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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2014 - 3:34 PM ET #1

    YTD

    61 - 42   59.2%


    Had a decent week going 6-4. Hit some big plays. I can't believe we're approaching week 10.




                                     Ten Things We Learned


    1. If you didn't watch the end of the UNC / Virginia game yesterday, you probably missed the call of the year by a coach. Larry Fedora and UNC scored a go ahead TD with about 4 minutes to play. UNC fought all day to come back and be in that position. But with a 28-27 lead and 4 to play, he calls for a onside kick. Instead of kicking it deep and "trying to play defense " he called for a onside kick. I'm telling ya.....that took balls. If they don't recover that not only would it have been the bonehead call of the year, it would have cost him his job IMO. Fedora pulled out the ole Les Miles playbook on that one.

    2. Speaking of the mad hatter. It wasn't Les who pulled a " Les " this weekend. It was Hugh....WTF were they thinking in that situation? You have to kick the FG, make or miss you have to at least try! I have been hard on Bo all for years, and to be honest, maybe a little too hard on him this year. But with that being said, you just proved my point, Bo. Hey Bo......you have to throw that ball away! Im sure Hugh told him if it's not there, throw it away. But Bo made me proud as I have said many many times.....Bo NOT SmArT!!! Look, here is the facts about that game. LSU doesn't have the defense we're accustom to. Ole piss had there chances. I would say better luck next year, but in case of Old Piss...better luck next century?

    3. This past week I was throwing hints around at the fact that Penn st was a live dog IMO.... Well, almost. They like Old Piss had there chances. Is it me or does it seem that Mr. Hackenburg might be and always has been.....slightly overrated? I think he is a nice talent, but this guy is far from being ready to go to the next level. Good thing he has another year in college to improve his skills. I think he needs it! On a side note, did anyone else see slime ball James Franklin arguing with the refs saying he didn't call that timeout at the end of regulation? I mean he clearly went to the side judge and said.....Timeout. Funny guy or Slime ball?

    4. I have always kind of pulled for sparty....but after yesterday, I couldn't have been more pissed. That was clear IMO....They were trying to cover that spread. We can all play like these coaches dont know the spread....BS and BS. Ask Urban, he seemed to always conveniently know the spread. That was a tough pill to swallow if you had a Michigan ticket, but then again, that's what rivals do when they get the chance.....drive the " stake " in ya....

    5. No Florida this week. But I did feel it would only be appropriate and "respectful " to mention how bad they are still. That is all.....

    6. Will Charlie Strong make in Texas? I sure hope so. I know things look bad right now longhorns....But the best really is yet to come. This is a good football coach cleaning up this program. He even said before the year that the fans shouldn't expect any championships yet. I really like the guy, I think there should be more coaches like him in football instead of the Petrinos, Franklins and Kiffens of the world.

    7. What is wrong with Virginia Tech? A once proud program with great tradition and history seems like a very very mediocre football team now. I'm not sure im calling for Beamers head yet, but at what point do ya? I would love to hear the thoughts of the Hookies fans and tell me what they think. I see zero play makers on offense and the coaching looks really bad right now.

    8. I think TCU might be one of the best teams in the country. Im almost ready to say they might be the best one-loss team in the country. This is a complete football team playing at a high level right now. Patterson knows this is a special group and if things fall right, he might be there in the end with the final 4. Only thing I would be concerned with is, does TCU have the " street cred " to be talked about like that? We know if Alabama has one loss then we/us/the media have to rank them higher then any other 1 loss team. And that's what Im really getting at, will they get a shot if they run the table? The Alabama rule states, in the by-laws of 3:741.65....that even if they lose 3 or more games, they show still be ranked and viewed upon as better than you no matter the circumstance.

    9. Gosh I hope we get some players back. Our starting LT was suspended right before kickoff yesterday. This team is riddled with injuries right now. We officially are down these starters.... 2 OL, QB, RB, TE and WR. 6 starters on offense!! But the good news is all but one should be back within 2 weeks. I think the defense is just flat out nasty... I hope no injuries occur on that side of the ball. Right now if you asked me what the best defense in the country might be.... I might say Clemson. Stanford, Louisville and Ole Miss are great. But this Clemson defense is pretty salty on all 3 levels.

    10. 9 weeks gone. It's a shame too, we wait all year and it just seems to fly by. One thing I want to talk about before I close is the state of the forum. This week I mentioned starting a panel to help the forum. A group of us doing a serious conversation that could benefit the forum....But what was I thinking? Just look around at all the hate! The way some acted yesterday in Jimmy's thread was flat out disgraceful. What is the deal with all the trolling and constant negativity...I mean expect it from a few in here, cause trolls will be trolls. But too much of it has become annoying! Here is a good idea.....If you aren't here to help. S T F U! Covers needs a face lift, and the mods should step in and do something about it. Hey, good luck to everyone this week. See how easy that was? The best is yet to come.




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    61 - 42   59.2%


    Had a decent week going 6-4. Hit some big plays. I can't believe we're approaching week 10.




                                     Ten Things We Learned


    1. If you didn't watch the end of the UNC / Virginia game yesterday, you probably missed the call of the year by a coach. Larry Fedora and UNC scored a go ahead TD with about 4 minutes to play. UNC fought all day to come back and be in that position. But with a 28-27 lead and 4 to play, he calls for a onside kick. Instead of kicking it deep and "trying to play defense " he called for a onside kick. I'm telling ya.....that took balls. If they don't recover that not only would it have been the bonehead call of the year, it would have cost him his job IMO. Fedora pulled out the ole Les Miles playbook on that one.

    2. Speaking of the mad hatter. It wasn't Les who pulled a " Les " this weekend. It was Hugh....WTF were they thinking in that situation? You have to kick the FG, make or miss you have to at least try! I have been hard on Bo all for years, and to be honest, maybe a little too hard on him this year. But with that being said, you just proved my point, Bo. Hey Bo......you have to throw that ball away! Im sure Hugh told him if it's not there, throw it away. But Bo made me proud as I have said many many times.....Bo NOT SmArT!!! Look, here is the facts about that game. LSU doesn't have the defense we're accustom to. Ole piss had there chances. I would say better luck next year, but in case of Old Piss...better luck next century?

    3. This past week I was throwing hints around at the fact that Penn st was a live dog IMO.... Well, almost. They like Old Piss had there chances. Is it me or does it seem that Mr. Hackenburg might be and always has been.....slightly overrated? I think he is a nice talent, but this guy is far from being ready to go to the next level. Good thing he has another year in college to improve his skills. I think he needs it! On a side note, did anyone else see slime ball James Franklin arguing with the refs saying he didn't call that timeout at the end of regulation? I mean he clearly went to the side judge and said.....Timeout. Funny guy or Slime ball?

    4. I have always kind of pulled for sparty....but after yesterday, I couldn't have been more pissed. That was clear IMO....They were trying to cover that spread. We can all play like these coaches dont know the spread....BS and BS. Ask Urban, he seemed to always conveniently know the spread. That was a tough pill to swallow if you had a Michigan ticket, but then again, that's what rivals do when they get the chance.....drive the " stake " in ya....

    5. No Florida this week. But I did feel it would only be appropriate and "respectful " to mention how bad they are still. That is all.....

    6. Will Charlie Strong make in Texas? I sure hope so. I know things look bad right now longhorns....But the best really is yet to come. This is a good football coach cleaning up this program. He even said before the year that the fans shouldn't expect any championships yet. I really like the guy, I think there should be more coaches like him in football instead of the Petrinos, Franklins and Kiffens of the world.

    7. What is wrong with Virginia Tech? A once proud program with great tradition and history seems like a very very mediocre football team now. I'm not sure im calling for Beamers head yet, but at what point do ya? I would love to hear the thoughts of the Hookies fans and tell me what they think. I see zero play makers on offense and the coaching looks really bad right now.

    8. I think TCU might be one of the best teams in the country. Im almost ready to say they might be the best one-loss team in the country. This is a complete football team playing at a high level right now. Patterson knows this is a special group and if things fall right, he might be there in the end with the final 4. Only thing I would be concerned with is, does TCU have the " street cred " to be talked about like that? We know if Alabama has one loss then we/us/the media have to rank them higher then any other 1 loss team. And that's what Im really getting at, will they get a shot if they run the table? The Alabama rule states, in the by-laws of 3:741.65....that even if they lose 3 or more games, they show still be ranked and viewed upon as better than you no matter the circumstance.

    9. Gosh I hope we get some players back. Our starting LT was suspended right before kickoff yesterday. This team is riddled with injuries right now. We officially are down these starters.... 2 OL, QB, RB, TE and WR. 6 starters on offense!! But the good news is all but one should be back within 2 weeks. I think the defense is just flat out nasty... I hope no injuries occur on that side of the ball. Right now if you asked me what the best defense in the country might be.... I might say Clemson. Stanford, Louisville and Ole Miss are great. But this Clemson defense is pretty salty on all 3 levels.

    10. 9 weeks gone. It's a shame too, we wait all year and it just seems to fly by. One thing I want to talk about before I close is the state of the forum. This week I mentioned starting a panel to help the forum. A group of us doing a serious conversation that could benefit the forum....But what was I thinking? Just look around at all the hate! The way some acted yesterday in Jimmy's thread was flat out disgraceful. What is the deal with all the trolling and constant negativity...I mean expect it from a few in here, cause trolls will be trolls. But too much of it has become annoying! Here is a good idea.....If you aren't here to help. S T F U! Covers needs a face lift, and the mods should step in and do something about it. Hey, good luck to everyone this week. See how easy that was? The best is yet to come.




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    Boom - I had you at 6-3, but still a winning week even at 6-4.  BOL this week and totally agree with pt. 10.

    Early line has Ga. Southern -20.5 hosting Troy.  I have the line more like 25.  Thoughts?

    Take care and enjoy the beautiful weather in the Upstate!

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    Boom - I had you at 6-3, but still a winning week even at 6-4.  BOL this week and totally agree with pt. 10.

    Early line has Ga. Southern -20.5 hosting Troy.  I have the line more like 25.  Thoughts?

    Take care and enjoy the beautiful weather in the Upstate!

     
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    Hey.....Driskel didnt lose this week!!!!!
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    I think Virginia might of had 12 men on the field, which is why UNC did the onside kick.  Could be wrong tho.
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    I think Virginia might of had 12 men on the field, which is why UNC did the onside kick.  Could be wrong tho.
     
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    Boom_Boom, sending BIG CONGRATULATIONS on your excellent call on Penn State!    
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Hey.....Driskel didnt lose this week!!!!!


    ...........Yes, this is true
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    Hey.....Driskel didnt lose this week!!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:

    I think Virginia might of had 12 men on the field, which is why UNC did the onside kick.  Could be wrong tho.


    no, they had 11..... They had a substitution penalty late that ended the game tho.
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    I think Virginia might of had 12 men on the field, which is why UNC did the onside kick.  Could be wrong tho.


    no, they had 11..... They had a substitution penalty late that ended the game tho.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urbanwildlife:

    Boom_Boom, sending BIG CONGRATULATIONS on your excellent call on Penn State!    


    no need to congratulate...it's just one game. But I do think Penn st had their chance to win that game.


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    Boom_Boom, sending BIG CONGRATULATIONS on your excellent call on Penn State!    


    no need to congratulate...it's just one game. But I do think Penn st had their chance to win that game.


     
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    59 PERCENT.THAT  IS  TERRIBLE.LOLLLL.BOOM THANK YOU  FOR  ALL YOU  DO.ANOTHER  GREAT  JOB  THIS  YEAR.GL  THE  REST  OF  THE  WAY,

     

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    Louisville  +6

    Pittsburgh -1

    Ohio st   -28

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyRolls:

    Boom - I had you at 6-3, but still a winning week even at 6-4.  BOL this week and totally agree with pt. 10.

    Early line has Ga. Southern -20.5 hosting Troy.  I have the line more like 25.  Thoughts?

    Take care and enjoy the beautiful weather in the Upstate!



    That line stood out to me as well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyRolls:

    Boom - I had you at 6-3, but still a winning week even at 6-4.  BOL this week and totally agree with pt. 10.

    Early line has Ga. Southern -20.5 hosting Troy.  I have the line more like 25.  Thoughts?

    Take care and enjoy the beautiful weather in the Upstate!



    That line stood out to me as well!
     
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                                     Ten Things We Learned


    1. If you didn't watch the end of the UNC / Virginia game yesterday, you probably missed the call of the year by a coach. Larry Fedora and UNC scored a go ahead TD with about 4 minutes to play. UNC fought all day to come back and be in that position. But with a 28-27 lead and 4 to play, he calls for a onside kick. Instead of kicking it deep and "trying to play defense " he called for a onside kick. I'm telling ya.....that took balls. If they don't recover that not only would it have been the bonehead call of the year, it would have cost him his job IMO. Fedora pulled out the ole Les Miles playbook on that one.


    I almost made a thread about that play... didn't have any money on the game, but was watching it because it was the most exciting morning game... such a gutsy move!

    I don't know if Virginia had 12 on the field, like Dave said... if so, that would explain a lot!  But either way, great call...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:




                                     Ten Things We Learned


    1. If you didn't watch the end of the UNC / Virginia game yesterday, you probably missed the call of the year by a coach. Larry Fedora and UNC scored a go ahead TD with about 4 minutes to play. UNC fought all day to come back and be in that position. But with a 28-27 lead and 4 to play, he calls for a onside kick. Instead of kicking it deep and "trying to play defense " he called for a onside kick. I'm telling ya.....that took balls. If they don't recover that not only would it have been the bonehead call of the year, it would have cost him his job IMO. Fedora pulled out the ole Les Miles playbook on that one.


    I almost made a thread about that play... didn't have any money on the game, but was watching it because it was the most exciting morning game... such a gutsy move!

    I don't know if Virginia had 12 on the field, like Dave said... if so, that would explain a lot!  But either way, great call...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2014 - 9:17 PM ET #14

    Boom_Boom a game you might want to consider is the Utah State at Hawaii game. Iosefa still is out, and they have no offense what so ever. The line right now is Utah State -2.5
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    Boom_Boom a game you might want to consider is the Utah State at Hawaii game. Iosefa still is out, and they have no offense what so ever. The line right now is Utah State -2.5
     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2014 - 9:29 PM ET #15

    Hey Boom, what happened to your Top 10 last week? You didn't finish it...
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    Hey Boom, what happened to your Top 10 last week? You didn't finish it...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2014 - 9:30 PM ET #16

    I agree,

    Texas would be stupid to give up on Charlie Strong



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    I agree,

    Texas would be stupid to give up on Charlie Strong



     
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    Posted: Oct. 26, 2014 - 10:09 PM ET #17

    The Alabama Rule.... Love it

    You do know that they play in the SEC don't you? That gives them an additional margin for at least a couple of losses

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    The Alabama Rule.... Love it

    You do know that they play in the SEC don't you? That gives them an additional margin for at least a couple of losses

     
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    3. This past week I was throwing hints around at the fact that Penn st was a live dog IMO.... Well, almost. They like Old Piss had there chances. Is it me or does it seem that Mr. Hackenburg might be and always has been.....slightly overrated? I think he is a nice talent, but this guy is far from being ready to go to the next level. Good thing he has another year in college to improve his skills. I think he needs it! On a side note, did anyone else see slime ball James Franklin arguing with the refs saying he didn't call that timeout at the end of regulation? I mean he clearly went to the side judge and said.....Timeout. Funny guy or Slime ball?

    He actually did not call timeout, nor did Urban Meyer at the end to try to ice the kicker.  This was just 2 of a comedy of officiating errors, mostly against Penn St.  If you watched game start to finish you would know, but you would have probably mentioned it in here instead of what you saw at the end of the game.  There was a clear incomplete pass that hit the ground that somehow they said they could not see that play because of a video malfunction, ohio st scored quickly off it to open game.  There was also a delay of game by 4 seconds on a 48 yd fg attempt the refs failed to call.  The kick was made.  Personally, I was impressed with Franklin as he said in his presser "I dont want to bring up things I can't control."

    As far as Hackenberg, he is regressing a bit but this is a kid who is only a sophomore still and has led 5 game winning or tying drives in his young short career.  He has done this with two coaching systems in 2 years.  He is doing what he is doing this year with 3 freshman wrs and 2 freshman o lineman and two other o lineman who were d lineman last year.  He is doing this with 43 healthy scholarship players in that game vs everyone elses 75-85.  His arm is live, his measurables are perfect, his demeanor is insane.  He does trust his arm too much and is guilty of forcing balls at some bad times.  You are right, he needs at least one more year, thank god.  He also needs a run game, which isnt happening because of an injured o line.

    Great call on PSU, good luck rest of season.
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    3. This past week I was throwing hints around at the fact that Penn st was a live dog IMO.... Well, almost. They like Old Piss had there chances. Is it me or does it seem that Mr. Hackenburg might be and always has been.....slightly overrated? I think he is a nice talent, but this guy is far from being ready to go to the next level. Good thing he has another year in college to improve his skills. I think he needs it! On a side note, did anyone else see slime ball James Franklin arguing with the refs saying he didn't call that timeout at the end of regulation? I mean he clearly went to the side judge and said.....Timeout. Funny guy or Slime ball?

    He actually did not call timeout, nor did Urban Meyer at the end to try to ice the kicker.  This was just 2 of a comedy of officiating errors, mostly against Penn St.  If you watched game start to finish you would know, but you would have probably mentioned it in here instead of what you saw at the end of the game.  There was a clear incomplete pass that hit the ground that somehow they said they could not see that play because of a video malfunction, ohio st scored quickly off it to open game.  There was also a delay of game by 4 seconds on a 48 yd fg attempt the refs failed to call.  The kick was made.  Personally, I was impressed with Franklin as he said in his presser "I dont want to bring up things I can't control."

    As far as Hackenberg, he is regressing a bit but this is a kid who is only a sophomore still and has led 5 game winning or tying drives in his young short career.  He has done this with two coaching systems in 2 years.  He is doing what he is doing this year with 3 freshman wrs and 2 freshman o lineman and two other o lineman who were d lineman last year.  He is doing this with 43 healthy scholarship players in that game vs everyone elses 75-85.  His arm is live, his measurables are perfect, his demeanor is insane.  He does trust his arm too much and is guilty of forcing balls at some bad times.  You are right, he needs at least one more year, thank god.  He also needs a run game, which isnt happening because of an injured o line.

    Great call on PSU, good luck rest of season.
     
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    Keep up the good work boom, ignore the haters
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    Here is another for you Boom_Boom in addition to the Utah State at Hawaii play I brought to your attention. Texas Tech is -24.5 at home against Texas, so Texas looks like a great play. Also Texas Tech QB Davis Webb got injured on Saturday, and did not return to the game, so I am not sure what his status is for this weeks game.
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    Here is another for you Boom_Boom in addition to the Utah State at Hawaii play I brought to your attention. Texas Tech is -24.5 at home against Texas, so Texas looks like a great play. Also Texas Tech QB Davis Webb got injured on Saturday, and did not return to the game, so I am not sure what his status is for this weeks game.
     
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    Sure a lottta SEC haters  around. Guess it gets that way when you have most of the top 5 from the SEC.

    Boom I think you have over done it on your Ala rule, it was funny for awhile but even tho it had some merit, I think it's time to let it slide!'

    I would give good money to see Bama play Clemson when Clemson gets all their players back! I would even spot you 7 just to make it interesting LMAO!

    They do have a pretty good D tho!

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    Sure a lottta SEC haters  around. Guess it gets that way when you have most of the top 5 from the SEC.

    Boom I think you have over done it on your Ala rule, it was funny for awhile but even tho it had some merit, I think it's time to let it slide!'

    I would give good money to see Bama play Clemson when Clemson gets all their players back! I would even spot you 7 just to make it interesting LMAO!

    They do have a pretty good D tho!

     
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    Posted: Oct. 27, 2014 - 9:15 AM ET #22

    I think you could have got a better line on Louiville if you waited.
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    Yeah the Miss. coach made a bad call at the end with LSU but Ole Miss is still one of the best. mocked by someone that probably hasn't played a down. funny....
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    Yeah the Miss. coach made a bad call at the end with LSU but Ole Miss is still one of the best. mocked by someone that probably hasn't played a down. funny....
     
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    Funny thing is Hugh Freeze actually called for a 5-10 yard out pattern. Bo Wallace took it upon himself to throw it in the endzone. Hugh said this very clearly in the post game interview calling out Bo for his very bad decision. Bo then acted like a jerk and didn't want to talk about it. It will be interesting to keep an eye on this dynamic to see if this affects the team chemistry. If Hugh needs to be called out it should be for the atrocious play call on 4th and 1 the series previous to that(quick snap- they actually lost yardage- horrible call)- 
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    Funny thing is Hugh Freeze actually called for a 5-10 yard out pattern. Bo Wallace took it upon himself to throw it in the endzone. Hugh said this very clearly in the post game interview calling out Bo for his very bad decision. Bo then acted like a jerk and didn't want to talk about it. It will be interesting to keep an eye on this dynamic to see if this affects the team chemistry. If Hugh needs to be called out it should be for the atrocious play call on 4th and 1 the series previous to that(quick snap- they actually lost yardage- horrible call)- 
     
     
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    5. No Florida this week. But I did feel it would only be appropriate and "respectful " to mention how bad they are still. That is all.....

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