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    Why Oscar DeLaHoya Should Beat Pretty Boy Floyd.

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    Posted: May. 5, 2007 - 3:32 AM ET #1

    First of all I would like to say that Mayweather is an obviously very talented boxer who has tremendous speed of hand and foot and is probably the best 147 pound fighter in the world. That I'm sure is no surprise to anyone who follows the boxing game. But having said that I think floyd has lost some of his luster because of the way he chose to handle his career. He has been very selective in picking opponents and has always made sure that his style would complement the much slower boxers he decided to fight. A perfect example would be his match-up with Arturo Gatti. He knew that his hand-speed would be impossible for the slower Gatti to contend with. The result is he looks fantastic in a fight he had every possible advantage in. His only real test besides Castillo was Chico Corrales. He looked great in that fight because Corrales abandoned his jab and came into Floyd range face first. The outcome was predictable after the first round of combat. Now how about Zab Judah? Anyone could argue that he has tremendous speed and can really punch. But Mayweather had observed that Zab had become a 4 round fighter and knew he would tire and slow down. He was right but how come he couldn't take out an exhausted Zab in the final rounds? See Floyd hates to be hit and consequently takes no chances. So thats why I believe a real pressure fighter can give him fits. Castillo is a pressure fighter but was too slow to be totally effective against the quicker Mayweather.
     
     
    Now Let's look at Oscar DeLaHoya. Say what you want about him but you have to admit he fights all comers and ducks no one. I just think he possesses the perfect fighting style to test Floyd like he's never been tested before. He can pressure you but also has the hand speed and defense that a Castillo didn't. Another factor that I think plays into his favor is his powerful and steady jab. This jab can neutralize a lot of the speed advantage that Floyd might try to utilize against a lesser adversary. Floyd; as great a boxer as he is rarely uses his legs. He prefers to sit in the pockets and slip with his head and shoulders to make you miss. Then he loves to counter off a slow fighters mistakes. I do not see this strategy working against Oscar. DeLaHoya figures to hit Floyds arms and shoulders and wear him out in the process. I could go on and on but surfice to say that I bet a huge amount on Oscar and am very confident in my bet. Oscar legacy depends on a big effort. His pride will not allow him to be remembered for what some perceived as quitting against Hopkins. The crowd will be 80% DeLaHoya and in a BIG FIGHT this can not be underestimated. Most Great Upsets happen on a team or fighters home court. I see Mayweather taking the early rounds but starting with the 5th I foresee it being all DeLaHoya. If Floyd doesn't go into suvivor mode I would not be shocked to see the Late Round Stoppage for the Golden One. Not trying to change anyones minds. If you think I'm dead wrong stick with your own opinion and may the best man win.
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    First of all I would like to say that Mayweather is an obviously very talented boxer who has tremendous speed of hand and foot and is probably the best 147 pound fighter in the world. That I'm sure is no surprise to anyone who follows the boxing game. But having said that I think floyd has lost some of his luster because of the way he chose to handle his career. He has been very selective in picking opponents and has always made sure that his style would complement the much slower boxers he decided to fight. A perfect example would be his match-up with Arturo Gatti. He knew that his hand-speed would be impossible for the slower Gatti to contend with. The result is he looks fantastic in a fight he had every possible advantage in. His only real test besides Castillo was Chico Corrales. He looked great in that fight because Corrales abandoned his jab and came into Floyd range face first. The outcome was predictable after the first round of combat. Now how about Zab Judah? Anyone could argue that he has tremendous speed and can really punch. But Mayweather had observed that Zab had become a 4 round fighter and knew he would tire and slow down. He was right but how come he couldn't take out an exhausted Zab in the final rounds? See Floyd hates to be hit and consequently takes no chances. So thats why I believe a real pressure fighter can give him fits. Castillo is a pressure fighter but was too slow to be totally effective against the quicker Mayweather.
     
     
    Now Let's look at Oscar DeLaHoya. Say what you want about him but you have to admit he fights all comers and ducks no one. I just think he possesses the perfect fighting style to test Floyd like he's never been tested before. He can pressure you but also has the hand speed and defense that a Castillo didn't. Another factor that I think plays into his favor is his powerful and steady jab. This jab can neutralize a lot of the speed advantage that Floyd might try to utilize against a lesser adversary. Floyd; as great a boxer as he is rarely uses his legs. He prefers to sit in the pockets and slip with his head and shoulders to make you miss. Then he loves to counter off a slow fighters mistakes. I do not see this strategy working against Oscar. DeLaHoya figures to hit Floyds arms and shoulders and wear him out in the process. I could go on and on but surfice to say that I bet a huge amount on Oscar and am very confident in my bet. Oscar legacy depends on a big effort. His pride will not allow him to be remembered for what some perceived as quitting against Hopkins. The crowd will be 80% DeLaHoya and in a BIG FIGHT this can not be underestimated. Most Great Upsets happen on a team or fighters home court. I see Mayweather taking the early rounds but starting with the 5th I foresee it being all DeLaHoya. If Floyd doesn't go into suvivor mode I would not be shocked to see the Late Round Stoppage for the Golden One. Not trying to change anyones minds. If you think I'm dead wrong stick with your own opinion and may the best man win.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2007 - 4:07 AM ET #2

    how is dela hoya vs undefeated boxers? what is his record?
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    how is dela hoya vs undefeated boxers? what is his record?
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2007 - 10:36 AM ET #3

    Solid Red.  I would expect nothing less from you.  But, not a word about Mayweather being trained by DLH's former trainer.  What about that?  I see that as a HUGE advantage for Floyd.  He will be trained about DLH's movements, habits, hand position, etc. 
     
    I used to spar with someone who learned when I was throwing a left hook to the body.  Said I did something with my hands/posture right beforehand.  Started getting my ass countered hard and didn't know why.  You know what I mean.  Think this is a factor?
     
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    Solid Red.  I would expect nothing less from you.  But, not a word about Mayweather being trained by DLH's former trainer.  What about that?  I see that as a HUGE advantage for Floyd.  He will be trained about DLH's movements, habits, hand position, etc. 
     
    I used to spar with someone who learned when I was throwing a left hook to the body.  Said I did something with my hands/posture right beforehand.  Started getting my ass countered hard and didn't know why.  You know what I mean.  Think this is a factor?
     
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2007 - 11:00 AM ET #4

    It will take a small miracle for ODL to win this fight...ODL in his prime won a controversial decison aganist Pernell Whitaker who was on the downside of his career.  ODL lost twice to an overhyped ordinary fighter in Shane Mosley.  Mosley was a smaller quicker fighter who ODL just couldn't catch up to and you'll see the same thing tonight when FM blows by ODL round after round and wins a U dec. 
     
    Don't be shocked by a FM TKO because FM has no intentions of letting this go to the judges.  All of his losses in the amatuers have been disputed decisions and he doesn't want that to happen again.
     
    Floyd will just be too much for ODL.
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    It will take a small miracle for ODL to win this fight...ODL in his prime won a controversial decison aganist Pernell Whitaker who was on the downside of his career.  ODL lost twice to an overhyped ordinary fighter in Shane Mosley.  Mosley was a smaller quicker fighter who ODL just couldn't catch up to and you'll see the same thing tonight when FM blows by ODL round after round and wins a U dec. 
     
    Don't be shocked by a FM TKO because FM has no intentions of letting this go to the judges.  All of his losses in the amatuers have been disputed decisions and he doesn't want that to happen again.
     
    Floyd will just be too much for ODL.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2007 - 12:50 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by alwayswin:

    Solid Red.  I would expect nothing less from you.  But, not a word about Mayweather being trained by DLH's former trainer.  What about that?  I see that as a HUGE advantage for Floyd.  He will be trained about DLH's movements, habits, hand position, etc. 
     




    Alwayswin: I don't think that Floyd Sr. had much to do with Floyd's training at all, why do you think he got his feelings hurt and quit hanging around?  They didn't want him there or need him there.  Sr. got his tickets and hotel for the fight from DLH himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alwayswin:

    Solid Red.  I would expect nothing less from you.  But, not a word about Mayweather being trained by DLH's former trainer.  What about that?  I see that as a HUGE advantage for Floyd.  He will be trained about DLH's movements, habits, hand position, etc. 
     




    Alwayswin: I don't think that Floyd Sr. had much to do with Floyd's training at all, why do you think he got his feelings hurt and quit hanging around?  They didn't want him there or need him there.  Sr. got his tickets and hotel for the fight from DLH himself.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2007 - 1:22 PM ET #6

    Right you are fullbrights! I guess Floyd thought he would pick up more tips from 50 Cent then his father .I just have to remark that if Floyd comes into the ring to that awful crappy Rap Music I'm raising my bet to $10,000 even if I have to lay odds. I;ve never seen a fighter who enters the ring rapping win a fight. . My slogen is Enter Rapping === Leave on your Back!
     
     
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           Floyd has two chances of Ko ing Oscar==== Slim and None.
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    Right you are fullbrights! I guess Floyd thought he would pick up more tips from 50 Cent then his father .I just have to remark that if Floyd comes into the ring to that awful crappy Rap Music I'm raising my bet to $10,000 even if I have to lay odds. I;ve never seen a fighter who enters the ring rapping win a fight. . My slogen is Enter Rapping === Leave on your Back!
     
     
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           Floyd has two chances of Ko ing Oscar==== Slim and None.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2007 - 1:32 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by unlv45:

    It will take a small miracle for ODL to win this fight...ODL in his prime won a controversial decison aganist Pernell Whitaker who was on the downside of his career.  ODL lost twice to an overhyped ordinary fighter in Shane Mosley.  Mosley was a smaller quicker fighter who ODL just couldn't catch up to and you'll see the same thing tonight when FM blows by ODL round after round and wins a U dec. 
     
    Don't be shocked by a FM TKO because FM has no intentions of letting this go to the judges.  All of his losses in the amatuers have been disputed decisions and he doesn't want that to happen again.
     
    Floyd will just be too much for ODL.
     
    Shane Mosley=overhyped? What a joke!
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    Quote Originally Posted by unlv45:

    It will take a small miracle for ODL to win this fight...ODL in his prime won a controversial decison aganist Pernell Whitaker who was on the downside of his career.  ODL lost twice to an overhyped ordinary fighter in Shane Mosley.  Mosley was a smaller quicker fighter who ODL just couldn't catch up to and you'll see the same thing tonight when FM blows by ODL round after round and wins a U dec. 
     
    Don't be shocked by a FM TKO because FM has no intentions of letting this go to the judges.  All of his losses in the amatuers have been disputed decisions and he doesn't want that to happen again.
     
    Floyd will just be too much for ODL.
     
    Shane Mosley=overhyped? What a joke!
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2007 - 2:31 PM ET #8

    Odds that Mayweather claims that he hurt his hands if he loses. 100-1. Bet the Farm!!
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    Odds that Mayweather claims that he hurt his hands if he loses. 100-1. Bet the Farm!!
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2007 - 2:35 PM ET #9

    I agry on that Redlad.
    Reyes will not help, but ODLH has a bad left-mit as well.

    feliz o5/o5!
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    I agry on that Redlad.
    Reyes will not help, but ODLH has a bad left-mit as well.

    feliz o5/o5!
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    Posted: May. 6, 2007 - 1:03 AM ET #10

    Well I'll only eat Half a Crow losing a Split Decision betting on a fighter that opened up almost 3-1 underdog. If Oscar keeps jabbing he wins this fight going away but I think his stamina failed him in the last few rounds. As for Floyd. He fought like a box and ran away almost all night long as I suspected he would. He should be named the best hit and run boxer in the world. He is just plain BORING!! I'll never pay 2 cents to watch him fight (Run) again. In the old days where the pressure fighter got a major edge on the scorecards some judges would have been embarrassed to give the fight to Mayweather. I thought the fight was much closer then the know nothing woman stalking Lampley.The only one in that whole crew who understands scoring a fight probably is Merchant. I hear he's retiring and we will be losing a GREAT fight analysis if that's true. The Golden Boy should be proud because he definitely proved he has the bigger pair of BALLS of the two fighters. Back to the Baseball diamond because the last time I remember being on the right side of a Split decision is about 20 years ago.  . Congratulations to all that had the scorecard winner and I hope I did not influence anyone to change their picl.
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    Well I'll only eat Half a Crow losing a Split Decision betting on a fighter that opened up almost 3-1 underdog. If Oscar keeps jabbing he wins this fight going away but I think his stamina failed him in the last few rounds. As for Floyd. He fought like a box and ran away almost all night long as I suspected he would. He should be named the best hit and run boxer in the world. He is just plain BORING!! I'll never pay 2 cents to watch him fight (Run) again. In the old days where the pressure fighter got a major edge on the scorecards some judges would have been embarrassed to give the fight to Mayweather. I thought the fight was much closer then the know nothing woman stalking Lampley.The only one in that whole crew who understands scoring a fight probably is Merchant. I hear he's retiring and we will be losing a GREAT fight analysis if that's true. The Golden Boy should be proud because he definitely proved he has the bigger pair of BALLS of the two fighters. Back to the Baseball diamond because the last time I remember being on the right side of a Split decision is about 20 years ago.  . Congratulations to all that had the scorecard winner and I hope I did not influence anyone to change their picl.
     
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    Bizarre performance from ODH from round 9 onwards. Had some small action on the Golden boy but at the end of the day i personally do not have any complaints. Mayweather did enough and had more accuracy and it never was a split decision.
    Obviously i would of rather won my boxing play but im not bitter like i have been with other fights in the past.
    Im english so i cant wait for my boy Hatton to fight Castillo in june,i saw him in Boston last year and my mates witnessed his last fight in Paris at Vegas a couple of months ago so i am really looking forward to that fight.
    Oh well onto the b-ball for sunday and much appreciated REDLAD for your writeup.
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    Bizarre performance from ODH from round 9 onwards. Had some small action on the Golden boy but at the end of the day i personally do not have any complaints. Mayweather did enough and had more accuracy and it never was a split decision.
    Obviously i would of rather won my boxing play but im not bitter like i have been with other fights in the past.
    Im english so i cant wait for my boy Hatton to fight Castillo in june,i saw him in Boston last year and my mates witnessed his last fight in Paris at Vegas a couple of months ago so i am really looking forward to that fight.
    Oh well onto the b-ball for sunday and much appreciated REDLAD for your writeup.
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2007 - 1:10 AM ET #12

    In no way should this have been a split decision.  Floyd win this fight 9-3.
     
     
    GET EM' FLOYD!!
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    In no way should this have been a split decision.  Floyd win this fight 9-3.
     
     
    GET EM' FLOYD!!
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2007 - 1:15 AM ET #13

    I get your point but you have to admit that Oscar made the fight. That in the judges scoring manuel is one of the 3 factors to be considered along with defense and clean punches landed. By that standard Oscar would get points for what they call effective agressiveness and ring generalship in every single round. Vegas is famous for scoring the fight for the fighter constantly coming forward in the last 15 years. It depends on what you like in scoring a fight. I can understand how some would think that Floyd landed the cleaner punches but everything was one punch at a time. No combination shots that I saw do any damage.Well I don't want to sound like a cry baby so I'll leave it at that.
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    I get your point but you have to admit that Oscar made the fight. That in the judges scoring manuel is one of the 3 factors to be considered along with defense and clean punches landed. By that standard Oscar would get points for what they call effective agressiveness and ring generalship in every single round. Vegas is famous for scoring the fight for the fighter constantly coming forward in the last 15 years. It depends on what you like in scoring a fight. I can understand how some would think that Floyd landed the cleaner punches but everything was one punch at a time. No combination shots that I saw do any damage.Well I don't want to sound like a cry baby so I'll leave it at that.
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2007 - 1:25 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by Redlad:

    I get your point but you have to admit that Oscar made the fight. That in the judges scoring manuel is one of the 3 factors to be considered along with defense and clean punches landed. By that standard Oscar would get points for what they call effective agressiveness and ring generalship in every single round. Vegas is famous for scoring the fight for the fighter constantly coming forward in the last 15 years. It depends on what you like in scoring a fight. I can understand how some would think that Floyd landed the cleaner punches but everything was one punch at a time. No combination shots that I saw do any damage.Well I don't want to sound like a cry baby so I'll leave it at that.
     
    Agreed, Oscar made the fight and I had him winning! Even Floyd Sr had Oscar winning. This running around throwing two punches at a time is garbage. Mayrunner did nothing in the fight, and Oscar ended up throwing something like 150 more punches. Mayrunner laned more, but of course he threw less and made Oscar put for the effort to attempt to make a fight of it.   
     
    I say BOOOOOOOOOOO to Mayrunner!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redlad:

    I get your point but you have to admit that Oscar made the fight. That in the judges scoring manuel is one of the 3 factors to be considered along with defense and clean punches landed. By that standard Oscar would get points for what they call effective agressiveness and ring generalship in every single round. Vegas is famous for scoring the fight for the fighter constantly coming forward in the last 15 years. It depends on what you like in scoring a fight. I can understand how some would think that Floyd landed the cleaner punches but everything was one punch at a time. No combination shots that I saw do any damage.Well I don't want to sound like a cry baby so I'll leave it at that.
     
    Agreed, Oscar made the fight and I had him winning! Even Floyd Sr had Oscar winning. This running around throwing two punches at a time is garbage. Mayrunner did nothing in the fight, and Oscar ended up throwing something like 150 more punches. Mayrunner laned more, but of course he threw less and made Oscar put for the effort to attempt to make a fight of it.   
     
    I say BOOOOOOOOOOO to Mayrunner!
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2007 - 1:53 AM ET #15

    Redlad i see do share your overall view of the fight and do agree with your post match verdict. Thats the problem with the sport of boxing because decisions come down to judges and at the end of the day its just the human eye and maybe influences here and there but im not getting into that. This is what determines the ultimate outcome in this sport and  its not definates like there are in all other major scoring sports.
    For sure it can leave us all very frustrated myself included so you do make total sense on the matter.
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    Redlad i see do share your overall view of the fight and do agree with your post match verdict. Thats the problem with the sport of boxing because decisions come down to judges and at the end of the day its just the human eye and maybe influences here and there but im not getting into that. This is what determines the ultimate outcome in this sport and  its not definates like there are in all other major scoring sports.
    For sure it can leave us all very frustrated myself included so you do make total sense on the matter.
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2007 - 2:00 AM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Redlad:

    I get your point but you have to admit that Oscar made the fight. That in the judges scoring manuel is one of the 3 factors to be considered along with defense and clean punches landed. By that standard Oscar would get points for what they call effective agressiveness and ring generalship in every single round. Vegas is famous for scoring the fight for the fighter constantly coming forward in the last 15 years. It depends on what you like in scoring a fight. I can understand how some would think that Floyd landed the cleaner punches but everything was one punch at a time. No combination shots that I saw do any damage.Well I don't want to sound like a cry baby so I'll leave it at that.


    I judge fights on punches that actually land and not windmill shots that hit gloves, I don't think that punches that miss fall into the category of effective aggressiveness.  Oscar proved his worth tonight and did better than I thought he would, but he proved once again why he will always be remembered as a fighter who couldn't push himself to beat the elite fighters he faced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redlad:

    I get your point but you have to admit that Oscar made the fight. That in the judges scoring manuel is one of the 3 factors to be considered along with defense and clean punches landed. By that standard Oscar would get points for what they call effective agressiveness and ring generalship in every single round. Vegas is famous for scoring the fight for the fighter constantly coming forward in the last 15 years. It depends on what you like in scoring a fight. I can understand how some would think that Floyd landed the cleaner punches but everything was one punch at a time. No combination shots that I saw do any damage.Well I don't want to sound like a cry baby so I'll leave it at that.


    I judge fights on punches that actually land and not windmill shots that hit gloves, I don't think that punches that miss fall into the category of effective aggressiveness.  Oscar proved his worth tonight and did better than I thought he would, but he proved once again why he will always be remembered as a fighter who couldn't push himself to beat the elite fighters he faced.
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2007 - 3:05 AM ET #17

    who won
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    who won
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2007 - 3:06 AM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by ub40baby:

    who won



    Where are you located? Mars?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ub40baby:

    who won



    Where are you located? Mars?
     
     
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    Pretty Boy looks like another dumb ass walked into the Lions den Mayweather
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    Pretty Boy looks like another dumb ass walked into the Lions den Mayweather
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