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    Somebody talk to me about K St vs Navy

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    TRAIN69
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 2:07 PM ET #1

    No lean side or total.....which is pretty unheard of for me.


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    No lean side or total.....which is pretty unheard of for me.


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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 2:16 PM ET #2

    I’m liking that over 
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 2:17 PM ET #3

    Tough game to cap. I'm going to dive into it more today..
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 2:18 PM ET #4

    That is a lot of running the ball and dunk passes  in that game !  Under if the defenses can get a few stops clock should be running with long drives 
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    That is a lot of running the ball and dunk passes  in that game !  Under if the defenses can get a few stops clock should be running with long drives 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 2:27 PM ET #5

    Navy QB Malcolm Perry became the 3rd QB in FBS history with 1500+ rushing yards and 20+ rushing TD in a season, joining Jordan Lynch of Northern Illinois (2013) and Lamar Jackson of Louisville (2016).  people expecting lots of offense?    N Illinois lost their bowl game 14-21     Louisville lost their bowl game 9-29.    Kansas St. beat Oklahoma this yr, they definitely will not be intimidated by Navy QB.   Navy has covered last 5 bowls, streaks rarely get to six.    Game under, 1st half game under, navy tt under, navy 1st half tt under, Kansas st. ML    

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    Navy QB Malcolm Perry became the 3rd QB in FBS history with 1500+ rushing yards and 20+ rushing TD in a season, joining Jordan Lynch of Northern Illinois (2013) and Lamar Jackson of Louisville (2016).  people expecting lots of offense?    N Illinois lost their bowl game 14-21     Louisville lost their bowl game 9-29.    Kansas St. beat Oklahoma this yr, they definitely will not be intimidated by Navy QB.   Navy has covered last 5 bowls, streaks rarely get to six.    Game under, 1st half game under, navy tt under, navy 1st half tt under, Kansas st. ML    

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 2:27 PM ET #6

    wouldn't doubt if it looked just like the wazzu game. i love the under tonight. i can def see a physical game with navy winning. k st has looked tough closing out the season and no doubt has the stronger sos, but man, these teams that don't see the option look so lost. the coach can even have option coaching prior experience and the players have no idea what to do still.

    from scottie hazelton:
    “There’s similarities. Air Force and Navy are a little bit different in kind of the styles they do, but the same basic triple stuff is in there. When I was at Southern Cal, we played Georgia Tech. There are probably more similarities with Georgia Tech than Air Force with this team. It’s kind of one of those deals that seems to follow me around. I don’t ever truly enjoy it to tell you the truth. I think it’s a hard thing to get ready for and it’s a hard thing to prepare your kids for the amount of cuts, how fast, all those things. At least we’ve been through it before so we know how to step into a program.”

    there's a good article on k st preparing for navy, but i doubt covers will allow me to post the link below. if all else fails, just take hasselback's idea from announcign the wazzu game and kick onside kicks so they don't chew up so much clock
    https://247sports.com/college/kansas-state/LongFormArticle/Kansas-State-football-stats-2019-Liberty-Bowl-K-State-Navy-Scottie-Hazelton-Wyatt-Hubert-Chris-Klieman-Ken-Niumatalolo-141271936/#141271936_10
    No team is as good as it looks when winning nor are they as bad as they look when losing
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    wouldn't doubt if it looked just like the wazzu game. i love the under tonight. i can def see a physical game with navy winning. k st has looked tough closing out the season and no doubt has the stronger sos, but man, these teams that don't see the option look so lost. the coach can even have option coaching prior experience and the players have no idea what to do still.

    from scottie hazelton:
    “There’s similarities. Air Force and Navy are a little bit different in kind of the styles they do, but the same basic triple stuff is in there. When I was at Southern Cal, we played Georgia Tech. There are probably more similarities with Georgia Tech than Air Force with this team. It’s kind of one of those deals that seems to follow me around. I don’t ever truly enjoy it to tell you the truth. I think it’s a hard thing to get ready for and it’s a hard thing to prepare your kids for the amount of cuts, how fast, all those things. At least we’ve been through it before so we know how to step into a program.”

    there's a good article on k st preparing for navy, but i doubt covers will allow me to post the link below. if all else fails, just take hasselback's idea from announcign the wazzu game and kick onside kicks so they don't chew up so much clock
    https://247sports.com/college/kansas-state/LongFormArticle/Kansas-State-football-stats-2019-Liberty-Bowl-K-State-Navy-Scottie-Hazelton-Wyatt-Hubert-Chris-Klieman-Ken-Niumatalolo-141271936/#141271936_10
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 2:29 PM ET #7

    Always like academy's in bowl games...Like the resume of Navy more than KS, Like the AF, Houston wins and were in the Memphis game till the end...OU win doesn't seem so big anymore for KS .. also feel Academy schools always practice and prepare better during bowls..

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    Always like academy's in bowl games...Like the resume of Navy more than KS, Like the AF, Houston wins and were in the Memphis game till the end...OU win doesn't seem so big anymore for KS .. also feel Academy schools always practice and prepare better during bowls..

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 2:31 PM ET #8

    Tough game but would take K St and lean under. K St coach used to be coach at North Dakota (St?) and played a lot of option teams so with a month to prepare K St can force Navy to grind it out.

    Navy played a lot of good offense bad defense teams so there numbers on both sides are a little inflated. Think this is a game that comes down to the last 5:00 so give me the points and I think with the high amount of running and solid defense that this game stays under.

    K St outright 23-21
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    Tough game but would take K St and lean under. K St coach used to be coach at North Dakota (St?) and played a lot of option teams so with a month to prepare K St can force Navy to grind it out.

    Navy played a lot of good offense bad defense teams so there numbers on both sides are a little inflated. Think this is a game that comes down to the last 5:00 so give me the points and I think with the high amount of running and solid defense that this game stays under.

    K St outright 23-21
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 2:37 PM ET #9

    K-state and under is the play. K-STATE has the discipline to contain that rushing attack.

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    K-state and under is the play. K-STATE has the discipline to contain that rushing attack.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 2:51 PM ET #10

    Navy hasn't been shy about scoring in their last 3 Bowls...  44, 45 and 49 points.  You know the effort you'll get from them.  Perfect weather tomorrow in Memphis too.   
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    Navy hasn't been shy about scoring in their last 3 Bowls...  44, 45 and 49 points.  You know the effort you'll get from them.  Perfect weather tomorrow in Memphis too.   
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 3:03 PM ET #11

    For what it's worth, my line on the game is Navy -1 with a 55 total. But KSU has one of the best DL in the Big 12. Other than Notre Dame, probably the best line that Navy has seen this year. And with a month to prepare for the option.
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    For what it's worth, my line on the game is Navy -1 with a 55 total. But KSU has one of the best DL in the Big 12. Other than Notre Dame, probably the best line that Navy has seen this year. And with a month to prepare for the option.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 10:17 PM ET #12

    All great stuff fellas! May be one I just leave alone or take a flyer on K st in an UDMLP 


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    All great stuff fellas! May be one I just leave alone or take a flyer on K st in an UDMLP 


     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 10:30 PM ET #13

    No opinion on either side but I would lean to the UNDER.  Navy is 92nd in pace of play while K-State is 108th.  Very different from many of the teams we're seeing this bowl season.

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    No opinion on either side but I would lean to the UNDER.  Navy is 92nd in pace of play while K-State is 108th.  Very different from many of the teams we're seeing this bowl season.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 10:48 PM ET #14

    Military academies are 34-13 (72)% in bowls. If there opponent has a 60% winning percentage they're 24-4 (86%)

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    Military academies are 34-13 (72)% in bowls. If there opponent has a 60% winning percentage they're 24-4 (86%)

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 11:36 PM ET #15

    Navy:
    loves to run but can put up nearly 40 pts a game with the run game.  
    Kans St run defense is suspect
    Navy has a very healthy 3rd down conversion ratio of 44.44% this year and 46% last 3 games
    Navy has 97.5% Red Zone conversion % into pts.
    Navy scores evenly between 1st half and 2nd half

    KState:
    Loves to pass scoring on average 31pts a game
    Navy pass defense is not good giving up over 200 yards a game
    KState converts 3rd downs at 41.6% and 43% last 3 games
    KState Red zone scoring 97.7% this year and 100% last 3 games
    KState scores about 15pts in first half and 14 second half

    With all players playing and the season stats should be a close game but high scoring with total over 60.  Total between 61 and 65
    BOL
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    Navy:
    loves to run but can put up nearly 40 pts a game with the run game.  
    Kans St run defense is suspect
    Navy has a very healthy 3rd down conversion ratio of 44.44% this year and 46% last 3 games
    Navy has 97.5% Red Zone conversion % into pts.
    Navy scores evenly between 1st half and 2nd half

    KState:
    Loves to pass scoring on average 31pts a game
    Navy pass defense is not good giving up over 200 yards a game
    KState converts 3rd downs at 41.6% and 43% last 3 games
    KState Red zone scoring 97.7% this year and 100% last 3 games
    KState scores about 15pts in first half and 14 second half

    With all players playing and the season stats should be a close game but high scoring with total over 60.  Total between 61 and 65
    BOL
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 11:39 PM ET #16

    Going to be at the game Buddy. The wife said she wants a unit on Navy -3 so I guess that is what I will be on. 


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    Going to be at the game Buddy. The wife said she wants a unit on Navy -3 so I guess that is what I will be on. 


     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 11:39 PM ET #17

    Short and sweet, I like mak104's advice. I'm going to wait for the game to get a flow going, and then either Live Bet it, or wait to make a 2nd half wager. I'm a degen, but probably won't make a pregame wager on this game. GL! 
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    Short and sweet, I like mak104's advice. I'm going to wait for the game to get a flow going, and then either Live Bet it, or wait to make a 2nd half wager. I'm a degen, but probably won't make a pregame wager on this game. GL! 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2019 - 12:29 AM ET #18

    Navy it is
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2019 - 12:34 AM ET #19

    When was the last time K-State defended against the triple-option?

    Hard to defend and chews up a ton of clock.

    Look at the Air Force game. Washington State had no answer, before you know it, it was halftime and they were down.

    I like Navy or the under.

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    When was the last time K-State defended against the triple-option?

    Hard to defend and chews up a ton of clock.

    Look at the Air Force game. Washington State had no answer, before you know it, it was halftime and they were down.

    I like Navy or the under.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2019 - 12:47 AM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    No lean side or total.....which is pretty unheard of for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    No lean side or total.....which is pretty unheard of for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizz_KIDD35:

    K STATE ( and points)

    I saw that your selection was K. State +3.5...

    Did you buy the hook?  All I see literally everywhere is Navy -3...

    PM for the skinny on the down low
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizz_KIDD35:

    K STATE ( and points)

    I saw that your selection was K. State +3.5...

    Did you buy the hook?  All I see literally everywhere is Navy -3...

     
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    K STATE ML... BOL.

     

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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2019 - 1:09 AM ET #23

    K State better get off to a good start..... those cut blocks wear on you!

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    in bowls i generally like to go with teams that are balanced offensively and against teams that can only either run or pass. That's why I thought Air Force had a great matchup vs Wazzou, they only pass and a team that plays backyard pitch and catch wouldnt want to play a tough running team.

    But with K State, they arent particularly good at either the run or pass. No players in the top 100 in the country in rushing. None in the top 100 for receiving. Skylar Thompson around 77th in the nation in pass yards and pass rating.

    I just dont see any identity with this team, which isnt surprising under a 1st year coach. Not many win a bowl their first year with a new team. Satterfield did, but he was playing another rebuilding, mediocre SEC team that had their starting QB out cuz a teammate broke his face.

    Navy doesnt have those issues. They arent fighting with each other after practice. They arent rebuilding. They have probably their best ever player leading them. And they have a true identity.

    Their style of play means they don't really get penalties, where K St is in the top 50 in the nation of most penalized. (FSU is top in that stat, something to note for the first game on Tues)

    Navy also gets more sacks and tackles for loss than K st.

     

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    in bowls i generally like to go with teams that are balanced offensively and against teams that can only either run or pass. That's why I thought Air Force had a great matchup vs Wazzou, they only pass and a team that plays backyard pitch and catch wouldnt want to play a tough running team.

    But with K State, they arent particularly good at either the run or pass. No players in the top 100 in the country in rushing. None in the top 100 for receiving. Skylar Thompson around 77th in the nation in pass yards and pass rating.

    I just dont see any identity with this team, which isnt surprising under a 1st year coach. Not many win a bowl their first year with a new team. Satterfield did, but he was playing another rebuilding, mediocre SEC team that had their starting QB out cuz a teammate broke his face.

    Navy doesnt have those issues. They arent fighting with each other after practice. They arent rebuilding. They have probably their best ever player leading them. And they have a true identity.

    Their style of play means they don't really get penalties, where K St is in the top 50 in the nation of most penalized. (FSU is top in that stat, something to note for the first game on Tues)

    Navy also gets more sacks and tackles for loss than K st.

     

     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2019 - 1:28 AM ET #25

    service academys in bowl have covered like 70 percent last 20 years so right now i do have a slight lean to the over 
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