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House Majority Leader Tom McGillvray, R-Billings, criticized what's happened in Montana since the ballot measure passed.

"Do we want the drug cartels of Mexico to be now in place in Montana?" he asked. "I think not. Do we want drug wars in our cities and towns and communities? I think not. Do we want our schools infiltrated with this harmful, addictive drug? I think not. Our culture is being corrupted. Our children are being exploited."

All Republicans voted for the repeal bill except for Reps. Steve Gibson of Helena, Austin Knudsen of Culbertson, Mike Miller of Helmville, Jerry O'Neil of Columbia Falls, Sterling Small of Busby and Bob Wagner of Harrison.

Rep. Bob Mehlhoff of Great Falls was the only Democrat to vote for HB161.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:

Because republicans were losing the battle until the Feds came in kicking down doors with guns a blazin.  Public opinion was against them.  That changed when the Feds made them look guilty by raiding these shops.  As I said before, no one was ever charged with anything that stuck.

Feds don't come to town without authorization from Washington.  You say non factually that Montana wasn't talked about but in order to get the Feds here they would have had to have been talked about.  In case you were wondering 2+2=4.

The FBI has fifty-six field offices located in major cities throughout the United States, and more than 400 resident agencies in lesser cities and areas across the nation. More than 50 international offices called "legal attachés" exist in U.S. embassies and consulates general worldwide.

You think Obama is responsible for all of their raids? 
 
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The FBI has fifty-six field offices located in major cities throughout the United States, and more than 400 resident agencies in lesser cities and areas across the nation. More than 50 international offices called "legal attachés" exist in U.S. embassies and consulates general worldwide.

You think Obama is responsible for all of their raids? 

In this case that's a big yes.  Montana was made an example of what the Feds would do to dispensaries.  Local authorities were left in the dark about what the fed was doing here.  It was covered extensively by the news while this was all going on.  I am positive the directive came straight out of Washington.
 
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Obama ran on leaving medical marijuana dispensaries alone.  If you don't believe me read the Huffington Post.  I assume that is your bible.
 
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ya'll should download "weedmaps" on your smart phone.

anyways i hope legalization stops in all states. its wide enough. not every state like kansas or friggin arkansas should be legalized. 

only the west coast some in the mid west and 1 state in the east coast should be legalized.


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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

Marijuana users only go to jail in red states. I agree, that's a problem. But I'll have to side with spocsstocks on this one. 

The only good argument for pot being legal is that it's less harmful than alcohol and alcohol is legal. 

If I had kids, I wouldn't be raising them in Denver. 

I wouldn't have a problem raising them in Denver.  It's not like they can walk into a pot shop and get weed.

Studies have proven time and time again that states with legalized marijuana do not see an increase in teen use.

When the prices drop and extinguish the black market, there won't be any dealers selling weed to kids or hiring them to sell weed.

 
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One problem I have is that legalizing it sends the message that it's ok. I'd be willing to bet that more high school kids in Colorado are smoking weed now compared to ten years ago. Obviously that's going to lead to an increase in substance abuse down the road. Colorado should put the revenue from marijuana towards treatment facilities but they won't.

It doesn't send the message that it's okay.  It sends the message that it's legal for adults.  They're not idiots.  

What kind of message does it send when they sit down to watch a football game and they see 30 beer commercials in 3 hours?  Kids die every day due to a direct or indirect use of alcohol.  Every day.  Also, like I said before.  They're not idiots.  The fact is, they know it's okay already.  They see Mrs. Leonhart of the DEA dodging questions on Youtube, refusing to say that heroin is worse than marijuana.  They know that we are in fact the idiots, because we've fallen for the lies and propaganda for decades telling us it's a horrible addictive drug.

The "message" argument.  I love it.  The message I got when I was a kid was that weed is illegal, so I'll just drink.  I am lucky to still be alive after all the stupid things I did while drinking.  Since I started smoking weed, I have never once put myself or others at risk.  Not once.

There's not a single study that indicates that a teen marijuana user is more likely to abuse other drugs later on.  The gateway theory has been debunked a thousand times.  There's no science that backs it.  

 
 
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FYI... medical marijuana is essentially legal now, even in a federal sense.

In the new spending bill, it is spelled out that no government agencies shall use funds against states that cultivate, sell, or consume for medical purposes.  This includes the DEA.

https://cannabisnews.com/news/28/thread28415.shtml

The "war" is coming to an end.
 
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Marijuana is ok if you're ok with being a burnout that never reaches their full potential. There aren't many Dr's, lawyers, engineers, chemists, entrepreneurs etc that smoke weed on a regular basis. 

If you had two groups of people ... In one group you put high earning, well educated, high performing professionals and in the other group you put people that were struggling to make ends meet, under educated and generally low performing individuals ... What group do you think would have more people that smoke pot on a regular basis? 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

Marijuana is ok if you're ok with being a burnout that never reaches their full potential. There aren't many Dr's, lawyers, engineers, chemists, entrepreneurs etc that smoke weed on a regular basis. 

If you had two groups of people ... In one group you put high earning, well educated, high performing professionals and in the other group you put people that were struggling to make ends meet, under educated and generally low performing individuals ... What group do you think would have more people that smoke pot on a regular basis? 

First off, most people don't smoke weed on a regular basis.  Most millionaires don't smoke it, and most poor people don't smoke it.

Tell Richard Branson that pot keeps you from reaching full potential.  Tell Ted Turner.  Tell Brad Pitt.  Tell Barack Oboma.  Tell Stephen King.  Tell Betty White.  Tell Paul McCartney.  Tell Johnny Depp.  Martha Stewart, Morgan Freeman, David Letterman, Jennifer Aniston, Lady Gaga, Miley Cyrus, Michael Bloomberg, Bill Gates, Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, Carl Sagan, Stephen Colbert...

Many of the above millionaires and BILLIONAIRES have smoked more pot than you would care to believe, will continue doing so, and they seem to be doing fine.  How can that be?  It contradicts everything you said.

You're just wrong, and I don't think you realize how many people smoke weed.  It really does not inhibit potential at all.  In fact, I believe it can help you in many ways achieve what you want to.  

Would you care to guess how many successful musicians toke on a regular basis?  But how can they make millions, memorize lyrics, write music, and perform in front of sell out crowds 5-6 nights a week when they're smoking an amotivational drug on a regular basis?

Some successful people smoke weed.  Some don't.  Some successful people drink.  Some don't.  The same can be said of poor people.  You seem to think a drug inherently holds people back when the truth is, it's not true.  It has more to do with drive, motivation, intelligence, desire, will, and sheer luck.

You've listened to too much propaganda... too many lies.  In my opinion, you need to rethink everything you think you know.  No offense meant dude, that's just how I see it.

 
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https://www.420magazine.com/forums/celebrity-tokers/87813-200-celebrities-famous-people-who-smoke-pot.html

Here's a list of 200 millionaire/billionaire deadbeats that smoke the ganga.

Stay away from it!  You'll amount to nothing!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SteelCash:

https://www.420magazine.com/forums/celebrity-tokers/87813-200-celebrities-famous-people-who-smoke-pot.html

Here's a list of 200 millionaire/billionaire deadbeats that smoke the ganga.

Stay away from it!  You'll amount to nothing!

That's the dumbest list I've ever seen in my life. I feel liked I'm talking to a 14 year old. You must be a habitual pot smoker. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

Marijuana is ok if you're ok with being a burnout that never reaches their full potential. There aren't many Dr's, lawyers, engineers, chemists, entrepreneurs etc that smoke weed on a regular basis. 

If you had two groups of people ... In one group you put high earning, well educated, high performing professionals and in the other group you put people that were struggling to make ends meet, under educated and generally low performing individuals ... What group do you think would have more people that smoke pot on a regular basis? 


It's crazy to think that there's millions of people on earth that think just like YOU. Truly is a scary thought that the human brain can function this way.
 
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It's crazy to think that there's millions of people on earth that think just like YOU. Truly is a scary thought that the human brain can function this way.

Yeah, it's crazy and scary dude. 
 
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That's the dumbest list I've ever seen in my life. I feel liked I'm talking to a 14 year old. You must be a habitual pot smoker. 

I looked over the list.  I've seen lists before, with actual quotes from the people.  Every one of those 200 have smoked weed and many still do.  I can give many more lists if you'd like.  Maybe one will be to your liking.
 
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It's okay to be wrong.  I like being wrong.  Every time I'm wrong, I learn something.  I seriously think it's a great thing, but pride usually gets in the way of admitting it, and recognizing that it is a good thing.  We're always taught to win at everything.  Winning is good, but losing is not always without its benefits.

 
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Unfortunately I haven't smoked in nearly 2 months.  Gotta pass a drug test soon.  

But hey... at least I can drink like a fish.  That's legal, and an accepted behavior.  Even though it leads to more disease and death than any other substance in the world.

But otherwise yes... I would be a habitual pot smoker.

 
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Actually, cigarettes kill more.  My error.  Alcohol comes in second place.  
 
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Someone with a clean record, simple possession charge, blue state.. Sentenced to jail in the last five years. Maybe there's a stray case or two but I doubt it.

I don't travel to many red states because they're not desirable locations but from what I've read they lack common sense on this issue.

Undesirable blue states? I'll be playing golf tomorrow at the Phoenician Golf Resort in shorts and a polos shirt while you're shoveling snow....

Nobody goes to jail for pot unless you're selling it or growing large quantities of it (another big lefty lie to push the legalization).

I watched a C-SPAN special about Colorado's first year of this. It was quite interesting listening to all points of the debate. Personally, I think it's a bad thing because I believe it's a gateway drug and I believe long term use will cause brain damage and the availability to kids is much easier because it's everywhere. The real problem they're having is the commercialization, 300 stores in Denver alone as well as the eatables (lack of oversight, kids getting them because they don't look like what they are). Of course the lefties are in favor of it, anything that makes the public more malleable is a great thing.

Don't hurt your back shoveling snow Detox, I know Massachusetts hasn't legalized weed yet to help relieve your pain... 
 
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Undesirable blue states? I'll be playing golf tomorrow at the Phoenician Golf Resort in shorts and a polos shirt while you're shoveling snow....

Nobody goes to jail for pot unless you're selling it or growing large quantities of it (another big lefty lie to push the legalization).

I watched a C-SPAN special about Colorado's first year of this. It was quite interesting listening to all points of the debate. Personally, I think it's a bad thing because I believe it's a gateway drug and I believe long term use will cause brain damage and the availability to kids is much easier because it's everywhere. The real problem they're having is the commercialization, 300 stores in Denver alone as well as the eatables (lack of oversight, kids getting them because they don't look like what they are). Of course the lefties are in favor of it, anything that makes the public more malleable is a great thing.

Don't hurt your back shoveling snow Detox, I know Massachusetts hasn't legalized weed yet to help relieve your pain... 

Right on B.  I love AZ.  Lived in Scottsdale for 8 years.  The only time I left Montana.  Great place and great weather.  Still get back there for guy golf trips.  Have a great time!!!

Pay no attention to the extreme lefty that is completely clueless.  His statements in this thread have been filled with many factual errors. Now it's just embarrassing.
 
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I think it's a bad thing because I believe it's a gateway drug and I believe long term use will cause brain damage and the availability to kids is much easier because it's everywhere.  

Another big righty lie to keep it criminalized.

Much easier than when?  Has any high school kid ever had a problem finding weed?

So many people holding a beer in their hand worried about the kids.. "What about the kids? Who will protect our kids from the dangers of alcohol, err um I mean the dangers of weed."

Anyone here smoke pot before drinking their first beer?

Prohibition doesn't work. It's been proven.


 
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Another big righty lie to keep it criminalized.

Much easier than when?  Has any high school kid ever had a problem finding weed?

So many people holding a beer in their hand worried about the kids.. "What about the kids? Who will protect our kids from the dangers of alcohol, err um I mean the dangers of weed."

Anyone here smoke pot before drinking their first beer?

Prohibition doesn't work. It's been proven.




I agree.  We should legalize it throughout the US and encourage kids to start smoking as soon as possible.  As a matter of fact let's drop the age requirement on cigs and alcohol as well.  Just think of the taxes we could make off of all kids smoking and drinking.  A win win for everyone.

 
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Actually, cigarettes kill more.  My error.  Alcohol comes in second place.  

Marijuana should be legal because it doesn't kill as much as alcohol or tobacco.. Neither does cocaine, heroin, prescription narcotics.. 
 
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Undesirable blue states? I'll be playing golf tomorrow at the Phoenician Golf Resort in shorts and a polos shirt while you're shoveling snow....

Nobody goes to jail for pot unless you're selling it or growing large quantities of it (another big lefty lie to push the legalization).

I watched a C-SPAN special about Colorado's first year of this. It was quite interesting listening to all points of the debate. Personally, I think it's a bad thing because I believe it's a gateway drug and I believe long term use will cause brain damage and the availability to kids is much easier because it's everywhere. The real problem they're having is the commercialization, 300 stores in Denver alone as well as the eatables (lack of oversight, kids getting them because they don't look like what they are). Of course the lefties are in favor of it, anything that makes the public more malleable is a great thing.

Don't hurt your back shoveling snow Detox, I know Massachusetts hasn't legalized weed yet to help relieve your pain... 

Dude... I hate to break it to ya but... it's everywhere now.  In every state.  You honestly think that a kid in school can't score a bag of weed tomorrow if he wanted to?  You think legalization introduces it to society?

https://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr4/3Availability.html

Click on "table six".

If marijuana is a gateway drug, how is it that 20-40 million people in the U.S. have smoked weed in the past month, and less than 2 million have used cocaine or heroin?  If it's a gateway drug, and people that smoke weed are candidates for black tar heroin, you'd think there would be about 20 million heroin and cocaine users in this country.  

What is in marijuana that makes the user want heroin?

Most alcoholics drank milk as a child.  Is milk a gateway drug?

Most motorcycle gang members rode bicycles as a child.  Are bicycles a gateway to gang violence?

Correlation and causation are two different things.  The gateway theory has been debunked a long time ago.  It's a myth.  It doesn't exist.  The people spreading reefer madness in the 1940's invented it out of thin air to scare the public because hemp was a threat to the lumber industry, and Hearst was making millions with his newspapers.  Join us in the 21st century.

As for the edibles, kids rarely get a hold of them.  And when they do, they're rushed to the hospital, and they rest for an hour or two until the high wears off.  They're never in any real danger.  Let's talk about the kids that break into daddy's liquor cabinet and die of alcohol poisoning.  Let's talk about the kids grabbing prescription pain killers and fatally overdosing at parties.  I mean if we're gonna talk about something, let's make it something that poses a real threat to our children.



 
 
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Marijuana should be legal because it doesn't kill as much as alcohol or tobacco.. Neither does cocaine, heroin, prescription narcotics.. 

Marijuana doesn't kill anybody.

The prohibition of cocaine and heroin kill more people than the drugs themselves do.  Prohibition creates dealers.  Dealers sell anything to anybody, regardless of age.  They also kill anyone that "gets in the way".  Addicts steal and murder to get more because the price is so high because of prohibition.  Dealers cut it with fentanyl (50-100 times stronger than morphine) and kids die as a result.

Prohibition doesn't control anything.  It doesn't regulate anything.  It never has worked, and never will.  But it's in place to keep DEA jobs and to keep the jails filled... prisons for profit.  

Prohibition = black market
black market = illegal dealers
illegal dealers = illegal drugs
illegal drugs = inflated price, inflated demand, violence, death
 
no control, no regulations

We probably have 1,000 distributors for every one cop.  And we wonder why we can't stop the flow of drugs.

Portugal has decriminalized all drugs.  The result?  Fewer addicts, fewer overdoses, lower drug use per capita, lower crime.

But let's just keep doing what we're doing, even though it's not working.


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