bunch of guys making calls or waiting for a call. If some poor naïve tourist tried to make a call they'd all yell at them, "Hey I'm waiting on a call."
rad5577,
Nothing wrong with what you're doing. In Vegas pre-internet and pre cell phones out of state bookies and sports service operators had guys checking the lines at different books all the time.
Some of the biggest action in ton was at Little Casesar's (I'm pretty sure that's where the late Bob Stupak made his million dollar bet on Cincinnati in the Super Bowl).
There was a bank of pay phones behind the casino and always a bunch of guys making calls or waiting for a call. If some poor naïve tourist tried to make a call they'd all yell at them, "Hey I'm waiting on a call."
Maybe they do things different in FL. If you put 1k on the NYY@+150 and BRS@-135 ,if the sox win you win approx.740 and lose1k on yanks.If yanks win you make 500.How do you not lose 260 if the fav wins?Bookies aren't going to be pissed,you aren't making a good living off it, and you may need to get a job but you do need to stop posting on Covers.com and wasting all our pixels. 3years and 7 posts,rad you keeping all your good things to yourself?
Maybe they do things different in FL. If you put 1k on the NYY@+150 and BRS@-135 ,if the sox win you win approx.740 and lose1k on yanks.If yanks win you make 500.How do you not lose 260 if the fav wins?Bookies aren't going to be pissed,you aren't making a good living off it, and you may need to get a job but you do need to stop posting on Covers.com and wasting all our pixels. 3years and 7 posts,rad you keeping all your good things to yourself?
We'd kill for those situations in Vegas. You can occasionally find a hedge of two or three cents - Team A -107 at one book and +109 at another, but they're few and far between. They don't last long either, and it's quite possible by the time you place your bet and run next store, the line will have already moved.
And as Thorpe said above, you're most likely doing them a favor. The main reason the one site would have Boston-165 is if he was getting hit on Boston bets, so for you to come in and bet the Yankees is cutting his exposure. Likewise, the site that has Boston-135 may be getting hit with bets on New York and you're helping him out.
One other thing you could do is to track each site's lines and compare them to the consensus line to see how each one does when there's a difference of 10 or 15 cents or more. It's possible that one of the sites will do much better than the other and you can slant your hedges in that direction, although it's hard to say without seeing some actual numbers.
But to answer your original question, no, you're definitely not doing wrong or unethical.
We'd kill for those situations in Vegas. You can occasionally find a hedge of two or three cents - Team A -107 at one book and +109 at another, but they're few and far between. They don't last long either, and it's quite possible by the time you place your bet and run next store, the line will have already moved.
And as Thorpe said above, you're most likely doing them a favor. The main reason the one site would have Boston-165 is if he was getting hit on Boston bets, so for you to come in and bet the Yankees is cutting his exposure. Likewise, the site that has Boston-135 may be getting hit with bets on New York and you're helping him out.
One other thing you could do is to track each site's lines and compare them to the consensus line to see how each one does when there's a difference of 10 or 15 cents or more. It's possible that one of the sites will do much better than the other and you can slant your hedges in that direction, although it's hard to say without seeing some actual numbers.
But to answer your original question, no, you're definitely not doing wrong or unethical.
Maybe they do things different in FL. If you put 1k on the NYY@+150 and BRS@-135 ,if the sox win you win approx.740 and lose1k on yanks.If yanks win you make 500.How do you not lose 260 if the fav wins?Bookies aren't going to be pissed,you aren't making a good living off it, and you may need to get a job but you do need to stop posting on Covers.com and wasting all our pixels. 3years and 7 posts,rad you keeping all your good things to yourself?
Your bet should be 1350 to win 1000, and 940 to win 1410. That way you win $60 either way as an arbitrage of 2.6% regardless of outcome. Set a threshold to determine your cutoff point. For me, 2.6% is too low. There are some numerically impaired people in this thread. As far as the bookies go, if they are on the ball, they move their lines in relation to the amount of action they have gotten, and in your case, you are buying the "cheap" side of the line and actually doing them a service.
Maybe they do things different in FL. If you put 1k on the NYY@+150 and BRS@-135 ,if the sox win you win approx.740 and lose1k on yanks.If yanks win you make 500.How do you not lose 260 if the fav wins?Bookies aren't going to be pissed,you aren't making a good living off it, and you may need to get a job but you do need to stop posting on Covers.com and wasting all our pixels. 3years and 7 posts,rad you keeping all your good things to yourself?
Your bet should be 1350 to win 1000, and 940 to win 1410. That way you win $60 either way as an arbitrage of 2.6% regardless of outcome. Set a threshold to determine your cutoff point. For me, 2.6% is too low. There are some numerically impaired people in this thread. As far as the bookies go, if they are on the ball, they move their lines in relation to the amount of action they have gotten, and in your case, you are buying the "cheap" side of the line and actually doing them a service.
Your bet should be 1350 to win 1000, and 940 to win 1410. That way you win $60 either way as an arbitrage of 2.6% regardless of outcome. Set a threshold to determine your cutoff point. For me, 2.6% is too low. There are some numerically impaired people in this thread. As far as the bookies go, if they are on the ball, they move their lines in relation to the amount of action they have gotten, and in your case, you are buying the "cheap" side of the line and actually doing them a service.
Your bet should be 1350 to win 1000, and 940 to win 1410. That way you win $60 either way as an arbitrage of 2.6% regardless of outcome. Set a threshold to determine your cutoff point. For me, 2.6% is too low. There are some numerically impaired people in this thread. As far as the bookies go, if they are on the ball, they move their lines in relation to the amount of action they have gotten, and in your case, you are buying the "cheap" side of the line and actually doing them a service.
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