Week 10 Money
that is wearing glasses with blinders on, kind of like those southern types who claim the south has the best high school football every year, I live in Texas, trust me I hear it from all these rednecks, let me give you a breakdown of NFL players by state as of 2013
1. California (225)
2. Florida (186)
3. Texas (184)
this is relevant because you said the Noles have more speed than a Pac12 all star squad would, the west coast teams have lots of speed, hence the reason California has the most high school talent and the most NFL players
also when comparing Oregon to Florida St and speed, I'll just toss out 2 skill position players, Marcus Mariota and DA Thomas, find me skill position players from Florida St with more speed than those two and then you have a conversation, I'm not talking about a player that gets 3 touches per game, I'm talking about skill position players of relevance like the 2 that I mentioned from Oregon
if you want to say Bama is better than I'll agree, Bama is the top program in college and its not close, they have won 2 in a row and still unbeaten this year, I have them ranked 1 in my personal poll on page 1 of this thread but Florida St has done nothing this year or in recent years for me to think they are the best team in the country, winning at Clemson is nice but comparing the Clemson & Maryland offenses to the Oregon offense is a huge reach (which I think you did in the post above the one I quoted if I'm not mistaken)
this isn't 1990 anymore, FSU has a nice squad and it's great to see them be relevant again but to say they would beat Oregon 8 out of 10 times is just being too much of a homer, if we somehow get that matchup for the title then your Noles will 100% certain be the underdog, not the favorite, Oregon would be a minimum of -3 and probably closer to -6
this is fun conversation and hopefully we see the game between these two (very doubtful) but I would look forward to that game
I like Florida St being good again, I really do, it's just better for college football but let them accomplish more than a win at Clemson before we start thinking they are in the elite
I don't mean elite by winning a National Title (Oregon hasn't done that either & may never do it) but they have played in a title game and many more BCS bowls in recent years than the Noles have, rise above the rest of those from the south that see things with blinders, recognize the west coast has great talent (as I've shown above) and let's see how things play out
hope you guys smash Miami this weekend and continue on the quest to playing for the title
that is wearing glasses with blinders on, kind of like those southern types who claim the south has the best high school football every year, I live in Texas, trust me I hear it from all these rednecks, let me give you a breakdown of NFL players by state as of 2013
1. California (225)
2. Florida (186)
3. Texas (184)
this is relevant because you said the Noles have more speed than a Pac12 all star squad would, the west coast teams have lots of speed, hence the reason California has the most high school talent and the most NFL players
also when comparing Oregon to Florida St and speed, I'll just toss out 2 skill position players, Marcus Mariota and DA Thomas, find me skill position players from Florida St with more speed than those two and then you have a conversation, I'm not talking about a player that gets 3 touches per game, I'm talking about skill position players of relevance like the 2 that I mentioned from Oregon
if you want to say Bama is better than I'll agree, Bama is the top program in college and its not close, they have won 2 in a row and still unbeaten this year, I have them ranked 1 in my personal poll on page 1 of this thread but Florida St has done nothing this year or in recent years for me to think they are the best team in the country, winning at Clemson is nice but comparing the Clemson & Maryland offenses to the Oregon offense is a huge reach (which I think you did in the post above the one I quoted if I'm not mistaken)
this isn't 1990 anymore, FSU has a nice squad and it's great to see them be relevant again but to say they would beat Oregon 8 out of 10 times is just being too much of a homer, if we somehow get that matchup for the title then your Noles will 100% certain be the underdog, not the favorite, Oregon would be a minimum of -3 and probably closer to -6
this is fun conversation and hopefully we see the game between these two (very doubtful) but I would look forward to that game
I like Florida St being good again, I really do, it's just better for college football but let them accomplish more than a win at Clemson before we start thinking they are in the elite
I don't mean elite by winning a National Title (Oregon hasn't done that either & may never do it) but they have played in a title game and many more BCS bowls in recent years than the Noles have, rise above the rest of those from the south that see things with blinders, recognize the west coast has great talent (as I've shown above) and let's see how things play out
hope you guys smash Miami this weekend and continue on the quest to playing for the title
How S+P sees the game:
Oregon's offense vs. Florida State's defense
This is a matchup of strength vs. strength for the most part. There is one key advantage Oregon has - and that is the usual. Oregon has a 35 point advantage in running the ball. This is very close to what advantage Oregon had against UCLA. Unlike UCLA, however, FSU does not give a decided advantage on standard downs, meaning that early on it's likely Oregon would have trouble running. Oddly, the biggest advantage Oregon has is on passing downs - over 25 points. Given how good FSU's pass defense is, this implies that the Ducks would either need to run play action or run Marcus Mariota quite a bit.
Oregon's Defense vs Florida State's offense
Hoo boy.
This doesn't look good. Nope, not one bit.
Oregon has an absurd 55 point deficit when FSU passes. I don't even know how to relate that; this is close to what Oregon has had on offense vs. the likes of Colorado. They also have a 50 point differential on passing downs. Again, this says 'unstoppable'. If that wasn't enough, FSU is the most efficient on drives - meaning they get scores, don't turn the ball over, and don't get bad penalties. All of this says that FSU is going to pass, pass, and pass some more. And Oregon will just watch. The good news, if you could call it that, is that FSU would not do exceedingly awesomely at running the ball; they only have a 16 point differential in their favor there. So if we can simply brainwash Jameis Winston to always hand off or run a lot of quarterback draws, Oregon might be in it. Maybe.
This must be how other fans feel when they see the absurd offensive advantage Oregon has over them.
How FEI sees the game:
Oregon's offense vs Florida State's defense
The biggest advantage Oregon has in raw numbers is on value drives and available yards. While FSU has so far done a good job holding their opponents' to shorter plays, they've not done a great job stopping teams early. I would expect Oregon to get at least some field position out of any drive they have, with the occasional big play that scores. The methodical values don't really matter; Oregon hasn't shown an inability to do them so much as a desire to avoid them at all costs and score as fast as possible. Once again, Oregon had zero drives that were 10 or more plays.
Oregon's defense vs. Florida State's offense
In raw values it doesn't get much closer than this: #2 vs. #2. Florida State is in many ways a mirror thematically of Oregon, and it shows up here; they're more explosive than Oregon, somewhat more likely to get a longer drive, and are excellent all around. Florida State doesn't have a ton of methodical drives because they simply score too fast, just like Oregon. Oregon is excellent at everything but especially so at stopping long drives and value drives, but only great at explosive drives; I would expect FSU scoring plays to largely be big ones.
Yes, if you're playing along I'm predicting both teams to score with big plays. This would be one hell of a fun game to watch. Think Oregon-Wisconsin Rose Bowl for how I'd expect it to play out.
How S+P sees the game:
Oregon's offense vs. Florida State's defense
This is a matchup of strength vs. strength for the most part. There is one key advantage Oregon has - and that is the usual. Oregon has a 35 point advantage in running the ball. This is very close to what advantage Oregon had against UCLA. Unlike UCLA, however, FSU does not give a decided advantage on standard downs, meaning that early on it's likely Oregon would have trouble running. Oddly, the biggest advantage Oregon has is on passing downs - over 25 points. Given how good FSU's pass defense is, this implies that the Ducks would either need to run play action or run Marcus Mariota quite a bit.
Oregon's Defense vs Florida State's offense
Hoo boy.
This doesn't look good. Nope, not one bit.
Oregon has an absurd 55 point deficit when FSU passes. I don't even know how to relate that; this is close to what Oregon has had on offense vs. the likes of Colorado. They also have a 50 point differential on passing downs. Again, this says 'unstoppable'. If that wasn't enough, FSU is the most efficient on drives - meaning they get scores, don't turn the ball over, and don't get bad penalties. All of this says that FSU is going to pass, pass, and pass some more. And Oregon will just watch. The good news, if you could call it that, is that FSU would not do exceedingly awesomely at running the ball; they only have a 16 point differential in their favor there. So if we can simply brainwash Jameis Winston to always hand off or run a lot of quarterback draws, Oregon might be in it. Maybe.
This must be how other fans feel when they see the absurd offensive advantage Oregon has over them.
How FEI sees the game:
Oregon's offense vs Florida State's defense
The biggest advantage Oregon has in raw numbers is on value drives and available yards. While FSU has so far done a good job holding their opponents' to shorter plays, they've not done a great job stopping teams early. I would expect Oregon to get at least some field position out of any drive they have, with the occasional big play that scores. The methodical values don't really matter; Oregon hasn't shown an inability to do them so much as a desire to avoid them at all costs and score as fast as possible. Once again, Oregon had zero drives that were 10 or more plays.
Oregon's defense vs. Florida State's offense
In raw values it doesn't get much closer than this: #2 vs. #2. Florida State is in many ways a mirror thematically of Oregon, and it shows up here; they're more explosive than Oregon, somewhat more likely to get a longer drive, and are excellent all around. Florida State doesn't have a ton of methodical drives because they simply score too fast, just like Oregon. Oregon is excellent at everything but especially so at stopping long drives and value drives, but only great at explosive drives; I would expect FSU scoring plays to largely be big ones.
Yes, if you're playing along I'm predicting both teams to score with big plays. This would be one hell of a fun game to watch. Think Oregon-Wisconsin Rose Bowl for how I'd expect it to play out.
This is a little bit of a misleading stat as California has the biggest population of any state in the U.S.
California has 12 million more people than Texas and nearly 19 Million more than Florida. Not to mention that Texas and FL will recruit from surrounding states that have a lot of talent as well. I'm not a "SEC" homer just pointing out that this is a little bit flawed.
bigger is more, they have more
I never said per capita
that's like saying Idaho doesn't have as much talent as California because they are smaller, I never gave a reason why, I just stated the fact
This is a little bit of a misleading stat as California has the biggest population of any state in the U.S.
California has 12 million more people than Texas and nearly 19 Million more than Florida. Not to mention that Texas and FL will recruit from surrounding states that have a lot of talent as well. I'm not a "SEC" homer just pointing out that this is a little bit flawed.
bigger is more, they have more
I never said per capita
that's like saying Idaho doesn't have as much talent as California because they are smaller, I never gave a reason why, I just stated the fact
doesn't matter how many people are there, the fact is that they have the most talent, my statement wasn't misleading at all
bigger is more, they have more
I never said per capita
that's like saying Idaho doesn't have as much talent as California because they are smaller, I never gave a reason why, I just stated the fact
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doesn't matter how many people are there, the fact is that they have the most talent, my statement wasn't misleading at all
bigger is more, they have more
I never said per capita
that's like saying Idaho doesn't have as much talent as California because they are smaller, I never gave a reason why, I just stated the fact
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1/169,066 - CALI
1/169,066 - CALI
after this response, I'd like to get back to games we know are taking place, I chose to respond the first time because you stated an opinion regarding the possible matchup, no problem, I don't want to spend time arguing over this game or the line though or which state has the most talent
California does, the stats back it up
more people = more players = more talent = more nfl players
kind of an inarguable topic
Florida St may beat Oregon, anything can happen in a college football game but one thing is for certain
if they somehow play this game, then there is no possible way that Florida St would be a 5-8 point favorite, whoever wrote that article hasn't been betting on sports or they would know the only team Vegas would open as a favorite over an undefeated Oregon team would be Alabama, that could all change if the Ducks lost but if they were undefeated playing an undefeated FSU then the Ducks would open as the favorite
numerous oddsmakers have already given their early lines for all the prospective matchups if the teams are undefeated
Bama favored over everyone
Oregon favored over everyone except Bama
Florida St favored over everyone except Bama and Oregon
could Florida St beat Oregon? yes
could Oregon beat Florida St? yes
doesn't change the fact that Oregon would be the favorite according to the betting line
after this response, I'd like to get back to games we know are taking place, I chose to respond the first time because you stated an opinion regarding the possible matchup, no problem, I don't want to spend time arguing over this game or the line though or which state has the most talent
California does, the stats back it up
more people = more players = more talent = more nfl players
kind of an inarguable topic
Florida St may beat Oregon, anything can happen in a college football game but one thing is for certain
if they somehow play this game, then there is no possible way that Florida St would be a 5-8 point favorite, whoever wrote that article hasn't been betting on sports or they would know the only team Vegas would open as a favorite over an undefeated Oregon team would be Alabama, that could all change if the Ducks lost but if they were undefeated playing an undefeated FSU then the Ducks would open as the favorite
numerous oddsmakers have already given their early lines for all the prospective matchups if the teams are undefeated
Bama favored over everyone
Oregon favored over everyone except Bama
Florida St favored over everyone except Bama and Oregon
could Florida St beat Oregon? yes
could Oregon beat Florida St? yes
doesn't change the fact that Oregon would be the favorite according to the betting line
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not really an arguable topic
like arguing that the day after Wednesday is Thursday
You're gonna need to omit logic if you wanna squabble with these loons. ![]()
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not really an arguable topic
like arguing that the day after Wednesday is Thursday
WAHOO. NICE THREAD... IBET 2000 A GAME... WAS WONDERING WHAT YOUR FAVORITE PLAY OF THE WEEKEND WAS... VOLS +3 ? THANKS GRAT JOB ... BEST OF LUCK
WAHOO. NICE THREAD... IBET 2000 A GAME... WAS WONDERING WHAT YOUR FAVORITE PLAY OF THE WEEKEND WAS... VOLS +3 ? THANKS GRAT JOB ... BEST OF LUCK
I don't look at that way but I do live in Texas and have this conversation often with people who claim the south has the most talent, it doesn't matter which side of the country you are from, California has the most talent and the most NFL players as of 2013, that's not an opinion, it's not misleading, it's simply a fact
not really an arguable topic
like arguing that the day after Wednesday is Thursday
I don't look at that way but I do live in Texas and have this conversation often with people who claim the south has the most talent, it doesn't matter which side of the country you are from, California has the most talent and the most NFL players as of 2013, that's not an opinion, it's not misleading, it's simply a fact
not really an arguable topic
like arguing that the day after Wednesday is Thursday
PS : if I have 2 cars and Bill Gates has 8 cars, the fact that Bill has more money than I do won't change the fact that he has more cars
PS : if I have 2 cars and Bill Gates has 8 cars, the fact that Bill has more money than I do won't change the fact that he has more cars
Hey Wahoo,
Took Oregon St -6 tonight (small). I know I got a horrible line but I don't think it matters when USC trots out 50 players out there every game and they suck on the road. \
The board looks tough this week. Might lay low. Books usually kill it in November.
Hey Wahoo,
Took Oregon St -6 tonight (small). I know I got a horrible line but I don't think it matters when USC trots out 50 players out there every game and they suck on the road. \
The board looks tough this week. Might lay low. Books usually kill it in November.
& California has the most
PS : if I have 2 cars and Bill Gates has 8 cars, the fact that Bill has more money than I do won't change the fact that he has more cars
Bill Gates has 8 llllaRRrge cars?
*slaps self* there, i slapped myself for everyone
& California has the most
PS : if I have 2 cars and Bill Gates has 8 cars, the fact that Bill has more money than I do won't change the fact that he has more cars
Bill Gates has 8 llllaRRrge cars?
*slaps self* there, i slapped myself for everyone
ULM + 4 (-120) (win)
Wash St. + 6.5 (1st half) (idiot loss)
Still pending:
Tennessee + 13
East Carolina - 22.5
I'm gonna keep this card to a minimum as I don't like it much at all & I haven't forced plays this season, no reason to start now
Leans
Auburn (if it goes down to 7)
West Virg/Scaro teaser @18.5 & 5.5
South Alabama (Mem beat ark st..lol)
A&M first quarter or half
& a few overs
May add something tomorrow or may just sit on two plays & save my money for next weeks games, not sure yet
Hope everyone plays it safe tomorrow & escapes with money left in their accounts, tomorrow has the potential to bury some bettors, don't be one of those
Best of Luck
ULM + 4 (-120) (win)
Wash St. + 6.5 (1st half) (idiot loss)
Still pending:
Tennessee + 13
East Carolina - 22.5
I'm gonna keep this card to a minimum as I don't like it much at all & I haven't forced plays this season, no reason to start now
Leans
Auburn (if it goes down to 7)
West Virg/Scaro teaser @18.5 & 5.5
South Alabama (Mem beat ark st..lol)
A&M first quarter or half
& a few overs
May add something tomorrow or may just sit on two plays & save my money for next weeks games, not sure yet
Hope everyone plays it safe tomorrow & escapes with money left in their accounts, tomorrow has the potential to bury some bettors, don't be one of those
Best of Luck
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