• Forums
  • Best Betting Sites
  • Sportsbook Promos
  • Best Sports Betting Apps
  • NFL Betting Forum
  • NBA Betting Forum
  • MLB Betting Forum
  • NHL Betting Forum
  • NCAAF Betting Forum
  • NCAAB Betting Forum
  • Soccer Betting Forum
  • Tennis Betting Forum
  • General Discussion
  • Help Forum
  • Guidelines
  • FAQ
  • Forum Updates
    Covers Logo
    Covers App
    Faster picks. Smarter bets.
    All in the NEW Covers App
    Download on the App Store Download on the Google Play Store
    • Sports
      • NFL
        • Back
        • NFL
        • NFL Home
        • Scores & Matchups
        • Prop Projections
        • NFL Picks
        • NFL Prediction Prices
        • Weather
        • Injuries
      • NCAAF
        • Back
        • NCAAF
        • NCAAF Home
        • Scores & Matchups
        • Prop Projections
        • NCAAF Picks
        • Weather
        • Injuries
      • NBA
        • Back
        • NBA
        • NBA Home
        • Scores & Matchups
        • Prop Projections
        • NBA Picks
        • Injuries
      • NCAAB
        • Back
        • NCAAB
        • NCAAB Home
        • Scores & Matchups
        • NCAAB Picks
        • Injuries
      • MLB
        • Back
        • MLB
        • MLB Home
        • Scores & Matchups
        • Prop Projections
        • MLB Picks
        • Weather
        • Injuries
      • NHL
        • Back
        • NHL
        • NHL Home
        • Scores & Matchups
        • Prop Projections
        • NHL Picks
        • Injuries
      • Soccer
      • UFC
      • WNBA
        • Back
        • WNBA
        • WNBA Home
        • Scores & Matchups
        • WNBA Picks
        • Injuries
      • CFL
        • Back
        • CFL
        • CFL Home
        • Scores & Matchups
        • CFL Picks
      • Golf
        • Back
        • Golf
        • Golf Home
        • Golf Odds
        • Masters Odds
        • PGA Championship Odds
        • US Open Odds
        • British Open Odds
        • Ryder Cup Odds
        • Golf Picks
    • Odds
      • All Odds
      • NFL
      • NCAAF
      • NBA
      • NCAAB
      • MLB
      • NHL
      • Golf
      • Soccer Odds
        • Back
        • Soccer Odds
        • MLS Odds
        • Champions League Odds
        • Premier League Odds
      • UFC
      • WNBA
      • CFL
      • Election Odds
      • Futures
        • Back
        • Futures
        • NFL
        • NBA
        • MLB
        • NHL
        • NCAAB
        • NCAAF
      • Sports Odds History
      • Politics
        • Back
        • Politics
        • Politics Home
        • Presidential Election Odds
        • Midterm Election Odds
        • House Midterm Odds
        • Senate Midterm Odds
        • Texas Midterm Odds
        • Michigan Midterm Odds
    • Picks
      • All Picks
      • NFL
      • NBA
      • NHL
      • MLB
      • NCAAF
      • NCAAB
      • Golf
      • WNBA
      • CFL
      • User Picks
      • Team User Picks
      • Consensus Picks
        • Back
        • Consensus Picks
        • All Consensus Picks
        • NFL
        • NBA
        • NHL
        • MLB
        • NCAAF
        • NCAAB
        • CFL
        • WNBA
        • Consensus FAQ
        • Public Money
    • Prop Projections
      • NFL
      • NBA
      • MLB
      • NHL
    • Betting
      • US Betting Sites
      • Canada Betting Sites
      • Sportsbook Reviews
      • States
        • Back
        • States
        • US Legal Tracker
        • Revenue Tracker
        • Arizona
        • Arkansas
        • California
        • Colorado
        • Connecticut
        • DC
        • Florida
        • Georgia
        • Illinois
        • Indiana
        • Iowa
        • Kansas
        • Kentucky
        • Louisiana
        • Maine
        • Maryland
        • Massachusetts
        • Michigan
        • Mississippi
        • Missouri
        • Nevada
        • New Hampshire
        • New Jersey
        • New York
        • North Carolina
        • Ohio
        • Oregon
        • Pennsylvania
        • Tennessee
        • Texas
        • Vermont
        • Virginia
        • West Virginia
        • Wyoming
      • Provinces
        • Back
        • Provinces
        • Alberta
        • British Columbia
        • Manitoba
        • New Brunswick
        • Newfoundland and Labrador
        • Northwest Territories
        • Nova Scotia
        • Nunavut
        • Ontario
        • Prince Edward Island
        • Quebec (English)
        • Quebec (francais)
        • Saskatchewan
        • Yukon
      • By Sport
        • Back
        • By Sport
        • Baseball
        • Basketball
        • Boxing
        • College Football
        • F1
        • Football
        • Super Bowl
        • Golf
        • Hockey
        • Horse Racing
        • March Madness
        • Soccer
        • UFC
        • World Cup
      • Betting Apps
        • Back
        • Betting Apps
        • Best Sports Betting Apps USA
        • Ontario Sports Betting Apps
      • Rest of World
        • Back
        • Rest of World
        • UK Betting Offers
          • Back
          • UK Betting Offers
          • UK Betting Sites
          • bet365 Bonus Code UK
          • 888Sport Promo Code UK
          • William Hill Sign up Offer
          • Betway Sign up Offer
          • BetVictor Bonus Code UK
      • Betting Guides
        • Back
        • Betting Guides
        • All Guides
        • Glossary
        • Betting Calculators
          • Back
          • Betting Calculators
          • Odds Converter
          • Parlay Calculator
        • Futures Betting Guide
        • Moneyline Betting Guide
        • Over/Under Betting Guide
        • Parlay Betting Guide
        • Point Spread Betting Guide
        • Prop Betting Guide
        • Sports Betting Guides
          • Back
          • Sports Betting Guides
          • How To Bet On Sports Guide
          • NFL Betting Guide
          • NHL Betting Guide
          • NBA Betting Guide
          • MLB Betting Guide
          • NCAAB Betting Guide
          • NCAAF Betting Guide
          • Golf Betting Guide
          • Tennis Betting Guide
        • Teaser Betting Guide
      • Betting News
        • Back
        • Betting News
        • All News
        • Industry News
        • Podcasts
        • Covers Videos
        • Covers Writers
        • Offers & Boosts
    • Promos
      • Sportsbook Promos
      • Canada Sportsbook Promos
      • Bonuses By Sportsbook
        • Back
        • Bonuses By Sportsbook
        • bet365 Bonus Code
        • BET99 Promo Code
        • BetMGM Bonus Code
        • BetRivers Bonus Code
        • Caesars Sportsbook Promo
        • DraftKings Promo Code
        • Fanatics Sportsbook Promo
        • FanDuel Promo Code
        • Hard Rock Bet Promo Code
        • Sports Interaction Promo
        • Stake Promo Code
        • theScore Bet Promo Code
        • TonyBet Promo Code
      • Bonuses By Region
        • Back
        • Bonuses By Region
        • Arkansas Promos
        • Arizona Promos
        • Colorado Promos
        • Connecticut Promos
        • DC Promos
        • Illinois Promos
        • Indiana Promos
        • Iowa Promos
        • Kansas Promos
        • Kentucky Promos
        • Louisiana Promos
        • Maine Promos
        • Maryland Promos
        • Massachusetts Promos
        • Michigan Promos
        • Missouri Promos
        • New Jersey Promos
        • New York Promos
        • North Carolina Promos
        • Ohio Promos
        • Pennsylvania Promos
        • Tennessee Promos
        • Vermont Promos
        • Virginia Promos
        • West Virginia Promos
        • Wyoming Promos
    • Forum & Contests
      • All Forums
      • NFL Betting Forum
      • MLB Betting Forum
      • NCAAB Betting Forum
      • NCAAF Betting Forum
      • NBA Betting Forum
      • NHL Betting Forum
      • Soccer Betting Forum
      • Contests
        • Back
        • Contests
        • Contests Home
        • Streak Survivor
        • King of Covers
        • My Contests
    • Casino
      • Sweepstakes Casino
        • Back
        • Sweepstakes Casino
        • Sweepstakes Casino
        • Sweepstakes No-Deposit Bonuses
        • Sweepstakes Promos
          • Back
          • Sweepstakes Promos
          • Card Crush
          • Casino.click
          • Chanced Casino
          • Crown Coins Casino
          • FreeSpin Casino
          • LoneStar
          • McLuck
          • Mega Bonanza Casino
          • PlayFame
          • Pulsz
          • Stake.us
      • US Casinos
        • Back
        • US Casinos
        • US Online Casinos
        • US Online Casino Bonuses
        • Casino Promos
          • Back
          • Casino Promos
          • bet365 Casino Promo Code
          • BetRivers Casino Promo
          • Borgata Casino Bonus Code
          • Caesars Casino Bonus Code
          • DraftKings Casino Promo
          • Fanatics Casino Promo
          • FanDuel Casino Promo Code
          • Golden Nugget Casino Promo
          • Hard Rock Bet Casino Promo
          • Hollywood Casino Promo Code
      • Canada Casinos
        • Back
        • Canada Casinos
        • Canada Online Casinos
        • Provinces
          • Back
          • Provinces
          • Alberta Online Casino
          • BC Online Casino
          • Ontario Online Casinos
        • Casino Promos
          • Back
          • Casino Promos
          • BC.GAME Bonus Code
          • Cloudbet Promo Code
          • RainBet Promo Code
          • Roobet Promo Code
          • Shuffle Promo Code
          • Thrill Promo Code
    • Prediction Markets
      • Prediction Markets
      • Prediction Market Apps
      • Prediction Market Promos
      • Kalshi Promo Code
      • Kalshi Referral Code
      • Polymarket Promo Code
      • Polymarket Referral Code
      • DraftKings Predictions Promo Code
      • Novig Promo Code
      • ProphetX Promo Code
      • Underdog Promo Code
      • Betr Promo Code
      • OG Promo Code
      • Fanatics Markets Promo Code
      • Plus500 Promo Code
      • Gemini Predictions Promo Code
    • NBA Opening Night
      NBA Opening Night
      • NBA Odds
      • NBA Picks
      • NBA Moneyline Picks
      • Celtics-Pistons Picks
      • 76ers-Knicks Picks
      • Thunder-Spurs Picks
      • NBA Prediction Markets
      • NBA Betting Sites
    Covers Account
    Log in Create account
    Join free Log in
    All Forums | Boxing

    WHO IS THE KING.....

    bumpy24
    Jerseyboy89
    ZOUK
    thesoulpurpose
    Participants:
    Search
    Views: 274
    Posts: 5
     
    bumpy24
    bumpy24
    Banned
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Sep, 2011
    Posts: 40
    Posted: Oct. 3, 2011 - 7:17 PM ET #1

    COULD IT BE MAYWEATHER OR SUPER MANNY...?...I THINK MANNY CAN HURT MAYWEATHER...THATS IFFFF...MAYWEATHER GETS A BIG SHOT BY THE MANILA HURRICANE...OR MAYWEATHER CAN TAKE HIS BIGGEST WIN EVER BY POINTS...

    WHATS YOUR OPINION..?...WHOS THE KING

    Reply
    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    COULD IT BE MAYWEATHER OR SUPER MANNY...?...I THINK MANNY CAN HURT MAYWEATHER...THATS IFFFF...MAYWEATHER GETS A BIG SHOT BY THE MANILA HURRICANE...OR MAYWEATHER CAN TAKE HIS BIGGEST WIN EVER BY POINTS...

    WHATS YOUR OPINION..?...WHOS THE KING

     
    Jerseyboy89
    Jerseyboy89
    Veteran
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Sep, 2010
    Posts: 2608
    Posted: Oct. 3, 2011 - 7:35 PM ET #2

    Mayweather was hurting and walking down Ortiz who was 165 fight night.  You think he can KO/TKO Manny you're crazy.  Manny will be beating right hands all night long and Mayweather has the size and reach advantage.  I don't think Manny will be able to eat those punches for 12.  
    Reply
    Mayweather was hurting and walking down Ortiz who was 165 fight night.  You think he can KO/TKO Manny you're crazy.  Manny will be beating right hands all night long and Mayweather has the size and reach advantage.  I don't think Manny will be able to eat those punches for 12.  
     
    ZOUK
    ZOUK
    Veteran
    Participation Meter
    Joined: May, 2011
    Posts: 1121
    Posted: Oct. 3, 2011 - 10:18 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerseyboy89:

    Mayweather was hurting and walking down Ortiz who was 165 fight night.  You think he can KO/TKO Manny you're crazy.  Manny will be beating right hands all night long and Mayweather has the size and reach advantage.  I don't think Manny will be able to eat those punches for 12.  

    Jerseyboy89: I think you may have made a few typo errors, so I will correct them before it confuses members. Correct me if I'm wrong in my re-creation, as you know better what you meant as you wrote it:
    "think he can KO/TKO Manny" switch (can = can't)
    "Manny will be beating right hands" switch (beating = eating)
    Now I think readers will not get lost easily, as we often do (lol)

    Anyhow, Ortiz being 165lbs was a sign of early fatigue, reduced speed, less activity and overall weakness not being able to maintain a weight. The weight gain had no advantages. Fighters do it for many reasons. Michael Moorer when he had fought light heavyweight (175lbs), basically killed himself to make weight. The reasons for so many early KOs is that he was a natural heavyweight and was superior in strength and punching power, but he had to win fast as the weight fluctuations really fatigued him. Light heavyweight he was 22-0 (22 KOs; 7 1st Rounders). When he fought heavyweight 4 months later, his first 3 fights he weighed around 214. Then after a temporary break of 4 months he entered the ring 231lbs, and everyone screamed "steroids". He looked fat, yet less than a year before he was 56lbs lighter and was ripped muscle. Even as a heavyweight for his size he packed a punch. Imagine him with that power fighting opponents that were natural 185lbs, where he was natural walking weight over 200lbs. The catch was he had to KO opponents and early cause his fatigued set in quickly.
    I doubt it was strategy for Ortiz to weigh that much as it created no positive advantages. Mayweather (assuming he fights Manny soon) will be ultra cautious only because Manny is the one opponent with quick hands, and can throw them at any angle, and even his arm punches cause flash knockdowns. Floyd is great at anticipating opponents, but Manny is unpredictable in the sense he mixes up and does small things and it causes many fighters problems and they have to re-adjust by backing out and resetting themselves for another engagement. I think Manny (assuming he lost) it would be by decision or possibly if Mayweather can connect several punches in the same area, it can cause swelling or cuts and the fight would be stopped (similar to Marquez as Manny went toe-to-toe and Marquez's face wasn't great, but Manny looked damaged after both fights).

    My final thought is what I've said for almost 6 years. That these two will never fight! I assumed this even though Floyd in 2005 jumped up from 135lbs,140lbs then 147lbs at a true welterweight. While Manny fought 130lbs until 2008, fought Diaz at 135lbs and then Oscar at 147lbs. While people again said steroids, consider the fact that fighters with great power in lower weight usually have the genetics to build muscle and carry power upwards. Manny for a little guy had such large calves (the hardest muscle for bodybuilders to increase the size) which indicates a very muscular genetic structure. Tyson had tree trunks for legs. The point was taking into account a fighter's frame and his natural genetics (like large calves) indicates a person who can add muscular weight easily. Although it doesn't guarantee they will punch harder, or maintain speed and stamina as before. Floyd's increase in weight from under 130lbs was more a slow process as he aged and his muscles matured (like Hopkins) and fighting at welterweight. Manny started at 106 and moved up quickly, but he always had the ability to gain weight easily and his power indicated such. They both started careers in the mid 1990s, and Manny is also 2 years younger. I think Floyd is waiting to see a Manny fight that shows Manny has lost speed then maybe Floyd will seize the opportunity. Otherwise, it's a dream to believe they will fight. Year after year you read posts, how this or that will happen, then they will fight by years end... but it never happens!

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerseyboy89:

    Mayweather was hurting and walking down Ortiz who was 165 fight night.  You think he can KO/TKO Manny you're crazy.  Manny will be beating right hands all night long and Mayweather has the size and reach advantage.  I don't think Manny will be able to eat those punches for 12.  

    Jerseyboy89: I think you may have made a few typo errors, so I will correct them before it confuses members. Correct me if I'm wrong in my re-creation, as you know better what you meant as you wrote it:
    "think he can KO/TKO Manny" switch (can = can't)
    "Manny will be beating right hands" switch (beating = eating)
    Now I think readers will not get lost easily, as we often do (lol)

    Anyhow, Ortiz being 165lbs was a sign of early fatigue, reduced speed, less activity and overall weakness not being able to maintain a weight. The weight gain had no advantages. Fighters do it for many reasons. Michael Moorer when he had fought light heavyweight (175lbs), basically killed himself to make weight. The reasons for so many early KOs is that he was a natural heavyweight and was superior in strength and punching power, but he had to win fast as the weight fluctuations really fatigued him. Light heavyweight he was 22-0 (22 KOs; 7 1st Rounders). When he fought heavyweight 4 months later, his first 3 fights he weighed around 214. Then after a temporary break of 4 months he entered the ring 231lbs, and everyone screamed "steroids". He looked fat, yet less than a year before he was 56lbs lighter and was ripped muscle. Even as a heavyweight for his size he packed a punch. Imagine him with that power fighting opponents that were natural 185lbs, where he was natural walking weight over 200lbs. The catch was he had to KO opponents and early cause his fatigued set in quickly.
    I doubt it was strategy for Ortiz to weigh that much as it created no positive advantages. Mayweather (assuming he fights Manny soon) will be ultra cautious only because Manny is the one opponent with quick hands, and can throw them at any angle, and even his arm punches cause flash knockdowns. Floyd is great at anticipating opponents, but Manny is unpredictable in the sense he mixes up and does small things and it causes many fighters problems and they have to re-adjust by backing out and resetting themselves for another engagement. I think Manny (assuming he lost) it would be by decision or possibly if Mayweather can connect several punches in the same area, it can cause swelling or cuts and the fight would be stopped (similar to Marquez as Manny went toe-to-toe and Marquez's face wasn't great, but Manny looked damaged after both fights).

    My final thought is what I've said for almost 6 years. That these two will never fight! I assumed this even though Floyd in 2005 jumped up from 135lbs,140lbs then 147lbs at a true welterweight. While Manny fought 130lbs until 2008, fought Diaz at 135lbs and then Oscar at 147lbs. While people again said steroids, consider the fact that fighters with great power in lower weight usually have the genetics to build muscle and carry power upwards. Manny for a little guy had such large calves (the hardest muscle for bodybuilders to increase the size) which indicates a very muscular genetic structure. Tyson had tree trunks for legs. The point was taking into account a fighter's frame and his natural genetics (like large calves) indicates a person who can add muscular weight easily. Although it doesn't guarantee they will punch harder, or maintain speed and stamina as before. Floyd's increase in weight from under 130lbs was more a slow process as he aged and his muscles matured (like Hopkins) and fighting at welterweight. Manny started at 106 and moved up quickly, but he always had the ability to gain weight easily and his power indicated such. They both started careers in the mid 1990s, and Manny is also 2 years younger. I think Floyd is waiting to see a Manny fight that shows Manny has lost speed then maybe Floyd will seize the opportunity. Otherwise, it's a dream to believe they will fight. Year after year you read posts, how this or that will happen, then they will fight by years end... but it never happens!

     
    thesoulpurpose
    thesoulpurpose
    Veteran
    Participation Meter
    Joined: Sep, 2010
    Posts: 1128
    Posted: Oct. 4, 2011 - 7:56 PM ET #4

    floyd has slowed down quite a bit over the last few years, no doubt about it, manny will have the speed advantage in this one, as well as being a much better combination puncher,   but floyd is much stronger, much smarter, much better defensively,  floyd will win this fight, I do not beleive that it will be that close either, as I have stated many times before,    but the title of this thread is who is the king?  to me it's NONITO DONAIRE,  donaire just might be the best counterpuncher that I have ever seen in my life and that includes salvador sanchez and roy jones, he has good power, good speed and has showed a solid chin as well,   p4p if donaire was the same size as floyd and manny at this point I think that he would beat both of them.  so who is the king? NONITO DONAIRE
    Reply
    floyd has slowed down quite a bit over the last few years, no doubt about it, manny will have the speed advantage in this one, as well as being a much better combination puncher,   but floyd is much stronger, much smarter, much better defensively,  floyd will win this fight, I do not beleive that it will be that close either, as I have stated many times before,    but the title of this thread is who is the king?  to me it's NONITO DONAIRE,  donaire just might be the best counterpuncher that I have ever seen in my life and that includes salvador sanchez and roy jones, he has good power, good speed and has showed a solid chin as well,   p4p if donaire was the same size as floyd and manny at this point I think that he would beat both of them.  so who is the king? NONITO DONAIRE
     
     
    ZOUK
    ZOUK
    Veteran
    Participation Meter
    Joined: May, 2011
    Posts: 1121
    Posted: Oct. 4, 2011 - 9:29 PM ET #5

    The last nine opponents of Donaire had a record of 240-15-7. Basically since 2007 the last nine of his opponents had a 91% win percentage, and excluding draws a 94% win percentage. He has knocked out all but one of his last nine (Rafael Concepcion), and the fighter he didn't KO was 119.5lbs, which is the heaviest opponent he has ever fought (two fights prior Concepcion weighed 127lbs). I believe adding Victor Conte has helped him significantly in strength and stamina.
    Reply
    The last nine opponents of Donaire had a record of 240-15-7. Basically since 2007 the last nine of his opponents had a 91% win percentage, and excluding draws a 94% win percentage. He has knocked out all but one of his last nine (Rafael Concepcion), and the fighter he didn't KO was 119.5lbs, which is the heaviest opponent he has ever fought (two fights prior Concepcion weighed 127lbs). I believe adding Victor Conte has helped him significantly in strength and stamina.
    All Forums | Boxing

    Hot Forums IconHot Forum Topics

    • Claiming Prizes 57,786
    • Serious Streak Survivor Strategies 1,918,498
    • Commanders vs Niners in-game live MNF 2,758
    • Tuesday 10/20/2026 774
    • Congrats to ltdsks - 20 wins in a row! 5,058
    • PART DEUX 165
    • NFL THREAD * 151 * 26,041
    • the whole problem is knowingly spreading false info to vulnerable people 22,987
    • Public Indicator Calculations 2026 23,198
    • Monday Night Covers Bloodbath Brewing 2,463

    Warning - External Link

    Report User

    Thank you for reporting
    This content is abusive or harmful
    This post is spam
    An error has occurred
    This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.

    Delete Post

    Are you sure you would like to remove this post?

    Remove Thread

    Are you sure you would like to remove this thread?

    Scan Results

    Login/Register

    Happy to have you join the conversation. To do so, please login or create an account.
    Accounts are free and easy to create.

    Search


    Loading…

    Loading…

    About Us
    Contact Us
    Careers
    Our Team
    Brand
    Testimonials
    Betting Guides
    Sportsbook Reviews
    Betting News
    Podcasts
    Responsible Gambling
    Betting Sites
    US Betting Sites
    Canada Betting Sites
    Canada Casinos
    Best Betting Apps
    Contests
    Streak Survivor
    King of Covers
    Ultimate Race
    Office Pools
    The Covers community has
    810,221
    lifetime members worldwide
    Join our community today
    Covers 30 Years Logo Established in 1995,
    Covers is the world
    leader in sports
    betting information.
    21+
    Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER
    Help Privacy Privacy Choices Terms of Service Cookies Sitemap Forum
    YouTube logo
    Facebook logo
    Twitter logo
    Instagram logo
    LinkedIn logo
    Google News logo
    Covers is verified safe by:
    Evalon Logo Logo GPWA Logo GDPR logo Logo GeoTrust logo Logo
    Covers Logo
    Copyright © 1995 - 2026 Genius Sports. All Rights Reserved.
    If you choose to make use of any information on this website including online sports betting services from any websites that may be featured on this website, we strongly recommend that you carefully check your local laws before doing so.It is your sole responsibility to understand your local laws and observe them strictly.Covers does not provide any advice or guidance as to the legality of online sports betting or other online gambling activities within your jurisdiction and you are responsible for complying with laws that are applicable to you in your relevant locality.Covers disclaims all liability associated with your use of this website and use of any information contained on it.As a condition of using this website, you agree to hold the owner of this website harmless from any claims arising from your use of any services on any third party website that may be featured by Covers.