Posted:
#1
Was Oscar's shoulder hurt?
That was not the regular Golden boy in there.
What was up with Oscar?
...
Views: 410
Posts: 20
Posted:
#3
Quote Originally Posted by djspinoy:
he ran into the greatest p4p fighter in the wrld, thatswhat happened..too much speed and pac busted him up
he ran into the greatest p4p fighter in the wrld, thatswhat happened..too much speed and pac busted him up
That, along with the fact that tonight was the night where father time showed it's ugly face. Wish it would have come on another night, but that's the way it goes. As much as I was pissed for losing a couple hundo on the fight result because of my sides that depended on his hand being raised, I can't help but feel bad for any fighter when his body can't react as quickly to what his mind is telling it to do. Tonight was one of those instances. I wasn't even alive when it happened, but Holmes-Ali is a perfect example of just this.
Posted:
#5
Oscars inability to throw a decent number of punches has to be attributed to weight drain.
Versus Floyd, at 155lbs, Oscar was fading during the second half, and now, 10 lbs smaller, it would be dumb to think he wasn't weightdrained.
The last time I lost this much money was backing Mosley to top Cotto, which he COULD have if the wanted it.
I must beat myself so this never happens again.
Damn, I'm still missing that lost money... *Sniff*
Posted:
#6
Quote Originally Posted by Coweringbeef:
Oscars inability to throw a decent number of punches has to be attributed to weight drain.
Versus Floyd, at 155lbs, Oscar was fading during the second half, and now, 10 lbs smaller, it would be dumb to think he wasn't weightdrained.
The last time I lost this much money was backing Mosley to top Cotto, which he COULD have if the wanted it.
I must beat myself so this never happens again.
Damn, I'm still missing that lost money... *Sniff*
Yeah, the first time I really doubted my play was when I think that I heard pre-fight that Oscar had weighed in at 147 in the locker room weigh-in. I'm not sure because it was hard to hear over the noise in the room, but that seemed very weird to me that he only had re-hydrated two freaking pounds. I chalked it up at the time to maybe an attempt for HBO to make it look like both were within a pound of each other at fight time in order to make it look like the rumors I saw last night about the scale being off at the weigh in was completely false, but I don't know. If I did hear the 147 call correctly by the crew then that sounds to me as if Oscar's body just wasn't right and he may have not only shown the effects of father time tonight, but also that he over trained to get down to the welterweight limit.
Posted:
#8
Just curious. I didn't have money on either fighter the other night but I'm noticing all the excuses or explanations are more about Oscar being wieght drained and old. But nothing about how Manny was literally lightning fast and dominant. Sure i can understand Oscar being "old" but so was Bernard Hopkins fightin at fuckin 42 years old and he kicked ass.
Looked to me like Manny used Oscars face as a speedbag.
Posted:
#9
Quote Originally Posted by 3peet:
Just curious. I didn't have money on either fighter the other night but I'm noticing all the excuses or explanations are more about Oscar being wieght drained and old. But nothing about how Manny was literally lightning fast and dominant. Sure i can understand Oscar being "old" but so was Bernard Hopkins fightin at fuckin 42 years old and he kicked ass.
Looked to me like Manny used Oscars face as a speedbag.
True! True!!
Posted:
#10
Quote Originally Posted by Fullbrights:
Yeah, the first time I really doubted my play was when I think that I heard pre-fight that Oscar had weighed in at 147 in the locker room weigh-in. I'm not sure because it was hard to hear over the noise in the room, but that seemed very weird to me that he only had re-hydrated two freaking pounds. I chalked it up at the time to maybe an attempt for HBO to make it look like both were within a pound of each other at fight time in order to make it look like the rumors I saw last night about the scale being off at the weigh in was completely false, but I don't know. If I did hear the 147 call correctly by the crew then that sounds to me as if Oscar's body just wasn't right and he may have not only shown the effects of father time tonight, but also that he over trained to get down to the welterweight limit.
Yeah, the first time I really doubted my play was when I think that I heard pre-fight that Oscar had weighed in at 147 in the locker room weigh-in. I'm not sure because it was hard to hear over the noise in the room, but that seemed very weird to me that he only had re-hydrated two freaking pounds. I chalked it up at the time to maybe an attempt for HBO to make it look like both were within a pound of each other at fight time in order to make it look like the rumors I saw last night about the scale being off at the weigh in was completely false, but I don't know. If I did hear the 147 call correctly by the crew then that sounds to me as if Oscar's body just wasn't right and he may have not only shown the effects of father time tonight, but also that he over trained to get down to the welterweight limit.
If you noticed Oscars stomache wasnt ripped like it is when he's in top condition. Think about it......Dropping that much weight his abbs should have been shredded! He had to drop muscle to make that weight....and lots of it. I mean who in the hell is 5-10 and 145 lbs? He's to old to be mass shedding.....His trainers should have known this.With that said Manny looked like lightning in a bottle.... Handed Oscar a serious beat down. Would that have happened to a healthy Oscar.....IDK but if you think about it Oscar HAD only really lost 1 fight in his career(b-hop) every single loss on his record could and most shoud have gone his way. I personally felt he beat Pretty Boy just a short while back....Would Manny handle Floyd? ...I dont think so. So to me its obvious this was a training and weight(muscle) cutting result. He was bone dry pre fight always a bad sign.
Posted:
#13
Yeah Sturm got jobbed......But im talking about actual Losses on his record. I mean who besides Hopkins would you say "handled" Oscar? Sugar Shane? Oscar won both of those even with Shane admitedly on roids. Trinidad? The decision was outragous! My point is besides Hop all of his losses are debatable. I'm not a big Oscar fan in the least.....I just truly believe his performance was a training issue,,,,That man was drained. He barely sweated during the ass beating.
Posted:
#15
Quote Originally Posted by TIMBER9:
If you noticed Oscars stomache wasnt ripped like it is when he's in top condition. Think about it......Dropping that much weight his abbs should have been shredded! He had to drop muscle to make that weight....and lots of it. I mean who in the hell is 5-10 and 145 lbs? He's to old to be mass shedding.....His trainers should have known this.With that said Manny looked like lightning in a bottle.... Handed Oscar a serious beat down. Would that have happened to a healthy Oscar.....IDK but if you think about it Oscar HAD only really lost 1 fight in his career(b-hop) every single loss on his record could and most shoud have gone his way. I personally felt he beat Pretty Boy just a short while back....Would Manny handle Floyd? ...I dont think so. So to me its obvious this was a training and weight(muscle) cutting result. He was bone dry pre fight always a bad sign.
Posted:
#17
I think it was a combination of the weight situation with Oscar and Manny being the p4p king. Oscar clearly overtrained and left everything in Big Bear. Nacho clearly should be blamed for overtraining his fighter. Theres no reason why Oscar should have been at 147 a week before the fight. And then theres no reason he should have weighed in at 145 and hydrated to 147. He should have come into the fight in the high 150's as most expected he would but because of the overtraining he couldn't. He was weak and in terribly burnt out from training.
It didnt' help that pac gave him a ton of angles, moved well, and never stood still giving de la hoya problems.
Posted:
#18
Quote Originally Posted by Fullbrights:
That, along with the fact that tonight was the night where father time showed it's ugly face. Wish it would have come on another night, but that's the way it goes. As much as I was pissed for losing a couple hundo on the fight result because of my sides that depended on his hand being raised, I can't help but feel bad for any fighter when his body can't react as quickly to what his mind is telling it to do. Tonight was one of those instances. I wasn't even alive when it happened, but Holmes-Ali is a perfect example of just this.
That, along with the fact that tonight was the night where father time showed it's ugly face. Wish it would have come on another night, but that's the way it goes. As much as I was pissed for losing a couple hundo on the fight result because of my sides that depended on his hand being raised, I can't help but feel bad for any fighter when his body can't react as quickly to what his mind is telling it to do. Tonight was one of those instances. I wasn't even alive when it happened, but Holmes-Ali is a perfect example of just this.
I dont think it's father time at all. he was overtrained for this fight. And I disagree with many that he should bounce out boxing. Hopefully oscar realizes the stupidity in his training regiment and weight situation and gets back on the horse because imo he has alot left.
Posted:
#19
Quote Originally Posted by Smokeythebear:
I think it was a combination of the weight situation with Oscar and Manny being the p4p king. Oscar clearly overtrained and left everything in Big Bear. Nacho clearly should be blamed for overtraining his fighter. Theres no reason why Oscar should have been at 147 a week before the fight. And then theres no reason he should have weighed in at 145 and hydrated to 147. He should have come into the fight in the high 150's as most expected he would but because of the overtraining he couldn't. He was weak and in terribly burnt out from training.
It didnt' help that pac gave him a ton of angles, moved well, and never stood still giving de la hoya problems.
Pretty much the way i saw it. Oscar didnt have enough fluids in him to break a sweat. His muscle tone is evidence. If anybody has access, go back and look at O's eyes pre-fight. That man was fried! To use a first time trainer, that is not familiar with his fighters body and metabolism before you drop that much weight.....is insane!
Posted:
#20
Quote Originally Posted by TIMBER9:
If anybody has access, go back and look at O's eyes pre-fight. That man was fried! To use a first time trainer, that is not familiar with his fighters body and metabolism before you drop that much weight.....is insane!
Agreed both on counts, he looked really bad entering the ring...and nacho is use to training the marquez brothers two small well oiled machines who are always in great shape and don't have the weight situation to deal with..
A telling sign to me in the 24/7 was when angelo said something to the effect of I hope Oscar doesn't leave everything in big bear. I think he could tell they were overtraining and the weight situation could be a disaster.
Hot Forum Topics
