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    Winning wager strategy for Pavlik-Taylor

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    anasamas
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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2007 - 2:15 PM ET #1

    By most accounts, this fight is a coin flip.
    Pavlik is a KO artist turning out the lights on 28 of his 31 opponents.
    Taylor has become more of a boxer. In his last seven contests, Taylor has gone the distance six times with the lone KO coming vs. 2nd tier opposition in Daniel Edouard back in February of 2005.

    The bets are:
    3.5 units on the fight going 11.5 rounds +1.10 to EVEN
    2 units on Pavlik by KO +2.50

    Using $100 per unit you win a minimum of $150 unless there is a no contest or if Taylor KO's Pavlik. If Pavlik happens to stop Taylor in the final 1:30 of the fight, you win both bets.
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    By most accounts, this fight is a coin flip.
    Pavlik is a KO artist turning out the lights on 28 of his 31 opponents.
    Taylor has become more of a boxer. In his last seven contests, Taylor has gone the distance six times with the lone KO coming vs. 2nd tier opposition in Daniel Edouard back in February of 2005.

    The bets are:
    3.5 units on the fight going 11.5 rounds +1.10 to EVEN
    2 units on Pavlik by KO +2.50

    Using $100 per unit you win a minimum of $150 unless there is a no contest or if Taylor KO's Pavlik. If Pavlik happens to stop Taylor in the final 1:30 of the fight, you win both bets.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 23, 2007 - 2:06 AM ET #2

    Take Pav.this guy is younger and more hungry and will back JM up all night.If Winky is backing up Taylor  Pav is gonna be killing him. Taylor is a great athlete was a sick track star but lacks fundamentals to beat a beast like Pav.
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    Take Pav.this guy is younger and more hungry and will back JM up all night.If Winky is backing up Taylor  Pav is gonna be killing him. Taylor is a great athlete was a sick track star but lacks fundamentals to beat a beast like Pav.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2007 - 5:55 PM ET #3

    I like ur thinking on this, I'm leaning towards JT via D
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    I like ur thinking on this, I'm leaning towards JT via D
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2007 - 6:53 PM ET #4

    You guys are crazy if you think Pavlik is going to stop Taylor.  Everyone hates Taylor so the line is very loose.  Careful with your KO prop man
     
    Taylor via decision for me
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    You guys are crazy if you think Pavlik is going to stop Taylor.  Everyone hates Taylor so the line is very loose.  Careful with your KO prop man
     
    Taylor via decision for me
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2007 - 7:46 PM ET #5

    Ghost knocks people out thats what he does Taylor hasnt knocked anyone one down never mind out out in 2 years and that was a former cheif sparrin partner of his. Let J.T. drop that left hand get lazy with The Ghost he wont last 6.JT will be
     
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    Ghost knocks people out thats what he does Taylor hasnt knocked anyone one down never mind out out in 2 years and that was a former cheif sparrin partner of his. Let J.T. drop that left hand get lazy with The Ghost he wont last 6.JT will be
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2007 - 9:38 AM ET #6

    Agree with MMA dont see taylor going down, probably be a typical taylor round stealing boring fight. Taylor Dec think
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    Agree with MMA dont see taylor going down, probably be a typical taylor round stealing boring fight. Taylor Dec think
     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2007 - 10:27 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by treasurecay25:

    Agree with MMA dont see taylor going down, probably be a typical taylor round stealing boring fight. Taylor Dec think


    Have you seen Pavlik fight? Be honest. 

    The only reason I ask is that Pavlik is so aggressive that JT won't be able to steal rounds unless he exchanges with him.  JT's been fighting either smaller guys (Spinks, Ouma) or defensive strategists (Hopkins, Wright, Spinks) in his last five fights.  Pavlik is completely different than those guys, so this fight's not going to look anything like the last five Taylor fights.  And you have to remember that JT KO'd five of his six opponents preceding his recent five fights against defensive guys.  JT was considered a KO guy prior to his 2005 fight with Hopkins.

    I'll be very surprised if the fight goes the distance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treasurecay25:

    Agree with MMA dont see taylor going down, probably be a typical taylor round stealing boring fight. Taylor Dec think


    Have you seen Pavlik fight? Be honest. 

    The only reason I ask is that Pavlik is so aggressive that JT won't be able to steal rounds unless he exchanges with him.  JT's been fighting either smaller guys (Spinks, Ouma) or defensive strategists (Hopkins, Wright, Spinks) in his last five fights.  Pavlik is completely different than those guys, so this fight's not going to look anything like the last five Taylor fights.  And you have to remember that JT KO'd five of his six opponents preceding his recent five fights against defensive guys.  JT was considered a KO guy prior to his 2005 fight with Hopkins.

    I'll be very surprised if the fight goes the distance.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2007 - 2:11 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by A2C:



    Have you seen Pavlik fight? Be honest. 

    The only reason I ask is that Pavlik is so aggressive that JT won't be able to steal rounds unless he exchanges with him.  JT's been fighting either smaller guys (Spinks, Ouma) or defensive strategists (Hopkins, Wright, Spinks) in his last five fights.  Pavlik is completely different than those guys, so this fight's not going to look anything like the last five Taylor fights.  And you have to remember that JT KO'd five of his six opponents preceding his recent five fights against defensive guys.  JT was considered a KO guy prior to his 2005 fight with Hopkins.

    I'll be very surprised if the fight goes the distance.
    Oumas Defencive? Judah got Spinks outa there.JT hasnt even dropped a fighter since 2005 and like u said he aint stealing rounds with Pavlik this guy does not stop punching and does not tire.Pavlik wins around 8 I think this is gonna be a Blow Out Either Way i cant wait
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    Quote Originally Posted by A2C:



    Have you seen Pavlik fight? Be honest. 

    The only reason I ask is that Pavlik is so aggressive that JT won't be able to steal rounds unless he exchanges with him.  JT's been fighting either smaller guys (Spinks, Ouma) or defensive strategists (Hopkins, Wright, Spinks) in his last five fights.  Pavlik is completely different than those guys, so this fight's not going to look anything like the last five Taylor fights.  And you have to remember that JT KO'd five of his six opponents preceding his recent five fights against defensive guys.  JT was considered a KO guy prior to his 2005 fight with Hopkins.

    I'll be very surprised if the fight goes the distance.
    Oumas Defencive? Judah got Spinks outa there.JT hasnt even dropped a fighter since 2005 and like u said he aint stealing rounds with Pavlik this guy does not stop punching and does not tire.Pavlik wins around 8 I think this is gonna be a Blow Out Either Way i cant wait
     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2007 - 6:50 PM ET #9

    I think some of you guys are making your opinions based on Pavlik's last fight on HBO.  Miranda is a come-forward slugger, whereas Taylor is not.  I don't think Taylor is dumb enough to stand in front Pavlik and exchange like Miranda did.  Can anyone recall a fight where Taylor has gone down?
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    I think some of you guys are making your opinions based on Pavlik's last fight on HBO.  Miranda is a come-forward slugger, whereas Taylor is not.  I don't think Taylor is dumb enough to stand in front Pavlik and exchange like Miranda did.  Can anyone recall a fight where Taylor has gone down?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2007 - 6:58 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by MMACapper:

    I think some of you guys are making your opinions based on Pavlik's last fight on HBO.  Miranda is a come-forward slugger, whereas Taylor is not.  I don't think Taylor is dumb enough to stand in front Pavlik and exchange like Miranda did.  Can anyone recall a fight where Taylor has gone down?
    Im not one of them guys ive seen this guy fight live i think your underestimating the punch output and and the  power of KP.You know i dont remember JT getting dropped but i do remember his left eye closed shut from a game but undersized Ouma.You dont have to be knocked out to be stopped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMACapper:

    I think some of you guys are making your opinions based on Pavlik's last fight on HBO.  Miranda is a come-forward slugger, whereas Taylor is not.  I don't think Taylor is dumb enough to stand in front Pavlik and exchange like Miranda did.  Can anyone recall a fight where Taylor has gone down?
    Im not one of them guys ive seen this guy fight live i think your underestimating the punch output and and the  power of KP.You know i dont remember JT getting dropped but i do remember his left eye closed shut from a game but undersized Ouma.You dont have to be knocked out to be stopped.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2007 - 7:26 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by MMACapper:

    I think some of you guys are making your opinions based on Pavlik's last fight on HBO.  Miranda is a come-forward slugger, whereas Taylor is not.  I don't think Taylor is dumb enough to stand in front Pavlik and exchange like Miranda did.  Can anyone recall a fight where Taylor has gone down?


    If Miranda wasn't a come-forward fighter, then Pavlik would've cornered him and inflicted the same type of damage, albeit earlier in the fight.  And when Miranda lost some of his aggression late, Pavlik had him backing up against the ropes and finished him.  Taylor doesn't want to back up against Pavlik.  That's why this fight is going to be completely different than recent Taylor fights....Also, Taylor has never gone down because he hasn't faced big punchers at the world-class level.  Pavlik has the KO power, so this will be a true test for Taylor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMACapper:

    I think some of you guys are making your opinions based on Pavlik's last fight on HBO.  Miranda is a come-forward slugger, whereas Taylor is not.  I don't think Taylor is dumb enough to stand in front Pavlik and exchange like Miranda did.  Can anyone recall a fight where Taylor has gone down?


    If Miranda wasn't a come-forward fighter, then Pavlik would've cornered him and inflicted the same type of damage, albeit earlier in the fight.  And when Miranda lost some of his aggression late, Pavlik had him backing up against the ropes and finished him.  Taylor doesn't want to back up against Pavlik.  That's why this fight is going to be completely different than recent Taylor fights....Also, Taylor has never gone down because he hasn't faced big punchers at the world-class level.  Pavlik has the KO power, so this will be a true test for Taylor.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2007 - 8:56 PM ET #12

    Pavlik wins in 9
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    Pavlik wins in 9
     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2007 - 9:32 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHING-IT:

    Im not one of them guys ive seen this guy fight live i think your underestimating the punch output and and the  power of KP.You know i dont remember JT getting dropped but i do remember his left eye closed shut from a game but undersized Ouma.You dont have to be knocked out to be stopped.

     

    You don't have to be knocked out to be stopped?  Get the fuck out of here!  Can anyone else vouch for this outrageous statement ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHING-IT:

    Im not one of them guys ive seen this guy fight live i think your underestimating the punch output and and the  power of KP.You know i dont remember JT getting dropped but i do remember his left eye closed shut from a game but undersized Ouma.You dont have to be knocked out to be stopped.

     

    You don't have to be knocked out to be stopped?  Get the fuck out of here!  Can anyone else vouch for this outrageous statement ?

     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2007 - 10:08 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by MMACapper:

     

    You don't have to be knocked out to be stopped?  Get the fuck out of here!  Can anyone else vouch for this outrageous statement ?



    I think that he was referring to being stopped by cuts/swelling or TKO'ed on your feet due to an accumulation of punches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMACapper:

     

    You don't have to be knocked out to be stopped?  Get the fuck out of here!  Can anyone else vouch for this outrageous statement ?



    I think that he was referring to being stopped by cuts/swelling or TKO'ed on your feet due to an accumulation of punches.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2007 - 10:55 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Fullbrights:



    I think that he was referring to being stopped by cuts/swelling or TKO'ed on your feet due to an accumulation of punches.

     

    Yeah I'm pretty sure he was telling me that.  Thought it was pretty obivous in standard boxing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fullbrights:



    I think that he was referring to being stopped by cuts/swelling or TKO'ed on your feet due to an accumulation of punches.

     

    Yeah I'm pretty sure he was telling me that.  Thought it was pretty obivous in standard boxing

     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2007 - 10:36 PM ET #16

    Pavlik win this one; most likely by KO. WAY too strong for JT.  JT has never faced anyone with his power.. Pavlik by KO rd 11.

     

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    Pavlik win this one; most likely by KO. WAY too strong for JT.  JT has never faced anyone with his power.. Pavlik by KO rd 11.

     

     
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    JT i think will win with his Philly shell defense (by his great counter punching skill).  Also I think Bernard Hopkins has more power than Pavlik (JT took some good shots against Bernard but didn't get knocked out) So I think JT should win by decision
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    JT i think will win with his Philly shell defense (by his great counter punching skill).  Also I think Bernard Hopkins has more power than Pavlik (JT took some good shots against Bernard but didn't get knocked out) So I think JT should win by decision
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2007 - 3:43 PM ET #18

    Ironically, neither one of the books I use is offering the Pavlik by KO prop, so...NEVER MIND
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    Ironically, neither one of the books I use is offering the Pavlik by KO prop, so...NEVER MIND
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevk87:

    JT i think will win with his Philly shell defense (by his great counter punching skill).  Also I think Bernard Hopkins has more power than Pavlik (JT took some good shots against Bernard but didn't get knocked out) So I think JT should win by decision

     

    NO WAY Hopkins has more pure one punch power than Pavlik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevk87:

    JT i think will win with his Philly shell defense (by his great counter punching skill).  Also I think Bernard Hopkins has more power than Pavlik (JT took some good shots against Bernard but didn't get knocked out) So I think JT should win by decision

     

    NO WAY Hopkins has more pure one punch power than Pavlik.

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