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    Holmey's $$$$ Thread TUESDAY - Post Your BEST Play (With Writeup) - 03.01.16

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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 5:28 PM ET #101

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltingchaser:

    USC, keep this thread rolling brother. Great job moderating. This is actually making a better capper because of the high standards here.

    Gatorbear - much respect on the Kansas pick. I posted on yesterday's thread that Kansas -1.5 was the Game of the Century. Thanks. 

    Thanks, Tilting.  I have always thought that 'expectations are everything'.  If you expect a lot, the results follow.  If you expect nothing, results are poor.  I think people are understanding that if you can just go 2-0 or 3-1 on here every week and make your small contribution, then you can rely on others to do the same.  We've had a crazy-good run the last 10 days or so, so I am a little worried what happens when there is a cold spell, but we'll see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltingchaser:

    USC, keep this thread rolling brother. Great job moderating. This is actually making a better capper because of the high standards here.

    Gatorbear - much respect on the Kansas pick. I posted on yesterday's thread that Kansas -1.5 was the Game of the Century. Thanks. 

    Thanks, Tilting.  I have always thought that 'expectations are everything'.  If you expect a lot, the results follow.  If you expect nothing, results are poor.  I think people are understanding that if you can just go 2-0 or 3-1 on here every week and make your small contribution, then you can rely on others to do the same.  We've had a crazy-good run the last 10 days or so, so I am a little worried what happens when there is a cold spell, but we'll see!

     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 5:31 PM ET #102

    Quote Originally Posted by gatorbear:

    @Buffalo, some love for the Longhorns as well. 
    I think some clown came in and tried to dog everyone in the thread that was on KU and he got shut down real quick. It was a great pick yesterday but I think he gave the award to dawg because the game with write up was a winner before half. As long as we have all been betting these games, it wasn't a 100 percent winner at that point. 

    I love this thread and have made money from tailing some good cappers and that is what the bottom line is. Take money from the man and fund our degenerate ways. To take a Barry Switzer quote, "it's amazing what can be accomplished when no one is worried about taking the credit"
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    Quote Originally Posted by gatorbear:

    @Buffalo, some love for the Longhorns as well. 
    I think some clown came in and tried to dog everyone in the thread that was on KU and he got shut down real quick. It was a great pick yesterday but I think he gave the award to dawg because the game with write up was a winner before half. As long as we have all been betting these games, it wasn't a 100 percent winner at that point. 

    I love this thread and have made money from tailing some good cappers and that is what the bottom line is. Take money from the man and fund our degenerate ways. To take a Barry Switzer quote, "it's amazing what can be accomplished when no one is worried about taking the credit"
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 5:35 PM ET #103

    Quote Originally Posted by donkey_dealer08:

    I think some clown came in and tried to dog everyone in the thread that was on KU and he got shut down real quick. It was a great pick yesterday but I think he gave the award to dawg because the game with write up was a winner before half. As long as we have all been betting these games, it wasn't a 100 percent winner at that point. 

    I love this thread and have made money from tailing some good cappers and that is what the bottom line is. Take money from the man and fund our degenerate ways. To take a Barry Switzer quote, "it's amazing what can be accomplished when no one is worried about taking the credit"

    Boom!  This is a GREAT summation of the thread:

    "it's amazing what can be accomplished when no one is worried about taking the credit"

    My entire plan here is to get everyone to contribute their little bit and then we can all take those pieces and build whatever we want with them.  If you post just one winner a week, and then 25 other people do the same, then that means there is PLENTY for everyone to take away to make money with.  Thanks for the post, DD......

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey_dealer08:

    I think some clown came in and tried to dog everyone in the thread that was on KU and he got shut down real quick. It was a great pick yesterday but I think he gave the award to dawg because the game with write up was a winner before half. As long as we have all been betting these games, it wasn't a 100 percent winner at that point. 

    I love this thread and have made money from tailing some good cappers and that is what the bottom line is. Take money from the man and fund our degenerate ways. To take a Barry Switzer quote, "it's amazing what can be accomplished when no one is worried about taking the credit"

    Boom!  This is a GREAT summation of the thread:

    "it's amazing what can be accomplished when no one is worried about taking the credit"

    My entire plan here is to get everyone to contribute their little bit and then we can all take those pieces and build whatever we want with them.  If you post just one winner a week, and then 25 other people do the same, then that means there is PLENTY for everyone to take away to make money with.  Thanks for the post, DD......

     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 5:38 PM ET #104

    Oy.....Washington opened at -10.5 tomorrow but I can't get a bet down anywhere on it yet.  Dammmmnnnn........
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    Oy.....Washington opened at -10.5 tomorrow but I can't get a bet down anywhere on it yet.  Dammmmnnnn........
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 5:41 PM ET #105

    Ball St -3. And Air Force +4.5.
    Air Force 3-0 at home last 3. Beat out right UNLV Boise st New Mexico and lost last road game by 1 to Fresno
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    Ball St -3. And Air Force +4.5.
    Air Force 3-0 at home last 3. Beat out right UNLV Boise st New Mexico and lost last road game by 1 to Fresno
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 5:43 PM ET #106

    Ball st -3 snd Air Force +4.5. Air Force is three a no as underdogs and one all three out right last three home games lost last road game by one point to Fresno
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    Ball st -3 snd Air Force +4.5. Air Force is three a no as underdogs and one all three out right last three home games lost last road game by one point to Fresno
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 5:46 PM ET #107

    Holmey it is always going to be the same,once you start highlighting one particular capper for his play it leads to jealousy from the others,egos set in and everyone wants to be TOP DOG.Think just posting the record next to the name is best way,or when you used to post top consensus plays which would be the plays with the most cappers on it,but that takes a bit of time to sort through,never going to satisfy everyone.Overall I think it is a good thread with lots of good cappers and reasoning for picks,hope most keep doing what they have been but with success comes jealousy,just have to expect it.
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    Holmey it is always going to be the same,once you start highlighting one particular capper for his play it leads to jealousy from the others,egos set in and everyone wants to be TOP DOG.Think just posting the record next to the name is best way,or when you used to post top consensus plays which would be the plays with the most cappers on it,but that takes a bit of time to sort through,never going to satisfy everyone.Overall I think it is a good thread with lots of good cappers and reasoning for picks,hope most keep doing what they have been but with success comes jealousy,just have to expect it.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 5:55 PM ET #108

    Quote Originally Posted by KEYWEST:

    Quote Originally Posted by Thebigcat13:

    Hahaha omg what a baby
      Cat13 if you are going to bash on this awesome thread, please go away!!!


    I'm not bashing anyone, but we're here for one another, and he's getting upset for not getting recognition. There's no need for that. I'll leave it at that and stick to my picks. Great job everyone
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    Quote Originally Posted by KEYWEST:

    Quote Originally Posted by Thebigcat13:

    Hahaha omg what a baby
      Cat13 if you are going to bash on this awesome thread, please go away!!!


    I'm not bashing anyone, but we're here for one another, and he's getting upset for not getting recognition. There's no need for that. I'll leave it at that and stick to my picks. Great job everyone
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 5:58 PM ET #109

    Alrighty here goes dynamite.....i am 0-1 after a horrendous call on Duke vs Pitt

    $$$$Gtown Over 144.5

    Gtown has been an over machine this year as i think the bookies all have recollections of the defensive minded teams of the past

    Bottom line is this is one of the most undisciplined and foul prone Hoya teams i have ever seen.  The average score in their games this year is 144.8

    The last time they played Marquette the final was 80-70in DC.

    This Hoya team lacks an identity and tends to just depend on chucking 3s and fouling when they meet adversity.  This is an over bettors delight.

    Marquette on the other hand is a maturing young team with a legitimate stud freshman who needs to take care of business at home to have any chance to make a late season run.   My call is 84-73 Marquette.

    Playing the first half over of 67.5 and doing small parlays of Marq and Over.

    Here's to me getting back to even on the $$$
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    Alrighty here goes dynamite.....i am 0-1 after a horrendous call on Duke vs Pitt

    $$$$Gtown Over 144.5

    Gtown has been an over machine this year as i think the bookies all have recollections of the defensive minded teams of the past

    Bottom line is this is one of the most undisciplined and foul prone Hoya teams i have ever seen.  The average score in their games this year is 144.8

    The last time they played Marquette the final was 80-70in DC.

    This Hoya team lacks an identity and tends to just depend on chucking 3s and fouling when they meet adversity.  This is an over bettors delight.

    Marquette on the other hand is a maturing young team with a legitimate stud freshman who needs to take care of business at home to have any chance to make a late season run.   My call is 84-73 Marquette.

    Playing the first half over of 67.5 and doing small parlays of Marq and Over.

    Here's to me getting back to even on the $$$
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 6:05 PM ET #110

    On Virginia -4' (close to $$$$ play) Marquette -3' (Bubba )
    N Florida -14', Lafayette +10', Iowa/IU under 153

    Leaning Nebraska +3' (Purdue sucks on the road, and well, Matt Painter is coach, but my Purdue alum guy thinks they may cover)

    Air Force +4' $$$$$ Play

    It goes with plays like my Nevada play Sunday. A good home team playing a bad road team avenging a loss earlier. Plus this time getting points!  Air Force is 12-4 at home, Utah State 4-8 on the road with a road ATS of 4-8 . I know some of you don't use ATS, but in season conference ATS is something I like to use. Air Force is 6-1 ATS in revenging a loss this season. Their KP ratings aren;t far apart and KP has it a one point game (though I don't use that) Air Force is though at the bottom of the league in offense. They do have a better conference defense. Utah State has been horrible on the road in MWC play. I will take Air Force getting points at home where they win. 
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    On Virginia -4' (close to $$$$ play) Marquette -3' (Bubba )
    N Florida -14', Lafayette +10', Iowa/IU under 153

    Leaning Nebraska +3' (Purdue sucks on the road, and well, Matt Painter is coach, but my Purdue alum guy thinks they may cover)

    Air Force +4' $$$$$ Play

    It goes with plays like my Nevada play Sunday. A good home team playing a bad road team avenging a loss earlier. Plus this time getting points!  Air Force is 12-4 at home, Utah State 4-8 on the road with a road ATS of 4-8 . I know some of you don't use ATS, but in season conference ATS is something I like to use. Air Force is 6-1 ATS in revenging a loss this season. Their KP ratings aren;t far apart and KP has it a one point game (though I don't use that) Air Force is though at the bottom of the league in offense. They do have a better conference defense. Utah State has been horrible on the road in MWC play. I will take Air Force getting points at home where they win. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 6:16 PM ET #111

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    this thread gets the Most attention of any thread on this site as a have tracked it gets more daily reads than another forums thread including cnn and yahoo.

    welcome to prime time if this was a you tube channel for a month and collectively 3 million views in a month collectively. lets conduct ourselves accordingly gentlemen.

    gator your picks speak for themselves.



    you know why i like this its free. and small rolls have a chance to make life changing money without being gifted.

    nicely said, nature!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    this thread gets the Most attention of any thread on this site as a have tracked it gets more daily reads than another forums thread including cnn and yahoo.

    welcome to prime time if this was a you tube channel for a month and collectively 3 million views in a month collectively. lets conduct ourselves accordingly gentlemen.

    gator your picks speak for themselves.



    you know why i like this its free. and small rolls have a chance to make life changing money without being gifted.

    nicely said, nature!
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 6:21 PM ET #112

    Quote Originally Posted by PicN:

    Holmey it is always going to be the same,once you start highlighting one particular capper for his play it leads to jealousy from the others,egos set in and everyone wants to be TOP DOG.Think just posting the record next to the name is best way,or when you used to post top consensus plays which would be the plays with the most cappers on it,but that takes a bit of time to sort through,never going to satisfy everyone.Overall I think it is a good thread with lots of good cappers and reasoning for picks,hope most keep doing what they have been but with success comes jealousy,just have to expect it.

    Thanks, man.  I agree.

    Are you "PicNWinnas" from CBS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PicN:

    Holmey it is always going to be the same,once you start highlighting one particular capper for his play it leads to jealousy from the others,egos set in and everyone wants to be TOP DOG.Think just posting the record next to the name is best way,or when you used to post top consensus plays which would be the plays with the most cappers on it,but that takes a bit of time to sort through,never going to satisfy everyone.Overall I think it is a good thread with lots of good cappers and reasoning for picks,hope most keep doing what they have been but with success comes jealousy,just have to expect it.

    Thanks, man.  I agree.

    Are you "PicNWinnas" from CBS?

     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 6:27 PM ET #113

    Quote Originally Posted by USC_Holmey:

    Quote Originally Posted by TopFlightSports:

    Hey does anyone see a line on the Grand Canyon University vs St Mary's game tonight?  None of my books have it but I thought this was a game that might get added at some point.

    Why are GCU games rarely on the board?  They are Div. I for real now, right?


    The WAC is one of those conferences that never have their games open for betting for whatever reason, guessing because it's one of the worst conferences in basketball - usually their schools only appear on games that you can wager when they play someone out of conference or when the WAC tourney gets going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USC_Holmey:

    Quote Originally Posted by TopFlightSports:

    Hey does anyone see a line on the Grand Canyon University vs St Mary's game tonight?  None of my books have it but I thought this was a game that might get added at some point.

    Why are GCU games rarely on the board?  They are Div. I for real now, right?


    The WAC is one of those conferences that never have their games open for betting for whatever reason, guessing because it's one of the worst conferences in basketball - usually their schools only appear on games that you can wager when they play someone out of conference or when the WAC tourney gets going.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 6:30 PM ET #114

    Quote Originally Posted by USC_Holmey:

    Thanks, man.  I agree.

    Are you "PicNWinnas" from CBS?

    Yes
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    Quote Originally Posted by USC_Holmey:

    Thanks, man.  I agree.

    Are you "PicNWinnas" from CBS?

    Yes
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 6:31 PM ET #115

    [Quote: Originally Posted by Hattrick11] NHL PICK OF THE NIGHT.    

    New Jersey Devils -128 ML

    Devils own Carolina winning last 7 of 10. Carolina just traded their Captain Staal to the Rangers ( now playing with his Brother in NY ) and have lost their last 3 in a row.

    No way they walk into The Devils Barn and pull a W.  

    My first post in the thread.   I only CAP NHL and have made money with everyones contributions here   I am grateful and paying it forward. 

    Take the Devils.   



     Devils prob the play here but remember NJ just made a flurry of moves all their own trading away leading scorer Lee Stempniak, defenseman Erc Gelinas and F Stefan Matteau. Granted Gelinas and Matteau weren't regulars the loss of Stempniak will no doubt sting a bit for a team that wasn't an offensive juggernaut to begin with (dead last in NHL in scoring)

    BOL in the play 
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Hattrick11] NHL PICK OF THE NIGHT.    

    New Jersey Devils -128 ML

    Devils own Carolina winning last 7 of 10. Carolina just traded their Captain Staal to the Rangers ( now playing with his Brother in NY ) and have lost their last 3 in a row.

    No way they walk into The Devils Barn and pull a W.  

    My first post in the thread.   I only CAP NHL and have made money with everyones contributions here   I am grateful and paying it forward. 

    Take the Devils.   



     Devils prob the play here but remember NJ just made a flurry of moves all their own trading away leading scorer Lee Stempniak, defenseman Erc Gelinas and F Stefan Matteau. Granted Gelinas and Matteau weren't regulars the loss of Stempniak will no doubt sting a bit for a team that wasn't an offensive juggernaut to begin with (dead last in NHL in scoring)

    BOL in the play 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 6:33 PM ET #116

    My first crack at a $$$$ play tonight comes from Albuquerque where the reeling Lobos host the conference champion Aztecs in some Mountain West action.

    Conventional wisdom would tell you to ride the Aztecs here as they are far and away the best team in the conference .. But the Lobos desperately need a win here as they have dropped 3 straight and currently sit outside the Top 4 in the conference meaning they would not get a bye in the conference tournament.

    I just think the Lobos have a lot more to play for tonight than the Aztecs do, and given the home court flavor and it being senior night .. I'm taking the Lobos +1

    New Mexico +1 is my $$$$ play of the day.
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    My first crack at a $$$$ play tonight comes from Albuquerque where the reeling Lobos host the conference champion Aztecs in some Mountain West action.

    Conventional wisdom would tell you to ride the Aztecs here as they are far and away the best team in the conference .. But the Lobos desperately need a win here as they have dropped 3 straight and currently sit outside the Top 4 in the conference meaning they would not get a bye in the conference tournament.

    I just think the Lobos have a lot more to play for tonight than the Aztecs do, and given the home court flavor and it being senior night .. I'm taking the Lobos +1

    New Mexico +1 is my $$$$ play of the day.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 6:38 PM ET #117

    $$$$ Play

    Virginia/Clemson Under 124

    I was going to hold off from posting a money play today. I'm continuing to see the line drop everywhere so if you want this play then you have to get on it quick. I think it some places it's as low as 122.5.

    When these 2 get together...points are a rarity. As it's about ball control and limiting the possessions. Oh yeah...and defense. I want to say 6 to 7 of the last 10 meetings have barely reached the 125 mark.

    But possessions per game...these 2 teams are among the lowest in the NCAA when you talk about the fewest possessions per game. With Virginia ACTUALLY being THE lowest. Each team averages about 61-62 per game. Which means you have to be pretty efficient in your scoring otherwise you've got one helluva low scoring game.

    After crunching more numbers, with those very little total possessions per game in mind...I've got the score right around 56-53 for both teams. Which puts it WELL under the 124 mark. And when I mean crunching...I meant actually putting in the values for 3's made, 2's made and FT's made for this game.

    Mid-50 scores for both teams with nobody cracking the 60 point mark? Please put me down for this $$$$ play.

    Thanks Holmey brother. GLTA.
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    Virginia/Clemson Under 124

    I was going to hold off from posting a money play today. I'm continuing to see the line drop everywhere so if you want this play then you have to get on it quick. I think it some places it's as low as 122.5.

    When these 2 get together...points are a rarity. As it's about ball control and limiting the possessions. Oh yeah...and defense. I want to say 6 to 7 of the last 10 meetings have barely reached the 125 mark.

    But possessions per game...these 2 teams are among the lowest in the NCAA when you talk about the fewest possessions per game. With Virginia ACTUALLY being THE lowest. Each team averages about 61-62 per game. Which means you have to be pretty efficient in your scoring otherwise you've got one helluva low scoring game.

    After crunching more numbers, with those very little total possessions per game in mind...I've got the score right around 56-53 for both teams. Which puts it WELL under the 124 mark. And when I mean crunching...I meant actually putting in the values for 3's made, 2's made and FT's made for this game.

    Mid-50 scores for both teams with nobody cracking the 60 point mark? Please put me down for this $$$$ play.

    Thanks Holmey brother. GLTA.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 7:02 PM ET #118

    Coming from a real OG here Holmey. Been investing in the sports arena for over twenty years , and this is one of the better threads that I've seen. I've even tailed a couple times , and won . The Bottom line here, is we are all trying to beat the Books . I enjoy covers because, there are actually some good cappers on here. Everybody keep doing thier thing and produce winners, it's good moral . I'll help out immensely when football season hits, but in the mean time, I'll post my money play, when I'm extremely confident it will hit. Don't like to play with people's money . If I post, it'll probably hit. Thanks Homey, will keep us going here man.
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    Coming from a real OG here Holmey. Been investing in the sports arena for over twenty years , and this is one of the better threads that I've seen. I've even tailed a couple times , and won . The Bottom line here, is we are all trying to beat the Books . I enjoy covers because, there are actually some good cappers on here. Everybody keep doing thier thing and produce winners, it's good moral . I'll help out immensely when football season hits, but in the mean time, I'll post my money play, when I'm extremely confident it will hit. Don't like to play with people's money . If I post, it'll probably hit. Thanks Homey, will keep us going here man.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 7:26 PM ET #119

    Quote Originally Posted by USC_Holmey:

    Oy.....Washington opened at -10.5 tomorrow but I can't get a bet down anywhere on it yet.  Dammmmnnnn........
    I have it at betonline but it is 12.5
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    Quote Originally Posted by USC_Holmey:

    Oy.....Washington opened at -10.5 tomorrow but I can't get a bet down anywhere on it yet.  Dammmmnnnn........
    I have it at betonline but it is 12.5
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 7:28 PM ET #120

    Virginia -4 (no$$$$ wmi799 )
    Marquette -3 ($$$$ Bubba )
    Air Force +4 ($$$$ wmi799 )
    Kentucky -4 ($$$$ Rebel1927 w/Topflight insight )
    SDSU  -1.5 (My homer pick for fun )

    BOL to all!  Let's get it!


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    Virginia -4 (no$$$$ wmi799 )
    Marquette -3 ($$$$ Bubba )
    Air Force +4 ($$$$ wmi799 )
    Kentucky -4 ($$$$ Rebel1927 w/Topflight insight )
    SDSU  -1.5 (My homer pick for fun )

    BOL to all!  Let's get it!


     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 7:34 PM ET #121

    Good Times

    Joining you on your fun play 
    Histrionic personality disorder. It's sad
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    Joining you on your fun play 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 7:41 PM ET #122

    $$$$ TEXAS ARLINGTON @ THE HALF BY 6 $$$$$

    I like a hone team with lock down defense vs a garbage road team.. lock me in 
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    I like a hone team with lock down defense vs a garbage road team.. lock me in 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 7:47 PM ET #123

    I'm so liking ARKASAS LITTLE ROCK and that big 15.5 spread,  INDIANA +4, and TEXAS A&M -11... 
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    I'm so liking ARKASAS LITTLE ROCK and that big 15.5 spread,  INDIANA +4, and TEXAS A&M -11... 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 7:52 PM ET #124

    Glad to see that some others have found some gold in the mountain west. My $$$$ play is air force + 4 over Utah state. Not only has the flyboys won their last three games at home, as pointed out by gunnslinger 12, they are 6-1 ats for their last seven . For those who look at sagerin,  recent predictors has this game as a pick em.

    Also playing the aztecs of San Diego state over the lobos of new Mexico . Two teams going in opposite directions .

    Good luck to all.

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    Glad to see that some others have found some gold in the mountain west. My $$$$ play is air force + 4 over Utah state. Not only has the flyboys won their last three games at home, as pointed out by gunnslinger 12, they are 6-1 ats for their last seven . For those who look at sagerin,  recent predictors has this game as a pick em.

    Also playing the aztecs of San Diego state over the lobos of new Mexico . Two teams going in opposite directions .

    Good luck to all.

    Bandit
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 1, 2016 - 8:10 PM ET #125

    I just got GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS SOLO OVER 54 for the Half jump on that people 
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